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Rockered vs. Reg. Camber for PARK

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SKI.ING
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Looking to get more into park and want a dedicated park ski. Just wanted to know what everyone thought about these two different types skis. Pros/Cons, etc. I do mostly jumps and like to play around on natural features alot, thanks!
Mar 3 2011 1:06AM
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Kangbang
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Get a cambered park ski. Learn proper pop. Later on buy a rockered park ski.
Mar 3 2011 1:27AM
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pigglywiggly
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probably the bear
Mar 3 2011 7:00AM
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pigglywiggly
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fuuuu. the best* decision here. but i perfer a camber rocker mix. has a lot of pop, good.
Mar 3 2011 7:01AM
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pigglywiggly
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holy shit fuck this phone. but yeah it has a lot of pop, still has good edge hold but the rocker makes it
Mar 3 2011 7:02AM
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pigglywiggly
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it not allowed to get hung up. FUCK. sorry about that
Mar 3 2011 7:04AM
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onenerdykid
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a lot of this is personal preference, but our team only wants to ride regular cambered skis in the park. You get more pop off of lips and more support on landings where stability is key. That is their preference, and it works very well for them (they just went 1, 2, 4, 5 at the Austrian Open), but find out what you like and what works for you.
Mar 3 2011 7:07AM
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Juice.Doctor
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so a rockered park ski will not preform as well as a cambered ski in the park?
I was planning on trying what would replace the on3p blue steeles next year, but because they will have a pretty big rocker, i dont know anymore.
I ski 100 percent park but i love to really use my edges while in the park.
Mar 3 2011 8:52AM
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a_pla5tic_bag
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^not really. I mean pro's like what he's talking about the atomic guys might notice it cause they're hitting huge stuff. otherwise i'd think it's preference.
Mar 3 2011 9:44AM
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greyninja
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i prefer camber in the park, because itll cushion your landings better due to the impact distribution across the entire ski

i can see why reverse camber would be fun tho, because itll reduce the chance of getting hung up on rails during switch-ups, theyre faster because tthere's less friction on the snow, and on super slushy days you wont submerge in slush on landings

just my thoughts on the matter
Mar 3 2011 12:32PM
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RudyGarmisch
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The rocker on the replacement ski is actually less than the previous one. It starts earlier and runs 5cm longer, but its very very gradual, following an elliptical curve. Its way more stable and fun, soooooo easy to get on tips and tails. Its still less rocker length than the K2 Revival, its not that crazy.
Mar 3 2011 12:48PM
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Alkyy
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Never summers new camber rocker camber on skis, wonder how it would work? Any thoughts...

My friend thinks it would be prime, best of both worlds, be able to surface swap no problem then sitll have the stability of normal camber in jumps. I personally dont see the benifits of having a rocker camber rocker ski would be for park, loose the pop and stability in the tip and tail and still dont have the benifit of rocker underfoot.
Mar 3 2011 12:49PM
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RudyGarmisch
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I witnessed a dude ollie 2' from a stop by popping off the tails of this ski. I then witnessed Kip pop over a snowboarders board while they were sitting in the middle of the run.

You can have pop in rockered skis, you just need camber and an energetic core construction.
Mar 3 2011 12:56PM
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Whale
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This is how I said snowboards should be made forever. Reg camber on a snowboard is just dumb, where as this makes sense because the camber is where your feet are.

As far as being able to pop with rocker skis, I can ollie higher on my one lifes than I can on any park ski, and it is not because there is a little bit of camber underfoot. Rocker makes is so much easier to ollie, but it probably depends on how you ski. I would love a 3 stage rocker park ski, it would be insanely fun.
Mar 3 2011 1:05PM
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SKI.ING
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So it seems most people are concerned about washing out on landings with the rockered skis. But would getting a super soft ski like the armada thall be equivalent to a rockered ski in regards to jumps. (Yes, I know the technical differences).
Mar 3 2011 7:02PM
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Dustin.
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No. My Blue Steele's are much more stable than T-Halls. J-mos are more stable than any other park ski I've ever had since they have a beastly core.

Rocker =/= instability
Mar 3 2011 7:05PM
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Tanner-D
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both at once
mustache rocker
Mar 3 2011 7:14PM
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Jibbidy
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GUYZ ITS A SIMPLE CONCEPT I
Mar 5 2011 2:39AM
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Jibbidy
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Rocker mostly makes a ski ski shorter. Read that right? Early taper. Early rise. Geometry. That's why the more rockered it is, the more it is akin to a snowblade. End.
Mar 5 2011 2:42AM
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Twig
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For what its worth, I can ollie way higher on my Bent Chetlers than I could on any park ski. Same was true on my old EP Pros (Bent Chetlers more so though).


Mar 5 2011 3:16AM
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LockyK
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i much prefer a camber ski in the park.

but im a wuss and what that little bit more on bigger jumps.
Mar 5 2011 12:59PM
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idskithat
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thats why you get them bigger a bit bigger
Mar 5 2011 1:00PM
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tall_t
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that would suck  on skis. the camber is underfoot when a boarder is on it, but not when a skier is on it. then if you changed it to ski version, it would be rocker camber rocker.
Mar 5 2011 1:38PM
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J@squ@tc4
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I have heard tha t the K2 Revival replacement for next year (the Recoil) will have the best of both worlds with both camber and tip and tail rocker. 
Mar 5 2011 2:05PM
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natty.
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i think it really only works for snowboards because their feet are directly over the cambered zones. it wouldnt really do anything for skiers because there wouldnt be much weight on that section of the ski.
Mar 5 2011 2:12PM
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Toasty.
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i use my eps for park and pow.
Mar 5 2011 3:21PM
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Jibbidy
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Sort of correct...however a slightly longer ski only does so much to counteract even up to 50cm of rocker.
Mar 5 2011 3:36PM
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Balto
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rocker won't affect the pop nearly as much as the core material and the lay up of the ski. it really comes down to how you want to ride, butters and more jibby tricks are where the rocker excells. where normal cambered park skis are generally more stiff leading to them being more stable on very large jumps. All i can really say though is that i will never be on a non rockered park ski ever again.
Mar 5 2011 3:51PM
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nskerb
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id go with rocker, they are way easier to spinn and the pop wont be affected as much
Mar 5 2011 9:27PM
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