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Mountains requiring passes for "Large" parks

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Sean...M
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Alright to start off I'm from chicago and if this thread has already been made then whatever, the search on this site sucks ass now and i figured this would be a pretty good topic to talk about

It was my first day ever skiing Winter Park and as I'm approaching Dark Territory I'm stopped and told that i need a pass. First off, it was quite gaper of me because there was a sign and it even said on the trail map that a pass is required.

ANYWHO

I had to watch an 18 minute video on SmartStyle and pay $20 for a seasons pass which I'm obviously not gonna use for an entire season.

My question is, what are your guys' feelings on mountains requiring passes for their exprert park and how to obtain such passes?

It's a really good idea but i think should be modified to where either people under 18 need to watch the video/get a pass or everyone should watch the video and get a pass but shouldn't have to pay $20 to ski a part of the mountain after paying $95 for a lift ticket


Jan 3 2011 9:38PM
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Newman513
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Stratton does it, but they're free after you watch a video and take a quiz.
Jan 3 2011 9:40PM
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.jesus.
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it's a fucking good ass idea damn it keeps liability and congestion down. quit bitchin'
Jan 3 2011 9:40PM
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I love it though I can understand your frustration if you weren't previously aware.
Jan 3 2011 9:43PM
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chad.
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the pass system enables parks to have way better parks, bigger jumps, more links in the rails, etc. my local mountain charges 5 bucks, 20 is way to much imo
Jan 3 2011 9:44PM
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Balto
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20 is fine if you are riding the whole season there, if you can't afford $20 you shouldn't be skiing(or in chad's case snowboarding)

park passes keep gapers out, just look at it that way
Jan 3 2011 9:46PM
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eheath
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I fucking wish park city had them.
Jan 3 2011 9:47PM
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jason...
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Blackcomb does it for one park (there are 2 more legitimate parks located on Whistler/Blackcomb that you can shred without passes), yes it is completely the right thing to do. The HL (highest level) park on Blackcomb has gigantic jumps, and they only get bigger as the season goes on. I think kong (the biggest jump) is sitting around 65 right now, and it has a lot of pop too. If your average joe shmoe had an all access pass to stuff like that there would be a hell of a lot more injuries/deaths in the park, and that could result in no more park at all.

I would much rather my mountain had a park pass system as it would keep a lot of traffic/gapers out of the park.

Park passes = a good thing.
Jan 3 2011 9:47PM
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Downtofilm
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Well in whistler its like 30$ but you do not need to watch a video just sign a waiver.
I think its good cause it keeps those gapers that ride the blue park and get in peoples way out of the large park. Usually everyone is really safe in the large park so there is no worrying for some nort gaper to get in your way.
Jan 3 2011 9:50PM
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A.Eberhard
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Park passes are the best idea.
- Keeps gapers out of the snowpark from standing on the landings, infront of jumps and rails, stops them from riding lips and stuff
- Let's mountains build bigger features, put in bigger rails, without worrying about getting sued for injuries/death. It allows them to build these features because of the pass and the waiver you sign.

I love it, we have a free public park that is smaller and it is awful. Everything get ruined, it's a safety concern to the people that use it and the people who have no idea what they are doing. Long live the park pass!
Jan 3 2011 9:53PM
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funkmaster
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it sucks to roll up to a hill you only want to ski at for one day and probably not go back the rest of the season and have to pay an extra $10 and sit through shit just to ride park though...
Jan 3 2011 9:54PM
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pag
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It's dope when you're at your local mountain, keeps the gapers out of the park

But it kind of suck when you go hit another park
Paying a 60-80$ for the ticket + a 20$ fee for a single day it fucking blows.

Here in Quebec the park need a park pass if you have XL set-ups
So most nice park do have Park pass between 10 and 25$ more or less

Jan 3 2011 9:55PM
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.frenchy
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Keeps gapers/ vacationers out.. which is good, i wish my mountain had one!
Jan 3 2011 9:57PM
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a_pla5tic_bag
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yeah. if i go out west and want to hit up a park while im there and can't go in cause i need to purchase a pass which i will only use once, i'm kind of annoyed.

and i don't think it even works that well. the south mountain at creek is still filled with gapers.
Jan 3 2011 9:57PM
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jason...
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budday not everyone who rides blue park is a gaper who gets in everyones way, some people just like rails over jumps. it keeps the weekend warriors out.
Jan 3 2011 9:57PM
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Yung_Gnarley
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Keysone NEEDS it.
Jan 3 2011 9:59PM
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OGHolliday
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You also need to have day park passes for like 2-3 dollars for those who dont plan on going that many times so they dont have to blow 10-20 bucks on a seasons park pass. at butternut they do it and its actually pretty good keeps mad gapers out.
Jan 3 2011 10:01PM
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Skithedeep
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Why not have a standard video to watch, with a standard pass or certificate that works anywhere you wanna use it. seems logical to me, i mean park safety is park safety
Jan 3 2011 10:02PM
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RudyGarmisch
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Stevens Pass has one of the better park pass systems I know of.

12 min video
Free day pass
$5 Season pass

If they could only get the gates RFID like the lifts, it would save some poor park crew guy having to check passes at the top.
Jan 3 2011 10:03PM
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funkmaster
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this
Jan 3 2011 10:04PM
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Balto
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but I like have pole duels with david every time I ski through the gate
Jan 3 2011 10:05PM
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skibeest
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Look at it this way. I used to moan and groan about having to do the PSP pass at Okemo and SES pass at Stratton but if you go to a local terrain park that doesn't require it, what do you get? Little kids doing the pizza wedge in front of rails and features. I hit a feature and then this gay kid wedged right in front of me and he and I ate it because after coming 20 feet off a cliff jump onto a kid- there's no low impact. Anyway, I got a tounge lashing from his dad about being irresponsible and when I told him about "park ediquite" he just went off on this park rat bullshit. Anyway,  all in all. It's good that they have these because it makes the park better for riders like you and me.
Jan 3 2011 10:09PM
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.brian
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park passes are a sick idea and can work really well to keep gapers out of the park. every mountain with a decent sized park should have a park pass system of some kind.
Jan 3 2011 10:24PM
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ReignMan
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ya it works pretty well. the park this year is super fun.
Jan 3 2011 10:32PM
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Buzz_Lightyear
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the pass system allows funding for parks to build bigger and better features plus it keeps gapers out of our parks so 20 bills is a small price to pay for something like that
Jan 3 2011 10:34PM
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Swervasaurus
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ya i thought the PSP at Okemo was stupid but all u do is take a quiz and its free and if u dont wanna do that u can just ski in through the woods anyways
its not going to completely keep gapers out of the park but it at least slows them down and thins them out
Jan 3 2011 10:40PM
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gombo8
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the RFID take so much longer.. and the park crew have seen you before that day or know who you are/ what you look like they wont stop you and make u pull it out. and i love the fact of passes, it thins out the fuck ups who pizza off a jump and land 5 feets past the lip on a 25 footer
Jan 3 2011 10:41PM
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Utard
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Brighton does it but it's only like $5 for a lifetime pass
Jan 3 2011 10:47PM
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p-fo
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basically the best idea ever. im lobbying my mtn for this super hard right now
Jan 3 2011 10:49PM
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Ski_ThEast
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but i still believe they are way too easy to get there are way too many gapers in the park, i also think ski school should have a limit in the park it creates so much conjestion especially in tyro
Jan 3 2011 10:58PM
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TheHamburglar
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haha I wish big bear had this
Jan 3 2011 11:02PM
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Ducky.
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Best idea ever.
Jan 3 2011 11:04PM
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Simon.k
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it's a good concept but they should be universal and work at more that just your local mtn.
Jan 3 2011 11:28PM
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OnePlank
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are these passes for park only? or do you have to buy a normal day pass AND the park pass? just wondering cause none of the mountains around me have passes
Jan 3 2011 11:32PM
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84891jnf92048
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everywhere needs them.

i am so fucking sick of hitting jump lines and almost hitting Joe Cruiser who decides that the landings are the best place to carve completely across the fall-line.

getting snaked by gapes hitting the sides of rails/jumps while trying to learn a trick is also a fuckin pain in the ass.
Jan 3 2011 11:43PM
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Peter.
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park passes at my local mountain do nothing because you have to watch a video and they are free, and all the parents and kids get them and still ride through the park.
Jan 3 2011 11:45PM
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DrZoidberg
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Here in NJ at mountain creek, one of the peaks is an entirely park peak and you need a pass to get to it. You have to take an internet/in person test to get the pass too. Doesn't exactly keep all the gapers out, but it must keep a few of them away.
Jan 3 2011 11:46PM
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84891jnf92048
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which is why you should need to pass a test, and park passes should be taken away easily.
Jan 3 2011 11:52PM
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Sklar
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do all these parks require a pass for someone taking photos or filming?
Jan 3 2011 11:57PM
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HIT
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whistler, they just let the filmer kids through
Jan 4 2011 12:01AM
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DUKES
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yeah A51 def needs it you have parents and small kids, and racers go in there. pisses me off
Jan 4 2011 12:04AM
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zagfan5
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this.

smart style seems to be the system everyone is on already anyways. lets just make one video and give it to every ski resort as a standard.
make it a nice sturdy laminated card with a punch hole in the corner to attach onto your jacket or pants just like a season pass.

Jan 4 2011 12:26AM
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will_powder
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nakiska and louise used to be 5 bucks...but you got a food voucher for 5 bucks
Jan 4 2011 12:27AM
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Toasty.
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stevens pass has been doin it for like 3 years. basically so you cant sue them, cause a guy killed himself tryin a backflip in the park like 4 years ago.
Jan 4 2011 12:54AM
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JIB_WALRUS
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if you do get hurt and sue i'm sure a lawyer could easily argue its the maintenance of the park that hurt the "guy" and not stupid people or himself being stupid the only thing it does is keep the real noobs out but even then they manage to get in the whole thing is fucking stupid and shouldn't cost money
Jan 4 2011 1:16AM
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zagfan5
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actually a lawyer cant argue that. as long as the person signed the waiver and is not a minor they legally are bound by the terms of the waiver. and the waiver states that when signed you give up your legal right to sue or hold the ski resort liable for any damages you sustain while in the park.  end of story.
Jan 4 2011 1:56AM
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Funnel
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I kind of wish my resort does it. At vacation destinations they really shouldn't do it. They have the money to pay the insurance for a big park and maintain it. Whatever Ma
Jan 4 2011 2:05AM
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ankhou
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Waivers don't hold up in court. Every ski resort knows this. What they do is scare people, which reduces the amount of people trying things out of their comfort zone and thus reduces injuries.
Jan 4 2011 2:18AM
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Doug.
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Its good because it keeps the really shitty skiers out. It also gives the park a bit of money to work with. Usually only the skiers/snowboarders that should be in there are in there.
Jan 4 2011 2:37AM
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Kangbang
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i wish big white had this. over the break ive seen to many gapers and adults just snake people and go over the knoll of the jump. also the little kids with that go on the boxes and fall then they start crying and wont move out of the way. i had that happen to me last weekend. i waited like 5 minutes to hit the box. the parents pretty much just stood their.
Jan 4 2011 2:48AM
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matt22matt
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bromont has it its good... there wont be whole bunch of kids and randoms people in the park jumping of the lips of rails and such.
Jan 4 2011 8:49AM
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