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.RYAN66
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people need to learn how to ski before they become "jibber kids"

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inb4 hate
Feb 6 2012 7:52PM
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saxon
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OP is right. learning to ski fundamentally well, makes park so much easier. sure, some kid might be money on rails, but all told, thats doesn't do a lot for basic skiing skills. If you take these classic "rail rats" and drops them on the top of a real mountain, its almost funny watching them ski down.

don't take this the wrong way, I'm not saying everyone who does rails can't ski for shit, not at all. i'm just saying that kids who think that basic skiing is unrelated to park skiing; need to open their eyes. it's so important for jumps, as previously stated.
Feb 9 2012 1:16PM
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Lemuel
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Thomas what do you think about this?

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Feb 9 2012 1:20PM
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Parrish
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and in my defense I never claimed to be good. My overall stance is absolutely horrendous in most peoples opinion, but when I'm riding down a groomer when it hasn't snowed in a few weeks, and I don't do all that much park, I relax a bit, I Slowed down a bit for the guy with a camera,because in reality I wanted a picture to send back to my mom of me skiing. As embarrassing that is to say and that I will probably get chewed out for. I'm mainly a self taught shredder that is just trying to improve like everybody else.

People sterotype when it comes to skiing, they see a kid with baggy clothes and his goggles under his helmet and they automatically assume you're a hardcore park rat, then they see you ski park and they dismiss you off as a gaper. I love watching park, I love hanging out and knowing about things in the community. The majority of my friends are dirty park rats. But for the 100th time I do not consider myself one. I would rather ski some new snow through some rough trees and bushes then hit boxes and jumps and rails all day.

Talk to many that have skied with me, or come here and ski with me once, I won't outski you probably but I also won't be one of those kids that can't get around anywhere.

Hate all you want, but it's my style and I'm fine with skiing the way I ski.
Feb 9 2012 1:24PM
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Mike-O
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So you're the fellow in the OP?
Feb 9 2012 1:26PM
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Parrish
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No the kid in the saga riding the rorys
Feb 9 2012 1:28PM
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blindside
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NS at its finest.
Feb 9 2012 2:05PM
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.RYAN66
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Do you think the kid in the op even knows what powder is?
Feb 9 2012 2:16PM
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Mike-O
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How the fuck would I know?
Feb 9 2012 2:18PM
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PON3
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THIS!!! When I was at beaver creek and I was skiing the larkspur bowl after 9 inches of snow, it was so much fun! but it was funny that I saw a rail rat trying to ski down the bowl it was pretty funny.

Also they dont have any edges to use on all mountain terrain lol
Feb 9 2012 2:26PM
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scratchskier321
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lol dude that kid is just leaning back 4 fun
Feb 9 2012 2:27PM
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Kevski
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So much pretentious douchery in this thread. Cool, you have a formal skiing background and can ski better than a bunch of kids who are just really stoked on park and never had formal training. I can totally picture you guys on the lift criticizing other people's stance and form on the mountain like "uh oh, tsk tsk that guy is wayyyy backseat, someone should teach him how to have proper form so he can ski well like me." If they asked for advice, that's a different story. But likely they don't care that their form isn't perfect, so why should any of you?
Feb 9 2012 2:32PM
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Balto
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phill is black, he can do what ever he wants, the fact that he is on snow in the first place is good enough for me
Feb 9 2012 2:35PM
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Mike-O
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QFE once again.
Feb 9 2012 2:39PM
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jdubbs.
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Look guys. Heres the point. Ruffles is saying that it is harder to pull a cork 7 than it is to make some turns down hill. Now in some cases this is true. On the other hand, however, it is completely false. Being able to ski the back country, drop into some chutes, take a cliff, and wrap it up with some glades followed by carving the groomers requires much more skill that the majority of park skiers have. Yes, there are plenty of great park skiers but The really great ones will be able to ski the whole mountain. I agree when you say let them ski how they want, just as long as they stay in the park then, because I dont want to have to worry about them. The foundation is important.
Feb 9 2012 3:03PM
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casual
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This.

All I hear is a bunch of kids who have been skiing for 10+ years sounding jealous that kids who aren't nearly as experienced are tossing shit they themselves are too scared to try in the park.

It's clear and indisputable that having skiing fundamentals and an understanding of how edging works will make a big difference in progressing in park skiing, but this idea that people "should" or "have to" be a good all around skier to even ENTER the park is fucking stupid.

I started skiing in 88-89, on straight skis at a time when park skiing didn't exist. A good skier was someone who locked their knees and boots together and made wiggle turns around imaginary bumps. Kids who have started skiing in the last 5-10 instead aspire to be park skiers, it's really that simple. If park skiing, or even snowboarding is what ultimately inspires a kid to slide around on snow, he's probably not going to spend a ton of time and effort perfecting turns on groomers....and that's fine.

I don't understand why this bugs anyone. The only possible reason that I can come up with as to why this is so troubling to you guys is because you must be envious that you've spent all of this time "skiing the right way" only to have kids who can barely make "proper turns" own your ass in the park. I wonder how many of you so bugged are even willing to take an honest look at why. The truth is that all you "all-mountain phenoms" should be grateful that you're not competing with these park rat kids for snow and terrain.


Feb 9 2012 3:04PM
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Taubie05
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This.  When I'm on the groomers I couldn't care less what my form is.  The only time form really matters is when you're skiing a big line in the outback, and that's only so you don't die.

Feb 9 2012 3:16PM
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.jon
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i must admit that i take pride in getting asked if i'm a racer. i say no, and then they usually ask if i grew up in the mountains. nope... just a park skier from MN that knows how to make a turn.
Feb 9 2012 3:31PM
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SKI.ING
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This thread just got blown to pieces. Thats about all there is to say on this subject.
Feb 9 2012 3:46PM
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Blindsurfer
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normally i agree with you and you deliver laughs, but ure just being a dick right now dude
Feb 9 2012 4:53PM
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S_Jenk
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Yeah that's andrew all right. Pretty much how he skis too,
Feb 9 2012 5:09PM
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Parrish
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thanks jenks
Feb 9 2012 5:25PM
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-emile-
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yeh thats mike hornbeck
Feb 9 2012 5:33PM
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CHARLES.BRONSON
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stance comes down to human kinetics. everyone that can actually ski and land big tricks isn't skiing backseat(harlaut, tanner, wallisch, sammy etc).

Look at tanners body position in that photo, he's coming off a big drop thats why hes so hunched, yet hes forward bent at hips and not leaning back on his knees. if the kid in the pic below landed anything remotely as harsh in that position he'd blow his knees.
Feb 9 2012 5:40PM
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Mike-O
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You've been here long enough, you know exactly what I mean with this comparison. Hall was gorilla steezing all day errday that time, now we have kids wanting to look like their push style is laid back. Back and forth, back and forth.

And overall, we are arguing about a single screenshot here! I want to see more videos/photos of the skier in the OP.
Feb 9 2012 5:45PM
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SirFryanator
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Feb 9 2012 6:01PM
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CHARLES.BRONSON
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Yeah I agree, I really quoted that just to compare the two photos and to make a seperate point about how the body functions skiing. The gorilla stance trend was alot more functional than the backseat grom stance everyones repping now.
Feb 9 2012 6:05PM
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Mike-O
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I agree completely, but I can honestly say I've never actually seen any ski more than... 10 meters with such a backseat stance. Hence why I still think that pose is just ofr the camera being "ey yo ey yo we up in dis biatch skiin da word namm sayiiin" and all that wannabe thugh attitude coersing through.

And my stance is gorilla haha, no getting rid of it any more, in the spine.
Feb 9 2012 6:09PM
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3mania
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Please God keep skiing all back seat, don't turn too much, and def don't figure out how to pole plant correctly, I need my reign as the best GODDAMN skier on the mountain to continue for a few more years.
Feb 9 2012 6:13PM
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Mike-O
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Never pole planted in my life.
Feb 9 2012 6:14PM
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Puzzled
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Amen.
Feb 9 2012 6:15PM
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FerrisBueller
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this hahah


but people need to learn to ski before they go into the park, ive been skiing since age 1 and took lessons from 2-10 then i taught myself.
Feb 9 2012 6:17PM
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Mike-O
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Bullshit once again.

Take skateboarding for example, should you learn to cruise around town perfectly before trying to Ollie? No, Ollieing is the first thing you do, then you cruise around and adapt.
Feb 9 2012 6:19PM
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Amadeus.
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Yeah seriously. The kid is obviously trying to looks steely while he rides by the camera. Would anyone even be able to ski like that for more than 20 minutes?
Feb 9 2012 6:23PM
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Bogs
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well the point was that park skiing isn't actually easier than rest of the mountain skiing so i used the pro racer vs. pro park skier thing as an example of that, my bad that it wasn't clear though
Feb 9 2012 6:55PM
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PlaygroundRapist
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Thats how I roll on the mountains, lean back bro.
Feb 9 2012 7:01PM
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rareison
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That's Mike Hornbeck, just letting you know
Feb 9 2012 7:09PM
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rareison
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this.








and to op:

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Feb 9 2012 7:15PM
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skitheWest.
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Feb 9 2012 7:18PM
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Powderhauser
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another thing somewhat related, is kids who don't use there poles whatsoever, only having them for show. if you don't wann use your poles, go without.
Feb 9 2012 7:36PM
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hollygrove
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I regret ever participating in this thread.

Both sides of this argument are fucking stupid. No one should ever tell anyone how to ski, of course, yet it is obvious that one's park skiing will without a doubt benefit from having the proper skiing technique.

Now everyone shut up.
Feb 9 2012 8:02PM
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a_pla5tic_bag
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this and carving is easy. especially if you learned to ski in NJ. carve on ice all the time, even with dull edged park skis.
Feb 9 2012 8:06PM
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Gods_Father
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wtf u must be shitty at skiing
Feb 9 2012 8:20PM
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jdubbs.
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preach
Feb 9 2012 8:56PM
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The_Infamous_NJ
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haha andrew
Feb 9 2012 11:46PM
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The_Infamous_NJ
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Andrew doesn't give a fuck, he just skis. Doesn't matter what you wear.
Feb 9 2012 11:52PM
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Lolocaust.
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Couldn't agree more.
Feb 10 2012 1:58AM
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c4t_l0ver
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that "kid" is mike hornbeck.
Feb 10 2012 2:11AM
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Lolocaust.
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Uhm, I disagree.
Feb 10 2012 2:14AM
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.AR6rider.
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Pretty sure the "kid" he was referencing was the one in the OP. Reading comprehension FTW.
Feb 10 2012 2:15AM
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Casual.
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good lord. i am super late to this thread but i am still going to throw my two cents in. fun skiing = good skiing. the first year i started skiing i remember being told "you're doing it wrong" and then the person explained what was wrong with my skiing. this is such idiotic thinking. there is no such thing as wrong when it comes to having fun on the mountain. just because someone is skiing in a certain fashion does not mean that they cannot ski the way you think is "right", it most likely just means that they choose to ski a different way. go have fun and stop bitching at each other.
Feb 10 2012 3:33AM
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