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Hellbents vs prophet 130 vs czar

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moliverallen
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Im looking to get a pair of powder skis from 2010 that will rip the pow and still ski the groomers and ive narrowed it down to hellbents or prophet130 or the Czars. Can you guys help? im 6'2 200 pounds and am an expert skiier!

Dec 1 2010 7:10PM
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ChrisSkisChronic
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It really depends if you want a charging or more jib friendly pow ski. Prophet 130s and Bents are pretty much as opposite as you can get in a 130 waist ski.
Dec 1 2010 7:26PM
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grambo
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Czar will be the most versatile by far. Not sure why you'd want the Prophet 130, it's unnecessarily huge and with only slight rocker (but in my opinion so is the Hellbent if you ski at a resort). HB is good if you hit BC booters a lot I guess. If you need hard snow performance (like anyone who skis in bounds does) the Czar is your best bet. Skiing icy sections of chutes is not fun on a huge ski with rocker.
Dec 1 2010 7:38PM
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moliverallen
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are the 2010 czars very stiff and stable?
Dec 1 2010 9:31PM
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zbphoto
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Obsethed's would be a good option if your looking at hellbents. Same rocker profile, but stiffer, and a skinnier waist at 117mm.
Dec 1 2010 9:37PM
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moliverallen
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i can get a good deal on these which is why im looking at these guys...
Dec 1 2010 9:39PM
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EthanH*
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Bents!

I love mine. They handle most everything well. Obviously excel in powder, but I find them fun on the groomers also. If your going fast on groomers, then they would probably be a bit to flexy. But if your just skiing around in and off of groomers and whatnot, there fun skis.
Dec 1 2010 9:46PM
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HiTz
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Czars will be the most versatile, at your weight i'd rule out the hellbents
Dec 1 2010 10:24PM
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ski_ENDUB
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I would look into the bentchetlers over the czars. while the czars are definitely decently stiff they're only 111 (114 on the 190) underfoot. I would probably look into the obsethed too as someone previously mentioned. And if you were to wait a year the Rocker2's are gonna be a hot ski next year
Dec 1 2010 11:29PM
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M1X
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Co for Armada jj's
Dec 2 2010 10:19AM
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tall_t
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salomon 2012 is good for pow groomers and park. check out the armada arg for deep pow
Dec 5 2010 12:05PM
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J.DUKE
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no
Dec 5 2010 12:08PM
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GNARBARSTAR
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check out surface new life and one life!
Dec 5 2010 1:19PM
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JakobS
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You clearly have absolutley no idea of what you want, since the three skis you are mentioning is probalbly as diffrent from each other as they possibly can be..
Dec 5 2010 1:30PM
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iffe
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Or maybe some Afterbangs?

No but really, you're a pretty big dude and Hellbents are really soft. Probably not the best combination.
Dec 5 2010 1:34PM
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Banane.
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Salomon rocker 2 if you find them, but out
Dec 5 2010 1:43PM
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tripnip
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they are r realy stiff ski ment for big mountain, also you can take them on hard pack without any problems
Dec 5 2010 2:31PM
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JakobS
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Be aware though, the Czar's is made for off-piste specifically ,the turn radius for Czar 190cm is 55m. They will work on hardpack, but there is absolutley no carving down the groomers on them!
Dec 5 2010 4:07PM
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HiTz
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Turn radius on pow skis is overrated... Somehow Nordica Radicts radius is 22m, i find that hard to believe at 127 underfoot.
Dec 5 2010 5:32PM
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rozboon
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Hellbents are just heaps of fun anywhere except concrete hardpack. You find yourself looking for stupid stuff to try and bulldoze, just for a laugh... it doesn't have to be a 12"+ day for you to have an awesome time on them. Just my take though.
Dec 5 2010 6:24PM
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moliverallen
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got the 192 bent chetlers thanks guys!
Dec 5 2010 6:51PM
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The_District.
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Nordica Radicts
Dec 5 2010 7:46PM
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JakobS
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Obviously you don't know how the whole turn radius thing works..
Dec 5 2010 10:47PM
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iffe
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Was going to post this exact same thing. EP Pros are 127 mm and have a 16 m radius.
Dec 6 2010 3:01AM
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Willard
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prophet 115
Dec 6 2010 12:51PM
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dangerdad
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Those are 3 very different skis.

Hellbent: Powder ski. Good for backsountry jumping/jibbing and skiing powder. Pretty soft and def not intended for groomers

130s: Pretty much just early rise in the tips. Pretty versiatile ski for a 130 waist, stiffer than bents and much more skiable on more demanding terrain.

czar: The only true all mountain ski out of the three. Pretty good more most stuff.
Dec 6 2010 1:24PM
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schmies
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I actually take my HellBents to rail turns on groomers, ha. They work. Somebody mentioned 200 lbs being too big for the ski, which is completely incorrect. I'm 6'2' and about 195 and they are dope.
Dec 6 2010 4:26PM
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JakobS
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Yes, they are dope at groomers, just not when it's frozen outside!
Dec 6 2010 4:52PM
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schmies
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Firm and icy days they stay in their cage where I starve them like pit bulls.
Dec 6 2010 7:25PM
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AGOF
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+k for lulz

Dec 6 2010 8:27PM
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AJizzle
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U've obivously never skied the czars and/or don't ski fast enough to get a fat ski like that to set a decent edge. While they are a pow ski, and don't carve very well, they will carve on groomed, esp soft groomed. They are a great ski for about 80% off trail 20% groomed, just don't take them out on an icy day and u'll have a great time with them
Dec 6 2010 8:58PM
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