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--Flipping help and advice needed--

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TBreso
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Good day fellow NSer.

So the snow has turned pretty slushy at my mountain and i figure, 'what better time to try flips?' ive never flipped on skis before but i am a lifeguard durring the summer and do doubles on diving boards regularly, i am comfortable flippin in the air.

I was thinking of trying a flatspin? do you think thats a good fist flip trick to try? if not answer what you think would be better.

any input, advice, thoughts, help, tips greatly appreciated.

Mar 23 2011 6:23PM
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ktd619
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well can you backflip?

Mar 23 2011 6:28PM
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TBreso
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ive never done one on skis. But i was thinking flatspin would be easier/less sketchy since i wouldnt be very inverted and i can spot my landing for a long time.
Mar 23 2011 6:49PM
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xfreeskix
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i learned a frontflip before any backflips or lincoin loops all you really  have to remember is to commit and you should be fine and lincoin loops arent that easy i deffinatly wouldent tell someone to try one if they have never flipped before but if you do a lincoin loop first (not recomended) remember to spot your landing and focus on completeing the rotation

Mar 23 2011 6:57PM
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Broseph_Stalin
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we heard you
Mar 23 2011 6:58PM
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Blurst
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Backflips will be your easiest invert although they are very scary. Flatspin would be a good start seeing as it is a good base for more tricks to come and like you said you can spot the landing from far away.
Mar 23 2011 6:58PM
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ktd619
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How many tries did it take before you could just backflip everytime?

Mar 23 2011 7:00PM
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xfreeskix
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yeas i have tried one iv landed lots its how i learned rodeo 5s but thats beside the point flipping to the side is a helluva lot hader then a backflip or frontflip in my opinion but everyone is different keep that in mind
Mar 23 2011 7:02PM
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TBreso
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thanks everybody, couple more things:

This jump is about a 30foter. theres a 55 footer next to it but id rather try on a smaller jump not to destroy myself i fuk up.

And if i backflip, should i tuck (go in a ball and hands to knees) or do it layout?

Mar 23 2011 7:03PM
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EC-Skier
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see how slow you spin a 3 off it. thats about how fast you want to flip, you can always lay it out, and if you need to tuck later in the flip
Mar 23 2011 7:11PM
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ktd619
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TUCK. Over-rotating>under-rotating
Mar 23 2011 7:11PM
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xfreeskix
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dont lay it out first try first set for the rotation lean back off the jump and bring your knees up then spot your landing

Mar 23 2011 7:14PM
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ktd619
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i had a tough time with them this season...landed about 14 and crashed(under and over rotate)about 12 times.Oh and it was my first year trying them

Mar 23 2011 7:25PM
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CRiP
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definitely backflips. i learned them second after fronts but they are so easy. dont tuck for a 30 footer either. i learned on a 20 footer and over rotated 2 out of my first 3 tries. if you commit you will be fine. they're honestly as easy as 3s and only the first one is scary
Mar 23 2011 8:47PM
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votson
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Backs are soooooo easy just remember to bring your legs around
Mar 23 2011 9:04PM
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skier_boy26
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Back flips are the easiest. As long as the jump you hit as plenty of height so you dont catch your tips, you're solid. Pop well and look back and spot that landing.

Flatspins may seem better in principle, but if you aren't used to setting them and being on that kind of axis (and not to mention being unfamiliar with throwing any kind of flip on skis), you will probably feel pretty uncomfortable.
Mar 23 2011 9:13PM
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majora
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i found frontflips were much less scary. a little bit harder to get around than backflips but with backflips i often overrotated and landed on my back and it hurt a looot before landing them. i landed frontflips first try just a little back seat.
Mar 23 2011 9:16PM
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willyg0808
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flat 3= easiest trick ever. dont try lincolns theyre hard. i learned frontflip first. with front you just have to commit. backflip is the same way. if you comit you'll be good. realize befor you get in the air that skis are heavy, and it IS different than flipping on tramps. legit i would try flatspin 360 because you can spot your landing, and its no big deal if you over rotate. its also hard to catch tips with a flat, just make sure you pop off the takeoff
Mar 23 2011 9:26PM
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monkatizer
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this!

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Mar 23 2011 9:34PM
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EmperorKuzco
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Backflip, then flat then rodeo that's what I did
Mar 23 2011 9:39PM
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TBreso
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i like this.

i figure i might just end up doing a flat 5 if im going for a flat 3 since the rotation is just more obvious to do a 5 and land switch.  ill let you all know how it goes... maybe even a vid from my friends go pro if he brings it this wknd.

+k to all for your help. keep it comming, thanks!

Mar 23 2011 9:51PM
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monkatizer
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yes. to flat u need to be able to backie first! a flat 3 is basicly an off axis backie
Mar 23 2011 10:02PM
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TBreso
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yes a flat 3 is pretty muck a of axis backflip but a flat 5 looks quite different you are MUCH less inverted.
Mar 23 2011 10:13PM
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RunDMc
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You're probably better off building a little kicker on a hill and learning a backflip on that first. Only because if you've never flipped before, it's likely that you won't commit all the way on your first one. If that happens, it'll be better to fall on a much smaller jump. You'll find out that it doesn't hurt when you fall trying backflips and I bet you commit and land the next 5 in a row. Then try taking it to that 30 footer.
Mar 23 2011 10:16PM
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TPalms
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I learned backflips first, then front flips, then lincolns then flat 3's. Flat 3's are by far my most favorite trick to throw, so floaty and styley.

Since I've learned all of them, I'd say that flat 3's would probably be really easy to learn first if you're ready to commit to it since its kinda to the side and you can see your landing for a longer time. If you go for that and don't flatten it out, it's not a big deal, you just did a backflip instead.

I kinda taught some kid how to do a flat 3 this past weekend (he'd never done backflips, frontflips or lincolns on snow) and he got it first try, after I saw him later he agreed with me--such a fun trick. Just come in with a wide stance, pop hard dip your head to your shoulder, reach for Japan and float it around. If you don't get the grab it's not a big deal, it'll set you right at least.

Backflips are REALLY easy though, I learned them second try--ten times easier then 3's for sure.

In closing... Fuck, I dunno, just go with what's most comfortable. Backflips would be a good starting point, but you'll be fine if you go straight to flat 3's.
Mar 23 2011 10:26PM
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danimal5
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did any one else see fapping help or was that just me
Mar 23 2011 10:27PM
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TPalms
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Kindasortamaybepossiblyforasecond... no wait, actually, not at all.


Haha I see where YOUR mind is going.
Mar 24 2011 12:56AM
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Malcolm
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you definitely dont need a 30 foot jump to try a backflip.
Mar 24 2011 1:00AM
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monkatizer
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you need to be able to flat 3 before flat 5ing and u need to backie before flat 3ing!

u make as much sense as me trying a dub cork before a backflip because u dont want to go inverted!

and if u huck a flat 5 before anything else u mostlikley will go inverted and get much worse hurt then if u did a back!

the backflip rotation is soooo much simpiler then a flat 5. and to do a flat 5 u do a flat 3 and throw a 180 in the end! it will be the same amount of invert when done right!
Mar 24 2011 11:16AM
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CRiP
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you dont "need" to be able to do one trick before the other. the majority of people who try flatspins do flat 5s or even flat 7s before they learn flat 3s. it gives you more time to get your feet back under you and is much less forced. and i know backflips are by far the easiest flip but it is still a different rotation than a flatspin. you can learn them in any order you want
Mar 24 2011 4:29PM
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willy_baller
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I got it first try, and had them consistent ever since that.
Mar 24 2011 4:36PM
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TBreso
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any more tips? sunday will be here soon
Mar 24 2011 10:18PM
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G_Skier
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I would learn backflips first, it makes everything way less scarier and easy. I forget who said it before but yeah for learning a backflip you would be better off building a smaller kicker and learning them on that rather then a 30 footer. just make sure you commit and spot your landing and you will be fine
Mar 25 2011 11:56AM
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