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Surface skis?

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momentz
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Hey NS! I had a question on surface skis quality. I heard many thing on surface both good and bad but I wanted to know what they really are I have my eyes on the watch lifes right now and just wasn't sure how good they are!
Oct 25 2011 9:33PM
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momentz
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Btw these skis are being put up against the moment pb and j's and the tahoes and the line bacon's these are in the race for my one ski quiver! But am not really sure what's the best quality , will last me the longest and be the best bang for your buck!
Oct 25 2011 9:38PM
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rankstank
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gear talk, but also am interested
Oct 25 2011 9:40PM
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Dibs
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from what i've heard the only good surface skis are the no time but they might not be what your looking for. I'm interested to see what other people have to say

Oct 25 2011 11:58PM
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Blurst
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There was really only an issue with the no time with rail damage. The double time held up really well last year.
Oct 25 2011 11:59PM
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BrightonFridays
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Their pow skis have always been bullet proof and they made major changes this year to make their park skis studier
Oct 26 2011 12:02AM
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yeah theyre quality. and they arent quite as expensive as the bigger brands
Oct 26 2011 12:04AM
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Download-My-Apps
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well I snapped 4 ninelifes and 1 no times, they are fun but shitty quality. I wouldn't recommend them if you don't like constantly warranting your skis.
Oct 26 2011 12:12AM
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alden.
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http://www.skijosh.com/20112012-moment-pbj-review---182.html
http://blistergearreview.com/gear-reviews/2011-2012-moment-pbj-188cm-2
http://www.evo.com/skis/moment-pb-and-j.aspx

i'd go pbj but here are the first things to pop up on google if you need some light reading
Oct 26 2011 12:13AM
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GreenStezz
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All my skis are Surface, love them but I also lived in Utah and love supporting local companies..........................

None the less, Surface is a legit ski company..............
Oct 26 2011 12:23AM
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rudager
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You guys need to drop the whole Nine Life quality issue. They've improved on their stuff so much since then, and have even improved the No Time for this year.

I've snapped my share of skis before, but I hold hold it against a company.


Momentz, go with the Watch Life, you won't regret it. They make a killer all mountain ski. Great for park, great for pow.
Oct 26 2011 12:23AM
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RockNRollNghtClb
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thats what they say every year... hahaha
Oct 26 2011 12:40AM
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cobra_commander
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Some will say good, some will say bad, all who will say something have said it before.

I wouldn't expect the results of this thread to be very different from the results you would get by reading all the threads there already are in gear talk about Surface.
Oct 26 2011 12:45AM
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eheath
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what a stupid comment, any ski is going to be damage by a rail.
Oct 26 2011 12:47AM
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Shark.
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seriously these kids are idiots. they've vamped up their park skis this year. I'm riding last years doubletimes and love them to death. granted i have ripped my heel piece out on one ski, but that was really due to me being an idiot and using shitty screws/bindings.
surface is a great company
Oct 26 2011 12:50AM
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Download-My-Apps
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just curious why do you always defend surface? They were the worst constructed ski I've ever been on. Snapping a pair every 15 days just doesn't right.
Oct 26 2011 12:59AM
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rudager
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Because people need to stop judging a whole companies line on one ski.
What were you skiing?


I love my One Lifes, they've been the only ski to last more than one season.
My friend has a pair of Green Lifes, he uses them for everything, and rips on them, they're still going strong.
Every person I've seen on Surface loves their skis.
Oct 26 2011 1:04AM
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eheath
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because i have NEVER had a problem with their skis and im am NOT a 105lb 14 year old kid that broke their surfaces somehow. I skied nine lives, no times, double times, joystick these and new lives. I have not had one problem with any of them and i hit rails ALOT and ski pretty hard. and again im not a tiny little kid, i abuse skis. I dont get how some dip shit kid breaks a ski that weights
Oct 26 2011 1:10AM
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Trace.
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I lol'd but seriously gear talk and even though they made some other solid skis this season I would still stay away. I mean when a company acknowledges that they made a skis core to thin to be actually used without snapping and doesn't try their hardest to offer a replacement/refund/deal to keep the customers I would be wary. Not hating on Surface or talking from personal experience just kind of spreading stories of what I've heard from friends and such
Oct 26 2011 1:11AM
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rudager
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They've beefed up both the No Time's, and the Double Time's cores this year. More durability.
Core snapping shouldn't be an issue anymore
Oct 26 2011 1:15AM
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cobra_commander
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Can we just let people buy skis..?
Oct 26 2011 1:30AM
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Download-My-Apps
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4 x nine lives
and 1 no times.  I think i've given them enough chances
Oct 26 2011 1:31AM
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jason...
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some skis simply hold up better on rails.

i skied pretty much all of last season on lizzies, probably 80% rails and they survived with just a few edge cracks. compare that to the punx i had a few season ago, which i didnt ski nearly as hard on or even as much rails on and they lost a combined foot and half of edge as well as the base delammed off.

the moral of this story? dont be a smartass, especially to a reasonable comment.
Oct 26 2011 1:32AM
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Download-My-Apps
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I honestly wish I could say the same. Super frustrating process for me, but at least they were good on the warranty to me
Oct 26 2011 1:33AM
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rudager
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Well that's unfortunate, I recommend trying out some non park skis
Oct 26 2011 1:35AM
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family_vacation
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But to varying degrees. I've had Rossis that were thrashed by rails, and I have had Lines that took the abuse like champions. You can't argue that all skis will exhibit the same durability of rails. My buddy lives in L.A. so he hardly ever skis, and he managed to destroy like three pairs of surfaces in a season. I've heard plenty of horror stories, and that brand is not an investment I would ever feel comfortable making if they were going to be used for skiing rails.
Oct 26 2011 1:40AM
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NCurry
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That doesn't make much sense. Surface is an incredible ski company. SOUL.
Oct 26 2011 1:40AM
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Download-My-Apps
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meh, I've heard their powder skis are better. I've had a bad experience with their product, why would I give it another chance? Like I heard they made improvements to their core, but they said that last year too. So given that I don't have much money I'll spend it on another company that I've had a better experience with.
Oct 26 2011 1:45AM
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rudager
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Fair enough, and I understand where you're coming from. And I won't force you or anyone to ski or buy them, they can do what they want. But if you have no experience, and just feel like jumping on the bandwagon. Then just be quiet
Oct 26 2011 1:51AM
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L.e.L.
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Bummer to hear that Mr. Mike. That ski was fun as hell, last year they tried to keep that same playful flex by adding carbon stringers which did cut down breaks but looks like it wasn't enough that's why this year they bumped the core from 9mm to 13mm and thus far the new ones have been bomber. Fun and durable is always a touchy balance, but for a small company like Surface it's tough to do the same R&D as the megas sometimes.

To answer the question to this thread though, if you're looking for a Surface ski similar to the PB&J check out the One Time, wide plat-form park rocker with a stiffer flex. Limited release this year but super fun all over the hill, been loving that ski.
Oct 26 2011 3:02AM
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Download-My-Apps
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ya el, I'll agree with that, easily the funnest park ski I've been on. I was really hoping the No Times would workout (feels like I'm breaking up with a chick). And to be fair, my nine lives would last on average 10 days, where as the no time I probably got closer to 30days in the park, so their was an improvement. Since Surface was cool with the warranties I did get my moneys worth, well a season and a half with the combined 5 skis, so im not totally bitter about. Its understandable that a new company has its kinks to work out, I think I'll just wait a bit to hear that theyre all gone before I drop a dime on them again.
Oct 26 2011 3:26AM
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SFBv420.0
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You should read the powder magazines gear guide for the info you seek
Oct 26 2011 7:55AM
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rudager
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Lousy idea. Magazines should be a last resort.

I've been talking to OP for the past week, and helping him choose a variety of skis from different companies (I don't plug just Surface).
To have him make up his mind from a small magazine blurb, it's like a slap in the face.

There are so many companies that don't participate in those reviews.
Along with NS being full of gear reviews and people who have ridden so many skis
Oct 26 2011 2:13PM
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MBskier95
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i agree there great skis that are super fun to ride, i have never had a problem with them there super fun skis that hold up well.
Oct 27 2011 10:50AM
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vordulmega
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surface next times, any good?
Oct 27 2011 3:26PM
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Balto
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Pretty much sums it up. Why take the risk when you could buy a brand that is known for better quality and doesn't have the bad stigma that surface has. They really fucked them self's over in that department. If people want to buy surface go right ahead, it's their money, but just know that many, many people have had severe problems.
Oct 27 2011 3:30PM
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