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TSA and the Government is out of control!

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PowSkierCO
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Our government is a joke. Read the story below....

DENVER -- A California man who refused a body scan and pat-down search at a San Diego airport has become an Internet sensation in the debate weighing fliers' security versus their privacy.

John Tyner posted a cell phone audio recording of his half-hour encounter Saturday at Lindbergh Field.

The software engineer couldn't board a flight after he refused a full-body scan that reveals an image of what's under his clothes. He also wouldn't allow a Transportation Security Administration worker to conduct a groin check. Tyner tells the worker, "If you touch my junk, I'm gonna have you arrested."




Tyner recorded audio of the whole 30-minute incident with the TSA on his cell phone's video camera.

According to the recording, a female supervisor explained the groin check and told Tyner, "If you're not comfortable with that, we can escort you back out and you don't have to fly today."

"OK, I don't understand how a sexual assault can be made a condition of my flying," said Tyner.

"This is not considered a sexual assault," replied the female supervisor.

"It would be if you were not the government," Tyner said. He then added, "I'd like only my wife and maybe my doctor to touch me there."

Tyner's blog says he left the airport -- but only after being threatened with a lawsuit and $10,000 fine for leaving the security area without finishing the screening process.

A man with no connection to Tyner, Brian Sodegren, started a website that suggests that the public purposely request pat-downs the day before Thanksgiving -- a move likely to clog security checkpoints on the busy travel day.

"It's the day ordinary citizens stand up for their rights, stand up for liberty, and protest the federal government's desire to virtually strip us naked or submit to an 'enhanced patdown' that touches people's breasts and genitals in an aggressive manner," his "Opt Out Day" website proclaims.

"We do not believe the government has a right to see you naked or aggressively touch you just because you bought an airline ticket," Sodegren said.

Homeland Security Secretary Janet Napolitano and TSA Administrator John Pistole defended the new practices on Monday, saying such moves are necessary to protect the flying public.
Nov 15 2010 7:16PM
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Dhane
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it really is a double edged sword. i can totally appreciate not having my junk touched and enjoying my privacy at the airport, but the fact that if one out of every 1000 may prevent another terrorist attack is worth it. or am i living in fear? idk anymore
Nov 15 2010 7:19PM
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hoodratz47
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there not performing prostate checks on you?  get over it.. flying sucks. i fly all the time.
Nov 15 2010 7:24PM
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_MNice_
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completely agree with you. It is the balance of privacy and security. I think the full body scanner is a great alternative to groin checks. Much less personal and much more professional.
Nov 15 2010 7:25PM
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fujarome
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haha request pat downs before thanksgiving? TSA employees are the ones who work on shifts, and go home at a certain time. Passengers are the ones who are going to miss flights, get there late, and ruin their thanksgiving. So go ahead and request a pat down to clog security.

TSA is joke, but not because some guy refuses security searches. Purely by the way it's run.

Watch the documentary "Please Remove Your Shoes." Done by a guy my father plays softball with, and they reveal how the TSA could be run extremely effectively, but poor decision making and bureaucracy has run it off course.
Nov 15 2010 7:25PM
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wolvmatt
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They should be though.  You never know what kind of sketchy shit people are hiding in their rectum.

Nov 15 2010 7:27PM
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vandersteeze
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Exactly. This guy is a major douche and just doesn't want someone to see that he actually has no genitals. Fuck him
Nov 15 2010 7:30PM
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r0dubs
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i really don't mind, as long as it keeps the terrorists and the russians away
Nov 15 2010 7:48PM
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T.L.
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How can you guys maintain such a servile attitude towards this absurd invasion of your privacy? These machines take detailed photographs of your genitals so that a stranger can look at you. When creepy motel owners put cameras in rooms and get caught they go to jail!!! The only difference here is that you're being told that if you OBEY, the boogie man won't get you.

Not only is that bad enough but if you refuse, the same type of strangers have permission to fondle you!

Nov 15 2010 9:01PM
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geteducated
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when the government says its necessary to see your genitals, the terrorists have won.
Nov 15 2010 9:05PM
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jblaski
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Please, remind me of a time that an Islamic radical terrorist attempted to kill 100's or 1000's of people by sleeping in a shady motel room.

If a machine takes a picture, or some dude feels up my legs, in trade for me knowing that my plane isn't going into the White House, I'm all for it. It's not like these TSA people are getting off by looking at these scans. Think of all the disgusting fat slobs at the airport that they get to see or feel.
Nov 15 2010 9:09PM
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vandersteeze
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Man these are pretty fuckin detailed.

Click for larger image Your face is even blurred out. Whoop dee fucking doo. Ill take probably the biggest innovation in transportation in the past 100 years for a little less privacy. You can crawl if you like
Nov 15 2010 9:12PM
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Brenone
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It is a double edged sword and Im not sure how I feel about the idea.
But whats not helping my decision to agree with the bodyscanners is the degenerate $10.00 an hour TSA employee that is handling the body scanner. TSA employees aren't highly trained Gov't officers.
I've watched TSA employees confiscate peoples liquor and put it on the side "because I drink that shit, Im taking it home."
A friend of mine is a Customs agent at JFK and he tells me some fucked up stories about the shit they catch TSA workers doing there. Im sure it goes on at airports all over the place.
Nov 15 2010 9:12PM
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geteducated
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the terrorists have won.

comfortable with giving up your privacys for a sense of security. that's the trademark of a subservient population.

what are the odds that the day you fly on a plane is when some dude has his ass cracked packed with c4? virtual zero. and yet you still feel its okay to give up your privacy.
Nov 15 2010 9:13PM
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vandersteeze
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Man these are pretty fuckin detailed.

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Your face is even blurred out. Whoop dee fucking doo. Ill take probably the biggest innovation in transportation in the past 100 years and some more security for a TINY little bit less privacy. If you choose not to, well sucks for you.
Nov 15 2010 9:13PM
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Dhane
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haha, im from NJ, JFK airport is perhaps the biggest check mark on our already impressive list of things to hate about NJ. I rarely fly, but when i do i make a point not to go there. its downright filthy.
Nov 15 2010 9:43PM
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Brenone
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JFK is the worst with Laguardia & Newark in a race for second worst.

I've been taking Amtrak to places lately. It takes a little longer but its so much more relaxing.
Nov 15 2010 9:49PM
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Chompo.
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lol this
Nov 15 2010 9:53PM
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skithesprings
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who gives a fuck? i figure its more awkward for the dude that has to grab my balls than it is for me.
and i really dont care if some dude in another room gets to see my junk. if it means some fucking idiot cant get on the plane with a gun/knife then i'm all for it.

hell, next time i fly i might rock a NRB just for awkwardness when i get scanned or patted down. just give a creepy smile and a wink when they look at you.
Nov 15 2010 9:54PM
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factory81
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Those photos are not even close to as detailed as some of the better advanced imaging technologies the TSA calls it.

You can opt out and be groped instead. I think I am going to opt out just because I think it is slightly odd that someone needs to see my cock and balls to board a plane. BUt at the same time someone has to grope me. its an invasion of privacy. i think this digs way too deep.

flyertalk.com is all up in a tissy about this. Girls are obviously preferred to go through these "nude-o-scans"..............


Who wants to look at cock and balls all day
Nov 15 2010 9:57PM
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skiminnesota
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stirring the pot.

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trolololo


its a muslim women frisking a nun.
Nov 15 2010 9:58PM
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XtRemE11
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exactly, we are a bunch of fucking pussies. willing to give up our rights/freedom/privacy for a little sense of security. i fly a shit ton and i would be completely fine with the increased risk to not have to give up my rights. but this is hardly even close to a free country any more, this is just one of sooo many ways we give up our freedom because we have all turned into a bunch of vaginas.
Nov 15 2010 10:00PM
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five0
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I'm trying to find the story of the pilot from down south that refused the full body search too and went through quite an ordeal.  I'm having trouble finding it but I did find this one where they confiscate pudding and miss a folding knife.

http://consumerist.com/2007/08/tsa-confiscates-pudding-misses-knife.html
Nov 15 2010 10:01PM
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J.DUKE
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Those who would give up Essential Liberty
to purchase a little Temporary Safety,
deserve neither Liberty nor Safety.

Ben Franklin
Nov 15 2010 10:03PM
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StevenR
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There was a thread about the issue of the body scanners and what not a while ago, and I'm going to post basically what I posted in that thread.

I dont see what the big deal is. If your a dude, you have a dick. If your a girl, you have boobs and a vagina. Its not like you would be letting some big secret out of the bag. unless you were actually a tranny, in which case its still just a dick or a vagina. I actually think the scanners are awesome. I wanted to go through the one in SLC but my friends and i accidentally went to the wrong security place and didnt feel like walking to it. But honestly, I think our society is too uptight about this stuff in general. Why do human bodies have to be seen as taboo? At the risk of sounding like an exhibitionist, which I'm not, I honestly think that nudity should be one of the LEAST taboo things in society.

Besides, your telling me that now when I am waiting in line at the airport I get to have naked pictures taken of me and I get my balls fondled, and its a security measure? I fail to see the negative aspects of this...Just means the airport will be more fun now.

Nov 15 2010 10:05PM
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factory81
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each one of those scanner things that you see costs an estimated $166k to $200k+

Michael Chertoff presently works for Rapiscan who is one of 2 manufacturers of these imaging machines. Michael Chertoff's job before working for Rapiscan....... he was the secretary of homeland security under george w. bush............


these are your tax dollars.
Nov 15 2010 10:05PM
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vandersteeze
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Well thank god we bought imaging equipment that was "extremely detailed" according to you. Imagine if our money was ripped off to buy crappy imagers?!?
Nov 15 2010 10:11PM
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five0
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Read this story: should take like 10 minutes.

http://www.expressjetpilots.com/the-pipe/showthread.php?39523-Well-today-was-the-day
Nov 15 2010 10:12PM
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Utard
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It's not an invasion of privacy you fucking consent to it when you walk through the security checkpoint. Look. You're not special. 3 billion+ other people in this world have essentially the exact same body as you. Get over yourself.
Nov 15 2010 10:12PM
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JIBpsy^^
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on a related topic i think its such bull shit that when obama tries to pass a bill for universal health care to be an optoin he gets callled a socialist bin laden blower but when bush passed the patriot act he got high fives and a new car. Giving the government the right to listen to your phone calls is at least 500 percent more socialist than trying to reform the health care system

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Nov 15 2010 10:20PM
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Dhane
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^now why did you have to go ahead and do that.
Nov 15 2010 10:22PM
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jblaski
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God, you people are being bitches about this. Don't like the airport security. Next time you want to go anywhere, get in your car and drive. No problems.
Nov 15 2010 10:30PM
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vandersteeze
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qft
Nov 15 2010 10:36PM
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reverendwrong
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New alternative, Put a cucumber in your shorts before going through the scanner....really throw em for a loop
Nov 15 2010 10:39PM
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Uncle.Badness
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Seriously, fuck the government, anarchy all the way.
Nov 15 2010 10:40PM
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five0
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the way our society is it wouldn't surprise me if someone did that and it made national news, even if it was just a joke.  people could then say "people aren't taking the security measures seriously enough, we need to make them stricter." 
Nov 15 2010 10:45PM
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r0dubs
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people flipped shit at bush for that i thought.................


though i am quite uneducated on the subject
Nov 15 2010 10:50PM
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pomme-de-terre
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i am like the only person in the world who is fucking STOKED on those body scanners. i CAN NOT WAIT to walk through a scanner and watch the person who is using the machine just get wide eyed and call their friends over. like "yo! check this kid out! his dick is fucking HUGE" im gonna step into the scanners field, wink at the TSA people and strike a fucking pose. like BOOM.TSA agents are gonna be fainting and shit, just staring my dick down like "mother of god..." then on my way out im gonna crack some well-rehearsed joke about weapons of mass destruction hiding in my pants or being able to carry more than 8oz of fluid or some shit.
Nov 15 2010 11:06PM
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five0
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weapon of ass destruction, there ya go.
Nov 15 2010 11:11PM
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thugaim
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"They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety." - Franklin
Nov 15 2010 11:17PM
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RubberSoul
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i dont really see what the big deal is. i had one of those pictures taken of me at the airport couple weeks ago, tried to p a b for them
Nov 15 2010 11:18PM
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threejay
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If you currently want to fly in the united states you are required to either walk through a machine who's radiation effects have not been tested or be groped by a minimum wage tsa employee. In case you think those who are concerned about these machines are overreacting



Nov 15 2010 11:31PM
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vandersteeze
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Exactly. If they made you do this to vote or something then there would be a reason to be pissed
Nov 15 2010 11:49PM
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fujarome
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yea you don't have a right to fly. don't like security? You can take a car or train.

people need to remember that airport security is not something thats existed since sept 12 2001. It's been around for quite awhile. And anyone who does any research can easily discover that before they implemented real security measures, the number of times planes got hijacked was much higher. (Only back then hijacking meant you told the pilots where to land, and gave the authorities a list of demands. Then the police stormed the plane and killed you. It was a classy affair)
Nov 16 2010 4:20AM
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Static
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I'm sick of hearing that crap,
"Privilege, not a Right."

What kindergarten bullshit.

It's actually a business transaction- no more, no less.

Your con is that "freedom" is only for the privileged, and you have convinced yourself into a mental cell.

You are born free, you have no privileges to gain.
Congratulations.
Nov 16 2010 4:32AM
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Mr.Panda
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I have no issues with the scanner thing but if that doesn't show anything do you REALLY need to feel me up?
Nov 16 2010 7:01AM
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pmills
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Nov 16 2010 7:28AM
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PurpleDino
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Exactly.  It's an invasion on personal liberties and what this country was founded for.  Everyone has been turning their heads to what the government does to hurt our liberties and just ignore them.  It's as if being an anarchist or libertarian is taboo now.  I'm sorry that all you people think that safety is more important than personal liberty.  I'd rather be blown up by a terrorist as a free man than being on a plane where a terrorist was caught, but I wasn't free.  You catch my drift? 
Nov 16 2010 10:44AM
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Delphi
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Not ok with the TSA...Governments have always sacrificed liberty in the name of safety...I'm not suggesting that this is tyrannical, but it isn't right either.
Nov 16 2010 11:22AM
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fujarome
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it is a business transaction. And part of that transaction is that you get searched before boarding the airlines' multimillion dollar aircraft.

how is any security legal?

At my job we search people (though not quite as thoroughly obviously) before they're allowed to enter the ballpark. Doesn't matter how much you paid for your ticket or who you know, if you don't let us search you, we deny you entry.

as I said before, the TSA is terrible, but not for those reasons. They focus on the minute details rather than what they should be. A few years ago as part of a test, they put a bomb-like device in a bag, and put a waterbottle on top of it. At (I think, can't remember exact) 5 airports, the TSA found the water bottle each time, but never the bomb.
Nov 16 2010 11:49AM
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