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Jay Z Stealing Lyrics

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TheQuailman
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Quote from Uncommon Valor by Jedi Mind Tricks:

"Raping and pillage your village" - RA The Rugged Man

Quote from Monster by Kanye West

"Rape and pillage a village" - Jay Z

Seems kinda lame that a huge rapper like Jay Z would steal lyrics from a fairly underground rapper like RA.

Jan 12 2011 12:04AM
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95959
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Are you serious? that's not a lyric, that's five words, and something that Vikings and Huns did to their foes. Do I have the power to nominate?
Jan 12 2011 12:09AM
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CoonKiller
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Jan 12 2011 12:12AM
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bermbuster49
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+K for posting a sick jedi song


-K for posting something no one cares about


that gives you +-K
Jan 12 2011 12:13AM
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mattytru
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i feel like that's more of a nod to jedi mind tricks
Jan 12 2011 12:53AM
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PeterWojnar
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Come on you can clearly see that being an easy-to-make logical though. Hmmm, when people say rape, what else goes with rape, pillage, fantastic. Rape and pillage. Now lets see, what rhymes with pillage? Oh got it. Village. BAM, lyric.

Shit like this probably happens all the time in the music industry, and it is up to the band, the producer, and the rest of the people involved to try to catch it. If it goes uncaught though, threads like this get made.
Jan 12 2011 12:56AM
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find
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this is what i assumed from reading the title, but it seems like it was just a coincidence. it's really just one line with two rhyming words that make logical sense together. and i'm pretty sure jay-z doesn't need to steal lines from jedi mind
Jan 12 2011 12:57AM
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jason...
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jay-z also took the whole "all black" thing from Big L.
Jan 12 2011 12:58AM
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k-rob
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qft.
Jan 12 2011 1:00AM
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[evan]
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475930504.4857940 * 3k.375930 / 48967304 = +-=_=_+++--=+_-=+K
Jan 12 2011 1:02AM
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mattytru
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i concur
Jan 12 2011 1:16AM
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baethoven
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thats five fucking words you dumbass, you can't really call a phrase stealing. Go through your rap collection and tell me there aren't repeats of phrases.



Jan 12 2011 1:19AM
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TheWakes.
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its called sampling. everyone does it. nobody cares.
Jan 12 2011 1:30AM
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PeterWojnar
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sampling is when you take a piece of the song as recorded and remix it into your own work, not just take the lyrics dude...
Jan 12 2011 2:29AM
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GayWolf420
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Arists use other artists lyrics all the damn time. I'm pretty sure Jay-Z gave Jedi Mind Tricks credit for it. Stop whining, OP.
Jan 12 2011 2:40AM
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PeterWojnar
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That they do it all the time does not make it acceptable.

Sorry, I happen to be a stickler for copyright law when it comes to plagarism of work. Photography does that to you.
Jan 12 2011 2:43AM
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GayWolf420
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Lets just hope Jay-Z gave them credit which I am sure he did. Hes pretty down with a lot of hip hop artists out.
Jan 12 2011 2:44AM
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baethoven
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Lets put these in context. I find it ridiculous that people think Jay needs to give credit for a group of 5 words that are commonly used for the act of ransacking a village. What would you rather have him say? Force sex and plunder your village?


Ra the rugged man- "Kill a village elephant, rapin' and pillage your village
Illegitimate killers, US Military guerillas
This ain't no real war, Vietnam shit"

Jay- Z- I kill a block I murder avenues
Rape and pillage a village, women and children
Everybody wanna know what my achilles heel is


now that i've done this I personally think that the two should switch their lines. Mainly because the use of "your" would fit better in jay's.



Jan 12 2011 2:55AM
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ryantheconnolly
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WAIT GUYZ RAPPER DONT COME UP WITH 100% ORIGINAL STUFF?
Jan 12 2011 3:00AM
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find
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i know this is old but i had to get on it. have you ever heard the big l song, or did you just look at the title? jay-z is talking about wearing "all black everything" just to look like a g, but the whole big l song is saying that if you fuck with him he'll kill you and "have your family dressed in all black"
Jan 12 2011 12:34PM
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mothaeast
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Kinda happens all the damn time. Listen to more hip hop, its everywhere. Some of it is tasteful recognition and some of it is just straight biting.
Jan 12 2011 12:43PM
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skithesprings
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Jan 12 2011 12:53PM
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Brenone
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The fucking ignorance in this thread is astonishing.
He didnt steal those lyrics. Its a phrase thats been used in numerous songs probably some movies and who knows how many other people. No copyright laws were broken here folks.

And to the guy that said Jay-Z stole Big L's lyric you are wrong. That is true about Big L meaning he's going to have your whole family dressed in black. And Jay recites Big L often and gives him credit for it. He was set to sign with Rockafella records before he got shot.
Jan 12 2011 12:59PM
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Slinger1x1
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where does jay-z steal All Black? i fucking love that song
Jan 12 2011 1:03PM
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VPP
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its called biting, nothing new
Jan 12 2011 1:05PM
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find
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he doesn't. it's another coincidence. i'm assuming the reference was to jay-z's verse in "run this town," where he has one line about "all black everything." kid was clearly hoping to just drop some knowledge using big l's name and assumed that nobody else had heard the song/would call him out on it.
Jan 12 2011 2:46PM
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eheath
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Do you know how many rappers say the same words in similar forms? thats like saying one rapper said "ill shoot you in the knee caps" copied the other rapper who probably said the same thing before, there are only so many words.
Jan 12 2011 2:49PM
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find
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thank you.
Jan 12 2011 2:50PM
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deleted5
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you want to talk about stealing lyrics lets talk about led zeplin
Jan 12 2011 2:56PM
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maximiliaan
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true the biggest coverband in the world
Jan 12 2011 2:59PM
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.Emerson.
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It's biting faggot not stealing. Get down with the slang
Jan 12 2011 3:02PM
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GayWolf420
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LIL B BASED GOD.
Jan 12 2011 3:15PM
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deleted5
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mcmurry
Jan 12 2011 5:56PM
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Mr.Turtle
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at least you posted a sick Jedi song..
Jan 12 2011 6:12PM
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207
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Read XXL, this is a common occurance in the rap game, and XXL complies 4 similar lyrics in each one of their magazines.
Jan 12 2011 6:16PM
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Slinger1x1
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obviously lil wayne!!!!!
Jan 12 2011 6:33PM
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yeahno
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like: go hard to the paint
Jan 12 2011 6:33PM
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JamesR
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Yeah, but more importantly, Gucci Mane stole lyrics from Jermaine aka the Hiphopapotamous.

Jermaine: "They call me the Hiphopopotamus
Flows that glow like phosphorous
Poppin' off the top of this esophagus
Rockin' this metropolis"


Gucci: "Now the hip imma hippopotamus, I’m roarin up that rhinoceros
Shes jockin and its obvious, I land in your metropolis"

copied and pasted the gucci lyrics. theyre a bit messed up but whatever i dont feel like listening to it

Jan 12 2011 7:34PM
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TheQuailman
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At least we can agree the guy who said its sampling is wrong

Someone else said that this line is used all the time in songs and movies but I garauntee you couldn't find an example.  Notice how he didn't post one.

A lot of people mentioned that rappers use each others lyrics all the time.  Well some rappers do, and its lame as hell, and when they do, its usually short common slang terms and phrases like 'swagger' or 'go hard' or 'smoke ls' but clearly 'rape and pillage a village' is not a term thats being used all the time.

Also Jay-Z doesn't give RA credit for it.

Jan 12 2011 7:40PM
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k-rob
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http://lmgtfy.com/?q=Rape+and+pillage+a+village

WELL HOT DAMN, NEITHER JAY Z OR RA ARE THE FIRST PEOPLE TO SAY THIS.

Jan 12 2011 7:46PM
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TheQuailman
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yoooo I googled it and it was all about the song monster and uncommon valor but nice try...I challenge you to post an example
Jan 12 2011 7:56PM
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phelps
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pretty sure I've heard that in like 5 different tv shows and several songs..its not a lyric, practically a phrase
Jan 12 2011 7:59PM
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k-rob
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that's funny, the first 3 links when i googled it had nothing to do with either of those songs, not to mention the 77,500 other results that mention VIKINGS instead of JAY-Z. i don't know what more evidence you need that this is a pretty common phrase.
Jan 12 2011 8:00PM
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Mezmerize19
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Jedi Mind Tricks: The

Jay Z: The


Oh. my. fucking. god
Jan 12 2011 8:02PM
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ryantheconnolly
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they totes magoats plagiarized that shit from the middle ages, what douchebags
Jan 12 2011 9:16PM
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gnarles.
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HAHAHA YESS
Jan 12 2011 9:20PM
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baethoven
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Dude, give it up. It's a fucking phrase. Don't even try to call me out and tell me I need to spot an example for you. How bout you quit being fucking ignorant, and understand those five words create an action/group of actions that my fellow Nordic ancestors bestowed upon their victims. Ever wonder why the Irish have red hair?


Jan 12 2011 10:19PM
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Cheeksforlyfe
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Drake - Over

"One thing about music, when it hits you feel no pain, and I swear I got the shit that makes these bitches go insane." March, 2010

Dead Presidents - Hip Hop

"One thing bout music when it hits you feel no pain, white folks says it controls yo brain, I know better than that that's game." 2000

If you listen to both of these verses, drake even copies the rhyme and tune of it.


Jan 12 2011 10:49PM
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ryantheconnolly
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bob marley- trenchtown rock
one good thing about music, when it hits it feels alright

ya we get it
Jan 12 2011 10:51PM
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Brenone
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If you wanna believe that RA The Rugged Man coined this phrase go right ahead. Moron.
Jan 12 2011 10:52PM
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TheQuailman
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Obviously RA didn't make up the phrase 'rape and pillage'. Go google "rape and pillage a village" or "rape and pillage your village" with the quotes and it will be all shit about monster and uncommon valor

Jan 12 2011 11:27PM
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