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An Armed Student is Holding a Classroom Hostage in Wisconsin

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danbrown
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Sorry to pull a Gnartron, but this is pretty crazy. One of my friends just sent it to me.

http://www.foxnews.com/us/2010/11/29/armed-student-reportedly-holding-high-school-classroom-hostage-wisconsin/
Nov 29 2010 7:05PM
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ryano
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last time i checked murder was illegal... that doesnt stop people from killing.



outlawing guns isnt gonna stop people from having them either.

people like you are city kids who dont know anything about firearms. you're an idiot if you think outlawing guns is going to stop people from using them.
Nov 29 2010 7:58PM
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ORDEAL
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GO ahead. Just dont get cocky or shit.




Also, giving everyone a gun would most likely result in massive firefights
Nov 29 2010 7:59PM
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Black-Bandanna
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You are fucking retarded, stereotypical ignorant kid.



With that said, I hope this shit gets resolved.
Nov 29 2010 8:01PM
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Barefootin_Fiend
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you do realize that less than 100 years ago, one of the reasons the US mainland wasn't invaded by the japanese was because the japanese leaders feared that they would face an armed country with guns in every home?

Admiral Isoroku Yamamoto - “You cannot invade the mainland United States. There would be a rifle behind each blade of grass.”

don't be so quick to forget. don't be so willing to throw OUR rights out the window.

regardless, i hope this all turns out well and this kid can get the help that he obviously needs.
Nov 29 2010 8:11PM
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Static
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i hope he blows his brains out on tv
Nov 29 2010 8:13PM
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PowSkierCO
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- Police say an armed student is holding 23 other students and 1 teacher hostage inside a high school in Marinette, Wis.


Nov 29 2010 8:24PM
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ryano
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thank you.
Nov 29 2010 8:26PM
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.jr
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I swear I just noticed you posting like a week ago, and I already hate you. Guess what, I'm from Kentucky. And I bet we have more to fucking do here than sit on NS all day and make pointless ass elitest comments and play transformice.

Woozy, you really think 15 year old shit heads like this kid should be allowed to carry a gun? Fuck that, there isn't a chance in hell I would go to any school if guns were allowed. There's so many emotionally unstable kids in college and especially middle school/high school. At best I can see giving teachers guns, but you know that would turn into a huge shitstorm the first time a teacher pointed a gun at a harmless kid.
Nov 29 2010 8:29PM
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vailsux.com
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freedom is often the undoing of most living creatures.
Nov 29 2010 8:30PM
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ryano
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from MN, almost as far north as you can get in the states.
Nov 29 2010 8:35PM
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CassiusClay
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Depends on how you see it/where you're from.  If in the place that you're from a bunch of kids carry guns I would imagine you too would wish it was legal to carry one. 
Nov 29 2010 8:43PM
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TheReverend
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Oh. Yeah, Abolish gun rights.



WAIT

if everyone can't own guns, then only people breaking the law will have them...
which means criminals own guns, and law abiding citizens don't...
THAT seems fair enough.
Nov 29 2010 8:49PM
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SCOO-WOOP
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Define "qualified".

There are plenty of 18 year olds that are just as emotionally unstable as 15 year olds.
Nov 29 2010 9:03PM
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captainEMERICA
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This has nothing to do with the Second Amendment. It has something to do with poor gun regulation. The two are very different issues. I believe in the 2nd Amendment, we should have the right to bear arms.
Nov 29 2010 9:06PM
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.jr
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I never said I don't think teachers shouldnt have guns, but it will never happen, nor do I really want it to.

So you think 18 year olds should be allowed to carry. So what you are saying is that only some kids in high school can carry, and the others can not? What gives one kid the right to defend himself and the other not, if they are at the same intellectual level?
Nov 29 2010 9:09PM
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captainEMERICA
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People think that guns, as dangerous as they can be, are inherently more dangerous than they are, I would like to site the Availability Heuristic in proving this. The Availability Heuristic states:

"The Availability heuristic is gauging what is more likely based on vivid memories. The problem is individuals tend to remember unusual events more than everyday, commonplace events. For example, airplane crashes receive lots of national media coverage. Fatal car crashes do not. However, more people are afraid of flying than driving a car, even though statistically airplane travel is safer. Media coverage feeds into this bias; because rare or unusual events such as medical errors, animal attacks and natural disasters are highly publicized, people perceive these events as having a higher probability of happening."

I think that because the media rarely does big press stories like this (not to say that this school hijacking is not news worthy) on how Mr. Jones used his gun to stop bandits from robbing his house or Ms. Smith used a gun to stop the man that was trying to rape her. I feel that we, as Americans, have the right to bear arms. As a great man once said “If the Government doesn't trust us with our guns, why should we trust them with theirs?” Guns offer us the abillty to protect ourself in situations when our government is not there to.

Is the gun regulation lacking perfect? Not by a long shot, should that kid have gotten his hands on a gun? No, but that is not the fault of the 2nd Amendment, I am sure if he really wanted to get a gun and do what he is doing to his school he would find a way to. The 2nd Amendment is trust that our government is offering to us, and we must respect that trust by using our guns proporly and getting our elected statesmen to lobby for better gun regulation, witch is the real issue at hand.


I am 18 and live in Mass.

Nov 29 2010 9:25PM
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DrStrangelove
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there is no 2nd amendment right for minors to purchase guns, and as far as i know it's illegal for anyone under 18 to wield a firearm in any situation without adult supervision, so even with the 2nd amendment everything about this is still illegal. and last time i checked, the 2nd amendment was meant for law abiding citizens, and using a gun in commission of a felony voids your 2nd amendment rights forever, so when this is all said and done this kid will not be allowed to purchase a gun for the rest of his life.

so please, dont shit on the 2nd amendment, it's one of my favorite amendments.

Nov 29 2010 9:33PM
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futbol
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It's over. The Marinette police chief doesn't know anything about it yet, and he's the police chief...

Press conference begins at 9:30, not sure if it's eastern or central time.

Nov 29 2010 9:33PM
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.frenchy
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What was the post that got deleted?

And this is really sad to hear, hope everyone is safe and the armed student gets beaten.

Nov 29 2010 9:35PM
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pmw
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you called?
Nov 29 2010 9:39PM
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ORDEAL
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Well played
Nov 29 2010 9:40PM
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DrStrangelove
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i posted without reading further, so my point above has already SORT'VE been made...

but woozy, i think you should stand down on the whole high school gun rights thing. ive been involved in some pretty heated debates at my law school over whether college kids should be allowed to carry at school, and ive got to say it's a pretty sticky topic.

as pro-gun as i am, i think you have to draw the line at high school kids being allowed to concealed carry. theyre just too volatile and prone to snap decision making. i BARELY think it should be allowed on college campuses, and even then there should be pretty tight rules about it. high school TEACHERS should be allowed under certain circumstances, but definitely not students.

i really dont think this conversation should continue, it's just irrational...and again, I AM A HUUUUUGE pro-gun person, and they DO NOT belong in the hands of high school kids AT SCHOOL under any circumstances
Nov 29 2010 9:41PM
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MitchPee
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So by your logic every country should have a nuclear weapon? It's the same deterrent policy that you are trying to pitch.

You also need to consider the following scenario: Mugger mugs someone and the person being mugged has a gun. He pulls out the gun and gets shot, in the gunfight another person is shot. Although rare, there are hundreds of these scenarios that easily escalate because of the presence of two guns instead of one.

The kids who shoot up schools and why we have such a phenomena of troubled kids reaching out is because there is such a blatant outlet for their rage that everyone can hear. The media makes these people national headlines. Would the Columbine killers have done it if they knew they would get no fame out of it? That is ultimately what every psychologist has determined their behaviors ultimate goal was. Otherwise they probably would have committed suicide and only punished themselves.

I am not for the removal of all weaponry or guns. I think it is too ideologically entrenched in our heritage to completely do without. However, to say that if everyone had a gun the world would be a safer place is just asinine. You can pull far-fetched examples and flaw ridden historical examples all day, but the mere suggestion of it with our current socio-structure is just absurd. One word: context.
Nov 29 2010 10:39PM
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SONlC
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Hostages were released

Nov 29 2010 10:42PM
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AHSkier
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Keep in mind that this is fox news and if you have ever seen family guy you know that they are all lies
Nov 29 2010 10:45PM
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Muhammad
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How anti-climactic!
Nov 29 2010 10:45PM
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futbol
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What the FUCK. The kid who did it all is apparently 15 years old.
Nov 29 2010 10:58PM
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Ian.Ham
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I am from montana so of course I own guns/hunt, etc. But allowing High school kids to carry guns at school is foolish. You couldn't have a safe/comfortable learning environment with guns in the building. Also in my psychology class we discussed how throughout the teenage years the brain is still developing including the part of the brain that deals with weighing consequences and thinking of long term effects. It is proven that it is harder for teenagers to make good decisions due to the fact that their brains are simply not finished. Not saying it explains every dumb decision but it would definitely not be a good idea to give them guns at school.
Nov 29 2010 11:05PM
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deleted5
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MOTHER FUCKING AWSOME
Nov 30 2010 1:46AM
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Static
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meh, one or two dead is better than 30
Nov 30 2010 1:52AM
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Mezmerize19
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Emotionally Unstable 18 year old here. Guarantee if I had a gun I would have shot myself by now. I dont trust myself
Nov 30 2010 1:53AM
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Dustin.
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I can stop right here and dismiss the argument.  It's beyond ridiculous.
Nov 30 2010 1:54AM
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dbstar
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You can argue all you want but its your twisted gun laws and surrounding culture that are at the root of this problem. Arguing against that point is a good example of an ignorant, non factually based statement that seems to echo throughout American politics. There is a reason why the United States has the highest murder rate per capita out of the entire first world.
Nov 30 2010 2:04AM
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RubberSoul
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this is not true. prove me wrong.

i'm not getting into the gun argument but that quote is unsubstantiated and no one can find any evidence that he ever even said that, let alone that it had anything to do with saving us from a mainland attack in world war 2
Nov 30 2010 2:14AM
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Trollolo
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I hope one of the other students or a prof has a gun..
Nov 30 2010 9:24AM
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hauser
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Damn ++ vibes to everyone
Nov 30 2010 9:31AM
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futbol
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The gunman died

Nov 30 2010 2:17PM
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cobra_commander
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Uhh, don't miss, and use LP rounds. I would not have a problem shooting a gunman in a highschool. That said I can control my emotions, and am willing to pull the trigger. There are way to many people who are not willing to shoot, especially to kill. High schoolers have to many emotions running around to be safely armed. Teachers on the other hand should have the option of having a weapon at school.
Nov 30 2010 4:25PM
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7-11_Slurpee
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Scary stuff, about 1/2 hour away from me.
Nov 30 2010 4:39PM
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VT_FLO
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That's whack, teachers should have guns
Nov 30 2010 4:53PM
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7-3instacall
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We should ban guns and bombs and take out swords and arrows and shit.
Nov 30 2010 5:07PM
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vailsux.com
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What is that reason? I am sure you can narrow it down to just one. It would simple. It's not like the U.S. is not the most diverse country in the world.
Nov 30 2010 5:22PM
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Gretchen.
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Yeah this was all over our local news here in Wisconsin.. What's weird is that the kid never threatened any of the kids inside, never said why he was doing it, and carried on conversations and laughed with the other students during the whole ordeal.  It's sad that this happened but thankfully everyone was okay, and to bad no one was able to help this kid before it got to this point.
Nov 30 2010 6:29PM
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Sit
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Most world leaders that had the same manufacturing capacity as the US did, in the buildup to WWII, would make sure that they were an armed country with guns in every home. Mr Isoroku Yamamoto didn't think, "Fuck, they have a right to keep and bear arms, I'm not going anywhere near that fucking hellhole." The only thing it's protecting you from is your own people, and there are far better ways to deal with the deep rooted problems of society than give everybody a gun.
Nov 30 2010 7:20PM
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blatt
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they actually did attack us mainland. on the oregon coast
Nov 30 2010 7:22PM
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yojimbo
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this thread really digressed huh. well if anyone cares heres the followup story

http://www.cnn.com/2010/CRIME/11/30/wisconsin.hostage/index.html?hpt=T1
Nov 30 2010 7:37PM
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