8: The Mormon Proposition

Fuck, I didn't take middle school US history either! I totally forgot that the US wasn't founded by religious refugees who weren't looking to escape the religious persecution they weren't enduring.

First let me say... sorry Arabian:



Go mariners and Red Sox. Fuck Oakland.

no where in the First amendment does it say "separation of church and state" it says that:

Yea but your not going to be happy when the cracked out bus driver is having a psychotic breakdown and your driving over a bridge....hahha whack example but i dont want crack heads to be any more accepted in our culture. at all

GIANTS AAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHA FINALLY OUR TIME HAS COME

well depending where his breakdown took him, we have laws for that already. Whether it's crack induced or stress induced doesn't really matter to me.

You show me where in the Bible it states that God "doesn't like atheists."  Or Jews, muslims, or gays.  God loves everyone, and Christians are supposed to mirror that love.

Separartion of church and state is fabulous.  I wouldn't want to be told that I have to stop believing what I believe by a political authority.

As for being misinformed about what gay marriage is, I believe it would be a same sex couple, given the same rights as a hetero couple, as far as medical rights, tax/financial rights, land ownership, etc. 

As for my lack of knowledge of Leviticus, and that being the "masthead" argument of the religious right.....  In the Old Testament, homosexuality is condemned and called an abomination prohibited by the "law."  Of all the sexual "sin" listed in Leviticus 18, homosexuality is not singled out as being any different or any more worthy of condemnation that any other sexual sin.  The list is long- don't have sex with your mother, your sister, your niece, your aunt, daughter-in-law, sister-in-law, while a woman is on her period, or with anyone else's wife.  No sex with men, no sex with animals.  Basically, don't have sex with anyone other than your wife.

Now, in the New Testament, Jesus came, died, and rose again, negating the Old Testament law by being the ultimate sacrifice, the living testimony of God's love for His people.  Jesus was once asked which commandment was the most important of all?  His response:  love the lord your God with all your heart, with all your soul, with all your mind, and with all your strength.  The second is: Love your neighbor as yourself.

So now, Jesus cancelled the old law, and wrote a new one.  Does that mean that homosexuality is now ok and permissible?  No, because it goes against God's created order.  Paul talks about it in Romans 1.  So, it's wrong, but we (Christians) are supposed to love our neighbors (in this context, homosexuals), as ourselves?  Exactly.  I do not support homosexuality, but I will do far more than tolerate gays and lesbians.  I will love them, as people, as brothers and sisters.  Loving them, to me, does not entail defying my beliefs, most of which are based on the teachings of Jesus and Paul, by voting in favor of gay rights.

Don't call me ignorant, misinformed, a little kid, or be disrespectful to me, because I have done none of these things to you.  I have respectfully disagreed, and shown my reasoning.  I haven't asked anyone to agree with it, or accept it as true.  I've simply shared it. 

If not misinformed about religion, seriously misinformed about the political side of the argument, otherwise you wouldn't have tried to trivialize the passage from Leviticus.

That being said, what you mean is the New Covenant, which is the subject of constant debate among Christians. And yes, the bible favors gays. So why oppose gay marriage?

fuck yea, the guy deserves it.

Jesus needs to get off his fucking ass and help his father's chosen people. If he doesn't they may just jump up and go all Viking rape and pillage across the world.

I am indeed referring to the New Covenant.  And yes, the bible favors gays, just as it favors all sinners, myself included, but despises the sin itself.  Which is why I oppose gay marriage.  Like I said, and, like the bible says: love the sinner, hate the sin.

And I trivialized the passage from Leviticus, because, it doesn't matter to me, at least not nearly so much as the New Testament does.  There are plenty of passages in the OT that are.... outdated, to say the least.  For example, in Deuteronomy, there is a passage that implies it is okay for a woman to cut off a mans junk if he cheats on her.  I doubt that Jesus would condone that.

I oppose gay marriage because I believe that God (the Christian God that I choose to believe in) opposes gay marriage.

Which is contrary to what Christ teaches.

The idea that god cares even the tiniest bit about gay marriage is hilarious to me.

The Church that "represents" the God that you choose to believe in opposes gay marriage.


When I get a press release from God saying that he explicitly rejects gay marriage, I'll believe you.

'bout fucking time.

How is it contrary to what Jesus teaches?  Love the sinner, hate the sin?  The bible states that homosexuality is a sin (Romans 1), something that brings separation between man and God, and that marriage is for man and woman (Ephesians....4?).

I'm not asking anyone to believe what I believe (to you who said "when God explicitly expresses" or however it was phrased).  All I'm doing is justifying my opinion on gay rights, just as you guys are for yours.  Why the hate?  Show me how my logic is wrong, don't tell me that my beliefs are wrong.

The idea that a Giant Wizard in the sky gives a shit about any of us and isn't out for themselves and themselves only is hilarious to me.

By your definition, the "sin" of homosexual relations is adultery.

Let me cite the Parable of the Woman Caught in Adultery:

"He who is without sin among you, let him throw the first stone at her."



If you are without sin, go condemn everyone who you believe and have been told is a sinner. Evaluate yourself first before judging others.

I don't recall condemning anyone.  Did I say, "All homosexuals are going to hell?"  No.  Because I don't believe that.  And trust me, I've got a plank in my eye.  I do my best not to judge anyone.  Not agreeing with someone or not voting for them isn't the same as judging them.

because he put on his robe and wizard hat?

haha. Condemning someone to a life of inequality and leaving them with the knowledge that they will never know full love or acceptance is just as condemning as a death sentence. That's the problem with you people. You think apathy within an oppressive system makes you not guilty of contributing to the problem.

Bow chika wow wow.

This is all stupid. If a guy/guy wants to marry who cares. Law is not the same as the Bible. Just because the Bible says one thing does not mean it has to be a law. Get real you fucking wack ass mormons.

A girl in my speech class gave a speech today about white privileges in america . but it realates to this.

People dont realize that are actually doing something wrong when doing certain actions. The deny the fact that they may be discriminating even though they are in a way.

That probably makes no sense, i just wrote a few papers its late and im tired.

Big_Spencei don't think gays should get married.

date, make out, fuck each other; i really don't care, that's your business. but marriage is something between a man and a wife i don't think a same sex couple deserves that same title or those benefits.

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