This is fucking stupid, no one cares you got your feelings hurt, go cut your wrists somewhere else. - Balto
Alright shunew first your your gonna stop bitching then go to your fucking room and start brainstorming ways to become less of a shunew cause you sound like the biggest fucking shunew iv ever met. - LevelFour
i always keep up to date on the latest rumours and stuff, not because i want to buy it, i just like to know where gear is headed and what new stuff is coming out. that way i don't fuck up and buy the wrong product when it comes time to upgrade or expand my kit.
I don't see why everyone wants this? I would much rather see a fix for moire and a new codec. Higher asa performance would be good too, bump the lower end cameras up to useable 1250 asa and even greater for the higher end cameras.
fixing moire isn't just a snap of the finger fix, but 1080p60 is, as is a new codec, but that wont happen in any dslr. 1080p vs 720p is a big difference IMO, some people think its pointless but im putting 720 in my rear view, 1080 all day.
About that...it kind of is. Companies install anti-aliasing software into their cameras. Panasonic is more heavy handed with it, whereas Sony uses it more sparingly. That's why Panasonics have a softer look than the Sonys, and also have less moiré problems. It's a tradeoff really.
If they can make an APS-C DSLR with even FS100 amounts of moiré, I'd be happy.
haha you guys all expect so much out of new releases. 1080p60p won't even be available in the C300 at 20K, you think they will just casually make that resolution/frame rate available in a $1,000 or whatever it could be T4i body? not going to happen. Canon is incredibly focused on maintaining their price-points so they can release very simliar products with minor feature differential and charge more. sorry to crush the dream
while this is true, canon sometimes, SOMETIMES, implements new tech into more amateur bodies, perfects it, and then releases it in the professional stuff. Could be the case with the t4i...
And my bet is that its released at NAB (like the new 4k cinema dslr) and has 1080 60p. Little is known about it which leads me to believe there is something big planned for it. (I'm 90% sure this is not true, but a boy can dream... :)
can you explain a bit? Not disagreeing, just want to hear your thoughts on it, I'm still pretty new to DSLRs.
that said, the only reason I'd really want 1080-60p is for mostly skiing and being able to edit in a 720 timeline and have the flexibility to bump in if I wanted to without loosing as much quality. For the time being I'm more than happy with my t2i and plan on keeping it for a long time!
The main thing holding back DSLRs is the moiré, and no other feature will improve the IQ unless they address this issue. Canon claims to have fixed it in the 5DIII, but since they haven't been releasing very much footage (or highly compressed footage), and knowing their track record, something tells me it's BS.
The hype over 1080p60 is just people on the internet gawking at numbers, as per usual. 90% of DSLR users are outputting to web, and if you think there is a visible difference between 720p and 1080p DSLR footage displayed on the web, you're delusional. Bearing in mind Canon's line-skipping compression, the difference between 720p and 1080p is the difference between whether it skips 1 or 2 lines at a time; it's trivial. The in terms of actual detail, 1080p has no advantages over 720p. The main difference is that 1080p has less moiré due to it using less line skipping (though moiré is still an issue), and it's bigger. That's it.
So basically, adding 1080p60 will give you the same image in a larger frame. To think this is somehow an improvement is to say that bigger is better with complete disregard to quality. I'd rather shoot 720p with a solid codec over 1080p with a shit codec. Fix the compression, and you have a completely new camera.
If you want to mix 720p with 1080p, scale the 720p up to 1080p during transcoding. It looks exactly the same.
I know what you're saying here landis and I agree. With the fs100, these problems have been solved so the 1080p60 is definitely an advantage IMO.
With the resolution that the fs100 has (1000+ lines compared to the 700-800 lines of a dslr) the 1080p definitely looks better than the 720p. I DEFINITELY notice the difference between 720 and 1080 on vimeo. If i upload a 1080 video and then dont choose to display the 1080 version and full screen on my 1080 screen, it looks good. But, if i then switch it to the 1080 version and do the same, I definitely notice a difference, only at full screen though.
AVCHD is definitely a better codec than the canon h264, but its still no dvcprohd.
Very true. For actual video cameras, it can make a difference. With DSLRs it doesn't matter what size they give you, it's still 540 lines of sensor resolution either way. If they release a new DSLR that's the same only with 4K, it will actually be 2K, and it will still have horrible moiré. The only way to get rid of moiré would be to completely redesign its compression system. This is the exact reason why I switched to the GH2: because it has twice the resolution of any Canon DSLR.