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ruff_ruff
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Big air jump is weak. Not going high whatsoever
Jan 27 2012 11:07PM
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theabortionator
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A longer landing wouldnt hurt either. At least on the current jump. They're going to be sending it to flats tonight.
Jan 28 2012 1:01PM
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ESB
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Show me a jump that can't be overshot, and then tell me at which big air competition in the past ten years at least one person hasn't gone too deep. Just sayin...
Jan 28 2012 1:04PM
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theabortionator
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Missing the point. A lot of the skiers are going to be landing way down that thing and a few will land at the bottom.



It's not about "a person could overshoot everything'. You're building a jump specifically for those people. I feel like if the triple party starts for the skiers, people are going to be landing at the end of that.

It's not like that jump is part of the slopestyle course as it was in some years.
Jan 28 2012 1:09PM
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Mr.Bishop
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Yeah but the mechanics of it is if you get more kick its like the landing being longer. More of your momentum goes into being higher vs. going further. Its exactly why aerials does it that way.

So you don't need much of a longer landing... shorter and steeper with a shit ton of kick and blammo you're good.


Jan 28 2012 1:10PM
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.Ian.
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A little while ago I posted something very similar in the X games thread too. About the trajectory of the jump looking off. Also the commentators want to hype up triples so much, yet no one will be able to throw them. So at least build a jump you can throw them off of. I also posted this picture:
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No, the paint illustration was not necessary but oh well.
Look at where he is starting his last flip rotation though. That's just insane.

If you just look at the jump something doesn't look right about it for flipping too:
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I don't know it just looks weird to me, maybe it's just me though. Haha
Jan 28 2012 1:12PM
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Mr.Bishop
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Seriously... I'm not even being a hater here. Look at the trajectory of these jumps. Imagine these people just grabbing and going slightly off-axis. It'd be fucking dope as shit.



I mean you'd probably have to kick it down a bit and have a slightly less steep landing to make switch easier... but this is the arc you're talking about when you want to start flipping multiple times.

Floaty long as fuck big air jumps are for spins and single corks.
Jan 28 2012 1:15PM
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theabortionator
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True. I just feel like they'd still fuck it up though. At least if the landings a little longer they'll have that. Also the fact that skiers and boarders are on it. But yeah, aerial sends them to a pretty consistent spot in the hill and it wouldn't matter if the landing was any longer.


This jump doesn't seem to send anyone to any specific spot.

Idk why i wrote a paragraph tosay yeah i agree
Jan 28 2012 1:16PM
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Mr.Bishop
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No man you're absolutely right. If you want triples, build a triples jump.


Jan 28 2012 1:16PM
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ski0
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Ya i think what ppl are saying is, THIS particular jump does need a longer landing if ppl want to throw a safe triple cork.

However you are completely right in saying that the ideal jump would be super poppy with a really steep landing
Jan 28 2012 1:19PM
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ESB
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This is true, and I definitely agree, it looks like that jump could use some more pop on it.
Jan 28 2012 1:19PM
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coloradosfinest
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What the hell is a jump?
Jan 28 2012 1:20PM
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fridgekidfez
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idk, if torstein can do a sick triple then why can't the others? the landing looks like it comes up pretty fast but its not impossible....
Jan 28 2012 1:21PM
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theabortionator
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To the people pointing out the rotation being close to when they land.

On all the triple videos I've seen the last inversion was right before the landing. That's just how it plays out.
Jan 28 2012 1:25PM
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TomSanderson
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Don't get me wrong, I'm all for style and maxing out tricks in original ways, but what's the problem with triples?! They're amazing and shouldn't be sneared at.
Jan 28 2012 1:26PM
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ESB
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Good point, it definitely does suck that the triple is going to be so hyped on a jump that's not optimal for it.
Jan 28 2012 1:28PM
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theabortionator
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cool story.
Jan 28 2012 1:29PM
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.Ian.
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Right, I mean it's going to be close to the landing, but in that picture that I posted he is almost starting his rotation over the sweet spot of the jump.



Yes, I know something like that could never be built for X, but look at where Sammy starts his last flip rotation ad compare it to that picture I posted.
I know it can obviously be done on the X Games big air jump now, but it seems sketchy to do so, for them hyping triples so much. Not that I want to see triples in the first place...
Jan 28 2012 1:29PM
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smallmtskier
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Triples are cool, but i'd like to see the style come back into the sport rather than just hucking. If some hucks a triple, but someone else puts crazy style into a dub i'd rather see the dub win. Triples are winning comps just because they are triples... not cause of how they look or anything
Jan 28 2012 1:31PM
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TotallyTrevor
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yeah i don't know what is weird about it, but I definitely noticed something watching snowboard big air last night....it looks like a launcher
Jan 28 2012 1:33PM
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TotallyTrevor
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yeah i don't know what is weird about it, but I definitely noticed something watching snowboard big air last night....it looks like a launcher
Jan 28 2012 1:33PM
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ski-unit13
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I think 2 years ago everyone was the same opinion that we don't want to become aerials and now we start talking that our jumps should become closer to aerial jumps...i don't think this is the right direction where we are leading this sport!

Let them do smooth spins, I always thought you like smooth stuff....

don't want to offend anyone with this post, just my 2 cents! and sorry for the bad english
Jan 28 2012 1:35PM
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theabortionator
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Well then our argument is the same.


It was sending to the bottom. Jump has a funky trajectory for big shit
Jan 28 2012 1:37PM
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Alex_G
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if snowboarders are doing trips, it can't be aerials
Jan 28 2012 1:37PM
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[J_Gasper]
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the jump i would like to see is the one at windells during SCI 2010. even the woman said it wasn't to big.
Jan 28 2012 1:38PM
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.Ian.
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Right yeah, sorry I didn't mean to argue against you. Like we were both saying earlier it definitely does have a funky trajectory.

Torstein's triple was perfect but I also think its funny where he had to set his first flip rotation too. Sorry you can't even see the picture really, but he's almost inverted right where I froze it, and he hasn't even left the take off yet.

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Here's the vid so you can see how low on the take off he sets it:


Oh well, me just rambling on about it on this site isn't going to do anything, so we'll just have to watch tonight and find out what goes down.
I would love to see some stylish dubs too rather than hucked triples. Just my opinion though.
If Henrik goes out and throws another blunt 1440, he will be my hero. Haha
Jan 28 2012 1:42PM
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danetudor
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Jump is big enough for skiers to triple.....
Jan 28 2012 1:43PM
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ski0
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haha !!! DANE you need to sign up for more Big Air events so you can get into X games next year and show us whats goood!!!
Jan 28 2012 1:48PM
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Crocodile
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You should sabotage x games and hit it, fuck tha police.
Jan 28 2012 1:49PM
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smallmtskier
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from the man himself...
Jan 28 2012 1:50PM
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apimpnamedslick
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oh well hai der
Jan 28 2012 1:51PM
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10...nuffsaid
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I think you misunderstand the sport of aerials. The reason the jump is so kicky is to get the athlete as high as possible. The landing is that steep because the arc the athlete take is an extremely high and narrow parabola. If you were to make the landing any shallower you would die or break every bone in your legs and dislocate your hips and arms. Jon already tried this idea out at the JOSS in 2008 (i think). It failed because no one could do anything off of it. The jump was too kicky. It sends you up, not out, so off axis either had people fighting the jump to go out or flat out pulling a three so they could say they did something. It was terrible. I agree that the jump has to be longer than it is at the X right now but floaty is by far better to get a trick around on. I personally find the aesthetics of a step up to much better. It looks like the guy is barely just touching the ground and going so slow when in fact he's hurtling over that thing. It looks sweet and makes for sweet camera angles. I'd love it if someone came over a bit short and pulled a hand drag at the top of the apex.
Jan 28 2012 1:57PM
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steezeeepolizeee
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I poached it last night and tripled it. 3 times
Jan 28 2012 2:09PM
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Spinoza
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WHO IS THIS KID?           did someone hack his account or is he actually this dumb in real life?
Jan 28 2012 2:11PM
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icon1234
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They should just higher Jon Olsson to make the jump in future years, that guy has that shit on lock.
Jan 28 2012 2:14PM
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Jeremybbush
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More spins and flips is just the way skiing is progressing, all sports progress in a similar way. You can't stop it, and you learn to appreciate it. I'm sure people will be throwing awesome steezy triples in the future, but that's the next level, and by then, while the jumps keep getting bigger, people are going to start throwing quads. It's just how action sports go, what we have now is never enough, and the future generations will always continue to push it, that's why we love these sports to begin with. Pushing the boundaries more and more, to see how far we can take our bodies is whats fun about it. Being as steezy as possible is just another portion of the sport, but you don't start skiing because you think you will look sooooo stylish throwing that perfect cork 9, you do it because its fun as hell, and the first time you pushed yourself past your boundary to actually throw that cork 9 was your form of progression. That feeling is why I love this sport.

tl;dr I'm in favor of triples and I think the jumps should be built to encourage them, its just the direction the sport is moving, and it's not a bad thing, it doesn't make any other part of the sport (style) irrelevant.
Jan 28 2012 2:18PM
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HumanGenius
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they said 80 feet but i think you can go really deep like 120
Jan 28 2012 2:23PM
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gnartogue
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he's this dumb in real life, check out this thread he made in New England regionals http://www.newschoolers.com/ns/forums/readthread/thread_id/673116/
Jan 28 2012 2:23PM
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gnartogue
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sorry i'm a retard and can't embed but if you copy and paste it should work
Jan 28 2012 2:24PM
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a.jamieson
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Looks like a fun jump. But yeah seems too floaty for triples.
Jan 28 2012 2:25PM
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a.jamieson
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Snake in a hit!
Jan 28 2012 2:30PM
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baaangthat
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more or less spot on...

remember 6 years ago? every big air was just a switch 10 competition. whomever's was biggest, cleanest, best grab etc...thats who won, but everyone did switch 10s...

then jon got the kangaroo...and for a couple years it was a kangaroo comp at every big air (except charles's sw 12 octo...classic)

then the dub 12s came along shortly after....

but honestly skiing has been doing a VERY good job of mixing tricks since dub 12s compared to the sw 10 days. now there are dub variations like switch dub misty or the huge dub 16 a couple years ago..that was the best big air comp ive ever seen...people seem to forget that wallisch didnt even make the finals despite doing a perfect and stylie switch rightside 14...skiing has been doing a phenomenal job of fighting stagnancy with trick progression over the past 3 years.


and honestly style mongers....this is the ESPN XGames, its for gapers to watch...people that know what they are watching are the minority...the network would be disappoint if people were "just trying to throw stylie switch 9's"
Jan 28 2012 2:31PM
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theabortionator
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Correct me if I'm wrong but didnt like 3 skiers learn dubs off that set of jumps?
Jan 28 2012 3:17PM
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icon1234
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I know henrik learned a fucking nasty sw dub something on it, shit was steezey.
Jan 28 2012 3:19PM
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theabortionator
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Also here's my pitch. Make more than one take off.
Jan 28 2012 3:20PM
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Puzzled
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I'm in the triple club now, I can joke around lookin' prooo
Jan 28 2012 3:32PM
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timmi
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To the people who are saying that they'd rather see a really clean double or whatever win, need to realize that this competition isn't for us. This competition is for the every day guy who doesn't understand skiing. My grandma watched some dew tour and couldn't for the life of her figure out why they grabbed their skis.

In the minds of people who don't know, more flips = better. They wouldn't understand why 2 flips could ever beat 3. And in the end, they are where the money is coming from, and they are who the producers should aim to please.

That said, yeah, that jump was a poor idea.
Jan 28 2012 3:35PM
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vauban08
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Appropriate size!
Jan 28 2012 3:36PM
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.Ian.
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I remember watching the first moni meloni session back in 8th grade, like 4 years ago. I used to love shaba cru, I would always show all of my friends and they all wanted to start skiing after haha.
That would be sick at X Games though. Again, If x games wants triples though (which I heard them reference in mens pipe about big air, they're already starting) I don't know if that would be the jump they would want either.
Honestly the only jumps I build are behind my house and are 3 feet tall. haha, so I can only talk from my opinion, just wanted to say that.
Jan 28 2012 3:42PM
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Broseph_Stalin
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idk about you guys but the true table setup is sick because its generall lower impact and you can make them huge. this ones an 80 but people have no problem taking it 110. think of it like the joi jumps the better ones were the true tables, not the step downs (which look super intimidating and huge. i also agree with bishops whole point of pop.
Jan 28 2012 4:20PM
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skifoo
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The jump itself looks great, but I feel like its not big enough. Horgmo REALLY hucked it. Lets wait for skiers big airr, buck yeah!
Jan 28 2012 4:32PM
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