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8: The Mormon Proposition

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Shreddysaurus
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Oct 26 2010 1:44AM
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Scrambles
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I like how all of you complain that we are ignorant and won't listen to anything you guys say, but the second we try to express an opinion you tell us to shut the fuck up... hmmm. (also I wasn't saying I was oppressed in any way.)
Oct 26 2010 12:32PM
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Darth_Veeder
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lolololol @ "in the constitution"
Oct 26 2010 12:33PM
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123ski
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While there is freedom of religion in our country the constitution nor any of the amendments say that religion cannot influence the laws of the country. If that were not the case, then the constitution would not even exist.
Oct 26 2010 12:33PM
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GayWolf420
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Fucking religion. How does it work?
Oct 26 2010 12:34PM
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RubberSoul
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this gets more and more hilarious the more you're argued into a corner. youre telling me that you can't see the difference between a man with multiple wives and a man marrying a man?

these slippery slope arguments make no fucking sense and you know it

also, you can't even spell faggot right. and i dont know what youre trying to say with "and in the constitution i have the peruse happiness right?"

youre ruining the sanctity of being a human by being so offensively stupid


Oct 26 2010 12:34PM
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RubberSoul
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hahaha dude youre repeating yourself. i already pointed out the irony of you working against gay marriage and then crying like a kid who lost his lollipop when i explain why your argument holds no water. cry me a river kid

i dont think i once told you to shut up. in fact, ive been begging you to present something resembling an argument for you guys
Oct 26 2010 12:36PM
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Scrambles
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ok. you argue that homosexuality is a sexual preference and nothing more. Beastiality is also a sexual preference. Should we legalize that too?
Oct 26 2010 12:38PM
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RubberSoul
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guess you didn't read the first page. the slippery slope argument holds no water. if you want, i can explain to you the difference between animals and humans and the fact that it's not a linear scale. if you can't distinguish the difference between a human and an animal being in a romantic relationship.. well i dont know what to say. for starters, animals arent nearly as intelligent as humans. they also can't consent to things. they also are a different SPECIES. should i go on? this is absurd
Oct 26 2010 12:41PM
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Big_Spence
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no, i really can't see the difference. to me both are wrong and have no place here in the United States of America.

as previously stated, it's an opinion. you don't have to believe it. i never even asked you to. i simply responded to a thread asking for me to state my opinion.

sorry you and your pole smoking friends don't agree with it.
Oct 26 2010 12:42PM
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ECB
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because its a fucking dog
Oct 26 2010 12:42PM
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Scrambles
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dude it's a fucking opinion, I don't agree with gay marriage. So what? It is my fucking opinion. Not everyone has to agree with the all mighty RubberSoul that could never be wrong, and has an opinion more valid than anyone else's because he talks the most shit. I don't feel like arguing so I'm just going to stop, because this will go on forever, because you ignore any point thrown against you, and provide nothing.

goodbye
Oct 26 2010 12:46PM
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RubberSoul
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hahaha once again, voluntary ignorance. though i'm not sure how hard you have to try when you think "in the constitution i have peruse to happiness" means you have the right to the pursuit of happiness

as previously stated, youre entitled to your opinion but when it's based on absolutely nothing but ignorance i dont see what's so wrong with telling you how wrong you and how stupid you sound


oh, that's a surprise. you called me gay cause i defended gay marriage, how mature and intelligent. makes a lot of sense when i get more pussy than you'd know what to do with while you act like a douchebag on NS and tinychat
Oct 26 2010 12:49PM
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Scrambles
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I did not call you gay. You ignorant fucktard.
Oct 26 2010 12:50PM
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Scrambles
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^lol nvm i thought he quoted me. im outta here. ByE
Oct 26 2010 12:51PM
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RubberSoul
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hahahaha! ive broken down every argument youve offered (a total of maybe 3 arguments) and offered to explain it to you if you want.

keep saying "it's an opinion," that makes a lot of sense when you can't even give one good reason to back it up. i'll keep getting on your case as long as youre still attacking people's lives for no reason.

feel free to stop arguing because it will just make more people realize how defenseless your position is. if you think of something coherent, feel free to try again, i'd seriously love to hear it. i'm eager to hear someone against gay marriage with a brain actually present a good argument
Oct 26 2010 12:52PM
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.catierob
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I cannot believe you are comparing marriage between gays with marriage between humans , dogs and cats, that is just absurd. dog, cat whatever, is not the same as a human, yes they are mammals but they are COMPLETELY different other than that, using that as an example is just ridiculous.The fact that you are comparing them to animals in that manner is simply DISGUSTING. 
Oct 26 2010 12:53PM
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Shaky_Jake
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I think Spencer was just trying to point out that when you change the original concept of an act, such as marriage, who's to stop other people from further changing it. He wasn't comparing gay marriage to bestiality, but merely pointing out a change that could occur far down the road.
Oct 26 2010 1:05PM
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RubberSoul
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we know.. the ole slippery slope argument. we've been over this many times, please refer to Page 1 of this thread and tell me if you have any questions or arguments to what i said
Oct 26 2010 1:10PM
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alex.bgk.
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hahaha
Oct 26 2010 1:17PM
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Arabian.
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Yes he fucking was and you know it. Not only is a dog incapable of signing a legal contract, but it is also not of the same species, nor is it considered a citizen of any country, nullifying your arguments. The idea that a man marrying a dog is on the same level as a man marrying a man on a purely sexual level (which is implied in marriage) shows he's a fucking bigot, and a fucking idiot if he actually believes the shit he just spewed. How the fuck can such latent homophobia be allowed to propagate? And you people buy into this shit? Honestly. Get some fucking sense.

Quoting Big_SpenceClick for larger image from Oct 26 2010 11:57:18:
it's called a fucking opinion asshole, and ours is just as right as yours. you tell us we have no respect but yet you can come and blast us for disagreeing with you? that's called hypocrisy you little shit.

homosexuality is wrong in my eyes. divorce is wrong in my eyes. both of which have brought marriage down to a level where it definitely doesn't mean what it used to even 50 years ago.
And no, you don't deserve an opinion. You're allowed to have an opinion like that if you keep it to your fucking self, but you're kind vote on stupid shit like that, so suck my dick. Calling homosexuality wrong is like calling Blonde hair wrong. Way to be stanced against a latent human trait you fucking idiot. Why don't you just go on and hate moles and fucking chest hair while you're at it you dumb fuck.
Oct 26 2010 1:29PM
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Arabian.
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That was answered in the latest Prop 8 repeal testimonials. The transcripts say the opposition knew that marriages would not be affected, and expert testimony says it's not. The only thing (according to the right's experts) that they have to offer in opposition to gay marriage is moral bias.


Oct 26 2010 1:41PM
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Shreddysaurus
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I think the horse stops itself from changing it anyfurther because the horse cant defend its side, because horses cant talk.

You see the idiocy in the slippery slop argument.


Anyone with Vuze can get the documentary pretty easily. Its pretty mind blowing not only the aspect of how the church sees gays but also how the church runs thing. If you are in the dark about the mormon church this documentary should open the door.

And I hope Big_Spence is trolling
Oct 26 2010 2:20PM
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Profpimpcain
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You keep talking about how the slippery slope argument is invalid... then invalidate it rather than just writing off my argument.



the fact is that lines have to be drawn. Just because you love someone (or something) does not mean you should be able to get married.


please explain to me why gay marriage should be allowed but incestual marriage should not?
Oct 26 2010 2:45PM
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hellomynameisjef
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big spence might be a very subtle troll, or he might be wetahded
Oct 26 2010 2:52PM
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Arabian.
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Oh my fucking god pick up a book. A slippery slope arguments is inherently a fallacy. There's not need to write a response argument. The idea that "oh, if this happens, this will happen" with no evidence put forward nor trends, nor logical thought put behind it is a valid argument is retarded.

And lol at your middle sentence. Why not? Any skin off your back? Why the fuck do you care?
Oct 26 2010 2:58PM
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Profpimpcain
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so then you would agree since (it does not directly affect you) that siblings should be able to marry?
Oct 26 2010 3:02PM
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Shreddysaurus
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the ignorance
Oct 26 2010 3:09PM
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whegrodamus.
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In the mormon religion, black ppl are moabites, a moabite needs to be a mormon for 70-80 years to be able to go to their heaven....
Oct 26 2010 3:10PM
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Campeador
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California is in a great spot when gay marriage is more important than democracy. Its great when activist judges take it upon themselves to create the laws. I don't really care that much one way or the other, but let the voters decide whether they want that shit in their state, not the judges. If a state does not want gay marriage, they shouldn't have to recognize it.

If you're going to call anyone out on prohibiting gay marriage, call out all the black people who voted yes. There aren't enough mormons in California to pass a proposition on their own.
Oct 26 2010 3:14PM
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Shreddysaurus
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Watch the documentary
Oct 26 2010 3:22PM
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powderdrunkie
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mormanism is just as "out there" as any other religion.

you people that are saying "mormon's are retarded" are forming your opinions based on a few select members. Not all of them are like what you're reading/watching. You're gonna get some weirdo's in every religion.

I was raised mormon and I am not retarded. so fuck all of you saying this.

Oct 26 2010 3:29PM
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mason-
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couldnt agree more

there are whackos everywhere. everyone sees some michael moore documentary about mormons and prop 8 and then go ape shit thinking this is what all mormons believe
Oct 26 2010 3:38PM
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Shreddysaurus
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Ive listened to sermons given by your apostles, Ive grown up in a mormon community and I live in Logan Utah which is 95% mormon. I have no hate towards you, but your religion is wack man.

Your prophet speaks to jesus eh?
Your parents pay their tithing right?
Did you know your religion finally let black people join in 1978?
Your religions founders were polygamists no?
What happens if you don't go on a mission?
And most of all panda express is closed on sunday because the owners of the property are mormon! GAAAAAA
Oct 26 2010 3:39PM
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hellomynameisjef
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FALLACIES, FALLACIES, FUCKING FALLACIES

Saying that since event X has occured, in this case, gay marriage, does not imply, in any way shape of form, that event Y (insert apocalyptic, homophobic, fear mongering, irrelevant statement here) will happen.



Oct 26 2010 3:41PM
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powderdrunkie
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I love logan utah. lived there for a year. ski the beav

it wasn't just mormons who had more than one wife. this was a popular practice among a lot of american citizens back in the day.

I didn't go on a mission. nothing happened.

panda express is gross

all prophets claim to speak to god

yes my parents pay 10% of their income to a non-profit organization with their own welfare program that is FLAWLESS.

black men not getting the priesthood until '78 is kinda fucked up. but it's fixed now so...meh

Oct 26 2010 3:43PM
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thesheik
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polygamy isn't a sexual orientation. but really, what gives anyone the right to draw a retarded arbitrary distinction when it comes to legislative prejudice against love?
Oct 26 2010 3:46PM
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Shreddysaurus
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Logan is sick I love it to.
To say it was a popular practice is a little exagerated, if it werent frowned upon during the founding of mormonism joseph smith probably wouldn't have been murdered.

My buddy is on a mission right now, he didnt want to go but if he didnt his family would have been looked down upon quite a bit. So I have a sore spot

You speak blasphemy Panda is GREAT!

yes all prophets claim to speak to god, but mormon prophet claims to be speaking to god.

Your parents pay 10% to the mormon church, no need to sugar coat it.
Oct 26 2010 3:53PM
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*valkyrie*
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I am in complete agreeance with the majority of posters on this thread, gay couples should be able to get married, and have the same rights as hetrosexual couples.

But I am really tired of hearing people use this exact line, or something similar, like RubberSoul did here for the whole pro-gay marraige argument Yeah it sucks and itsn't right that two people who love each other can't get married even though they want to, but gay people will abuse marriage just like straight people - they will lie for benefits, cheat on each other, get divorced etc. Still people like to paint this picture that homosexual love is better and deeper than heterosexual love (which I believe to be absurd) and just gloss over the truth; utimately they are people too just like the rest of us and will behave as such (besdies the obvious difference in sexual preference).

Oct 26 2010 4:16PM
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Trollolo
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Free country, can spend money on whatever you want. Why didn't the queer community donate money too? Balance it out. They said mormons make up 2% of the population, well so do gays.
Oct 26 2010 4:20PM
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thesheik
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Oct 26 2010 4:24PM
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powderdrunkie
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they choose to pay 10%. no one is forced to

if your buddy didn't want to go on a mission, he shouldn't have gone. who cares what people think if you're not into 100% how can you teach people to be. I sacked up and said no. I'm glad I did too.

Oct 26 2010 4:31PM
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RubberSoul
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what?? when did i ever say homosexual love is deeper and better than hetero love in all cases? what i said was a reply to someone claiming that gays would ruin the sanctity of marriage-- i said that thousands of hetero couples already "ruin the sanctity of marriage" by divorcing, cheating etc.

nowhere did i even insinuate that ALL gay couples are perfect. way to completely miss the point of what i said
Oct 26 2010 4:54PM
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RubberSoul
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i dont remember saying all mormons are retarded but i apologize if "fucking mormons" was taken to be an attack on all mormons. i couldnt care less what you believe as long as youre not pulling shit like this anti-gay stuff. sorry!
Oct 26 2010 4:59PM
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jKutcher
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very true. I was also raised mormon and I made the choice to not go on a mission. All my friends went and are now getting back and guess what, they are still my friends!


Oct 26 2010 5:02PM
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RubberSoul
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read the first page of this thread and stop making these stupid replies. youre really asking why gay marriage is different than incest?? i shouldnt even bother responding but for starters it's different because gay people arent related and if they have sex they won't have retarded babies.

i dont know how many ways i can explain to you the slippery slope argument is invalid here. gays getting married is nothing like marrying animals (who, for the third time at least, are not the same species, can't "think" like we can, can't love like we can, can't consent to things like we can, can't have property like we can, etc etc etc) or inanimate objects.

seriously, stop repeating yourself. i have semi-patiently explained why this argument is stupid many times (and i really shouldnt have to explain it even once), and asked repeatedly for a sound argument from you guys. read the thread and stop making the dumbest replies possible, then accusing ME of not refuting your pisspoor arguments. jesus christ
Oct 26 2010 5:05PM
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*valkyrie*
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Ok clam down and I didn't miss your point. Your statement is commonplace in pro-gay marriage arguments "i'd love to see you spew this bullshit in the face of a gay couple who's loved each other for far longer, and loved each other far better than, thousands of the fucks who get married every day," while you didn't say their love is deeper you imply it with the afore quoted statement.  This is a persuasive way to argue for the cause, but at no point during any of your replys do you admit that seeing the legalizing of gay marraige would still produce the same problems and abuses that straight couples face and contribute to runining "the sanctity of marriage," and that's all I was saying.

I am not attacking you on the matter, I agree with you.  I just do not think that is a very vaid argument for gay marriage, you were the first and only person to bring it up, and I wanted to express my opinion.

Oct 26 2010 5:18PM
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McFellon
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if this country was governed by christian law and the bible it would be a total shithole. that is the purpose of the first amendment separation of church and state.
Oct 26 2010 5:19PM
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Ehh...
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Wow, I all I read hear is lack of respect for peoples opinions and ideals. Really it all comes down to what you believe. Not what other people believe etc. Some vote pro some against. People just need to learn to respect both sides because all its going to end up being at the end is a mud slinging war were people are so caught up in it, they tend to forget what they are arguing about;just to prove the other side wrong.
Oct 26 2010 5:22PM
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thesheik
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yeah, but in this case legislating what people "believe" is discriminatory and based in nothing other than silly prejudice. which is basically what the bill of rights is for. you can think that calling the president a neo fascist is wrong but you shouldn't be able to pass laws against it.
Oct 26 2010 5:28PM
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jibbinjess.
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another reason to hate mormons
Oct 26 2010 5:30PM
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