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Ski Tech RANT!

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B.Lyfe
Posts: 624 - Karma: 116
I have to just vent, I've been a tech for 7+ years now, I ski park, big mountain and even snowboard. Why are some customers and/or skiers so retarded?

Example 1. Im adjusting boots for a kid. He hands me a size 11.5 ski boot. I ask him what his shoe size is and he says 9. His mother says "he'll grow into it". WTF really? 2.5 sizes in 1 season? not to mention his actual boot size is probably a 8 because his sneakers are already big for him. RETARD

example 2. I just had to adjust a 151 salomon threat for a 13 year old. He weighs 130lbs and has a soul of 307mm. He should be roughly a 4.5 at intermediate. He is marked as an intermediate skier on the paperwork too. What is his old Din setting? 10! he set his own din to 10.

Then these people try to argue with me that they know better and they need high dins. guess what lady your kid can get hit by a mac ~truck at 80mph and his ski isnt coming off. Is that how safe you want it?

This happens all the time, boots 3 sizes too big for kids, and park skiers that think they need an 12-16din binding when their markings as an expert are a 7.

GRAR! anger, hostility towards the opposition... AKA Stupid Skiers

Oct 27 2011 12:28PM
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Evilchris
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wat? Its ridiculous because my recomended DIN is an 8.5...
Nov 7 2011 8:12AM
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BskiP
Posts: 1369 - Karma: 223
If you know that then why bitch about it on ns? Crank the din up to what you want, shut up and ride!
Nov 7 2011 11:43AM
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B.Lyfe
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Nov 7 2011 11:46AM
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BskiP
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More like angry techs lashing out at dumb 14 year olds because we can't in real life. Sad but true
Nov 7 2011 11:59AM
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jblaski
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As someone who works at a busy ski shop in one of the busiest ski towns in the world....the ignorance in this thread is amazing. I don't need to repeat what has already been said, but 99% of the time, it's not the techs that are wrong.
Nov 7 2011 12:17PM
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CDdesign
Posts: 1015 - Karma: 92
i just wanna say I am way OCD, so it really bothers me and almost makes me have a panic attack if i were drill skis incorrectly(how do i know, learned years ago on my own skis). if you get your skis drilled at my shop, it will be done correctly. I usually break a sweat due to concentration over that last millimeter, to make sure both skis are done correctly.

-also most of you dont have to sit down to watch the stupid Tyrolia video EVERY DAMN YEAR!
so lay the fuck of the techs!
Nov 7 2011 2:33PM
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PON3
Posts: 3817 - Karma: 783
this.

and cant we just get back to the original point of the thread and just rant about your techy experiences and not fight about who is right or wrong?
Nov 7 2011 3:04PM
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skijunkiedtm
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I never trusted my dads binding adjustments and always let a tech look it over before I rode, usually with out him knowing haha.
Nov 7 2011 3:07PM
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Dayton22
Posts: 263 - Karma: 9
^hipster
Nov 7 2011 3:08PM
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frisch
Posts: 34 - Karma: 36
AGREED. I work in a ski shop too.FEEL YOUR PAIN!!!!!
Nov 7 2011 3:11PM
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onLINE
Posts: 1013 - Karma: 423
The din charts are made to protect the shop and the tech who installs them from being sued...Its a standard that all shops have to follow for that reason. Have you noticed every binding has a different chart. I feel every skier has a different din. not just oh your 5.5ft 160lbs avg skier so your a 6.5din (this is not an actual din equation)...unfortunatley its not that easy...some techs dont understand that either. sure for to the tech every one is a 6.5 but if one kid with those specs jibs harder then the other kid then yes one may experience pre mature evacuation. Its best to not complain to the tech...for legal issues they wont set it higher for you....so if you have pre mature evacuation do what every other experienced park skier does and set it .5 - 1 setting up at a time.
Nov 7 2011 3:14PM
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Huck_Norris
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might I ask why not? 

Truth is, any more-upright, not super stiff boot will be just fine in the park.  You can also easily adjust the flex rating in just about any boot by fucking with it.  Factor in that you have a nice walk mode and vibram for standing around in the park like a G and the option to tour in low tech bindings and you just might have something useful outside park skiing that works there too.  I mean, it doesn't look like a fucking sneaker but who cares???   

As for the OP, yep.  People are stupid.  You can't save them from themselves most of the time either.  Better just to write a book about stupid people, make a million and retire early.   

Nov 7 2011 4:46PM
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Mr.Huck
Posts: 6096 - Karma: 14,893
I laughed so hard at this that I peed myself a little. It happens at my age. 10/10 for you.
Nov 7 2011 6:32PM
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.Ian.
Posts: 1568 - Karma: 71
Ok not saying all techs are like this, as i'm sure there are plenty of great techs out there. Here's an instance that I had with bindings though. Just thought it was funny. I'm 6'3" 210 pounds so I'm a big guy. I have a boot size of 31.5 (mondo). I ended up just buying some 4frnt tnk's and deadbolt 15 bindings. I brought them to my local shop to have them mounted. He said he would adjust the DIN accordingly. I get the skis back and didn't even pay attention to the DIN. I'm riding down the mountain and my ski pops off. I check the DIN it's at 5. I thought that was a little low. I cranked it up to 8 and I'm thinking (alright if these down't pop off and I break my ankles I'm gonna have to live with my stupidity). But they've been great so far! Also I just wrote that story to ask should my DIN be at 5 or was the tech wrong? Am I gonna break my ankles in the future with my DIN at 8?
Nov 7 2011 6:43PM
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B.Lyfe
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it doesnt go by the boot size, but by the sole length which is printed on the side of the heel. example 317mm.

I'm loving this thread. Its nice knowing I'm not the only tech that sees this stuff haha


Nov 7 2011 6:48PM
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ECDomain
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i just let the ski shop set my din then when i go to the hill if i pop out too easy or not easily enough then i adjust it my self its easy... 1/4 turn right or left = 1 din up ur down... i just let techs do theyre thing and if i dont like it fix it after the fact. :)
Nov 7 2011 6:50PM
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jsaya_SagStraps
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Why? When they ask what level you are at, just say expert or level 3+, let them set the din at whatever it's supposed to be at, or ask them if they can set it at what you want, and if they say no don't be an asshole about it. It's not like adjusting din takes much time.
Nov 7 2011 7:17PM
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iLLbiLLy
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I worked as a boot fitter for a rental company one winter. We would get groups of a hundred or so people come up from florida and we would fit them with boots from the 1980's.

One Time I had a girl put her boot on without taking her shoes off first. She then proceeded to tell me that her boot was uncomfortable and she needed a bigger size.

%100 true. Just be glad you don't tech in the south
Nov 7 2011 7:48PM
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ECDomain
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Lmao soo funny...
Nov 7 2011 7:58PM
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dinosaurfellatio
Posts: 51 - Karma: 29
You stress too much, sir. I work at the shop in Biggy and you could spend hours fighting retards but it's quite useless really. We don't touch DIN without paperwork so once we've calibrated the bindings if they get hurt and blow up their knees it doesn't come back to us. I'd just chill the fuck out and let the retards reet.

Nov 8 2011 12:58AM
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hotdogger
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they make bindings adjustable so you can put them where you want them. the manufacturer cannot predict you. they just suggest for liability reasons. do downhill racers keep their DIN at suggested levels? do you think bobby brown keeps it a 7 because they suggest it. cmon they make bindings that range 20-29. those numbers are off the chart!!!!
Nov 8 2011 2:24AM
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B.Lyfe
Posts: 624 - Karma: 116
are you saying you are as good as bobby bron and/or a downhill racer? just kidding. there are always exceptions. and a din of 16+ mind as well be a non-release heh. its just the super idiots. not a specifics argument

Nov 8 2011 7:53AM
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onLINE
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The tech was probably right, 5 is what it should be set at to prevent you from sueing the shop for breaking your ankle....however what your experiencing is pre mature evacuation....which means the industry standard setting of 5 is to low for you....personnaly i think 8 is probably more along the line of your setting. im 6' 170pounds and mine is usually 10-11 depending on the binding.

Someone with your specs with a din at 8 should be good to go, the deadbolt 15 is a tougher binding so i wouldnt go higher unless you are experiencing more pre mature evacuation or dub ejections out of nowhere.

Nov 8 2011 10:04AM
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.Ian.
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Alright thanks man. Ya I figured the techs would set it pretty low because they don't want idiots suing them. Ya I'll just keep it at 8 for now, because on any crashes that I've had they always seem to pop off fine and I haven't had any pre mature evacuations anymore so I feel like I should be all set now. Ya I figured the deadbolt 15 was a little bit tougher at least. That's why I was worried if 8 was too much, but I guess not. So thanks again!
Nov 8 2011 1:39PM
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keenan.
Posts: 159 - Karma: 59
Apparently non-tech NSers don't know how to use a screwdriver - Strange.

What do you tech types think about putting toes and heels at different dins?
Nov 8 2011 4:39PM
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PaleCelery
Posts: 7228 - Karma: 608
I love my 155's. I understand most people don't need them, but I like the all metal design. I got them for the durability. I ride at a 10 (200 lbs 6 ft 1 3+ skier) so I'm well within the range
Nov 8 2011 6:48PM
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MichaelAlsid
Posts: 205 - Karma: 110
for people complaining about bad techs....do everything yourself.  i mount my own bindings on my skis, set my own din, fit my boots to my bindings.  i have not had a problem
Nov 10 2011 12:15PM
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Crispy.
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Can someone explain to me why sole length affects the din setting?
Nov 10 2011 1:57PM
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jblaski
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it has to to with leverage. The longer your boot is, the more torque you put on your bindings when you put a twisting motion on your boot. So if two people have the exact same measurements except BSL, the person with the longer boot would need a higher DIN.

You can also think of it like a wrench. If you have two wrenches to tighten a bolt, the longer one takes less effort to tighten it
Nov 10 2011 2:03PM
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Blurst
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See being a tech and a salesman I find that the customers think that they know everything. It is my job to inform the customer about the product, find out what they want and recommend what I think would be the best product for them. Too often I get customers that will not listen because they read a review online and think that they know everything about the ski world. Most of these people being young park skiers.
Nov 10 2011 2:13PM
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Crispy.
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Thanks man, I already had you at 10/10
Nov 10 2011 5:24PM
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B.Lyfe
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todays retarded update:

Ski mount 171 salomon 2012's with a STH16. Starts at 9 din. the kid is 130lbs and maxes at 8 under expert type 3 haha

-B
Nov 25 2011 3:27PM
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lukewalnuts
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lol

I ski 171 ON3P FR's mounted with STH12's weighing 120 lbs...


i ride a 6
Nov 25 2011 4:11PM
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ski_ENDUB
Posts: 2535 - Karma: 86
wow, kid should've bought sth 12's or 14's driver toe at the most.
Nov 25 2011 4:23PM
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CorbinLefebvre
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Man i weight 128 pounds i got my dins at 15
Nov 25 2011 5:39PM
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stickerman
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do you have the Tom wallisch full tilts as well?
Nov 25 2011 5:53PM
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RossB
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I've taken a dynafit touring boot into the park :)
Not exactly the best book I could choose for park, but it still worked alright. I feel like people here are so absorbed with getting the best gear that they overlook the whole skiing part. Sure, if you're a pro or you want absolutely the best gear, you don't want to ski the wrong boot, but gear isn't a substitute for actual skill...
Nov 25 2011 9:00PM
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SKI.ING
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This is a refreshing take especially on NS. Thankyou sir.
Nov 25 2011 9:20PM
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SFBv420.0
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I don't rant any more

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I just worry bout shop SAFETY

Nov 26 2011 8:44AM
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CorbinLefebvre
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No i hate fulltilt, Dalbello is the way to go, and theres a reason for my din being so high when your ski at 12 pops off setting for dubs, your gonna raise your din.
Dec 23 2011 3:25AM
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Rosbif
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Errr, then why on Din charts do the dins get higher as the boots get smaller?
Dec 23 2011 9:51AM
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120494435941
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can i have your life?
Dec 23 2011 11:07AM
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strongmark
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this is wrong.  technically as wrong as it could be.

shorter bsl = higher din.
Jan 3 2012 10:32PM
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