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Two completely different directions

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J..H
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The other day as I was watching B&E muddy winter I had a thought. A thought that skiing was going into two completely different directions. You have guys like Casabon, Henrik, and Hornbeck and then you have guys like Gus, Bobby, and Russ Henshaw. It will be interesting over this next season to see how competition results will differ from prior years and what new styles and new tricks will evolve into. Anyway these are directions that I think are good for skiing, personally I like the style approach better than who can do the biggest trick.

BIG TRICKS


https://www.newschoolers.com/ns/content/viewvideo/id/346553/cat/all/search_string/Russ+Henshaw/

https://www.newschoolers.com/ns/content/viewvideo/id/359594/cat/top/

STYLE

B&E Show Episode 4 - Muddy Winter from Blackout Project on Vimeo.



Brady Perron Park edit from Triceratops on Vimeo.





Just want to know what you guys think about these two different directions.
Oct 24 2010 6:20PM
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Ducky.
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So let me get this straight... gangster and not-gangster?
Oct 24 2010 6:22PM
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dross250
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everything gus does is styley
Oct 24 2010 6:22PM
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thesheik
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henrik throws switch 16's and dub rodeo 10's, he's got some big tricks in his bag. the two don't need to be mutually exclusive.
Oct 24 2010 6:23PM
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munpro
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I like fairly big tricks with style like jossi, but that other video seems like they are trying to be too gangster.
Oct 24 2010 6:28PM
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snowking249
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Its just all about preference
Oct 24 2010 6:28PM
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j.bird
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hahahaa. wow. Funniest thing I have read in a while.
Oct 24 2010 6:32PM
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PartyHon
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very much so
Oct 24 2010 6:32PM
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EmperorKuzco
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what? that was the sickest video i have ever seen
Oct 24 2010 6:44PM
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tacobellslayer
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haha brady perron from slamina =/= bready perron from that edit
Oct 24 2010 7:54PM
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casual
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e-hi-fives.

Sometimes I think we're internet bff's and we like, don't even know it! giggles!
Oct 24 2010 8:01PM
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JustDidIt
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hahahaha its so funny because he doesnt afterbang and rideaway and wear 4xl clothes! who cares if he has some of the cleanest in-air style in the game? i love watching people flail in the air then afterbang!!
Oct 24 2010 8:04PM
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Yung_Gnarley
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So let me get this straight. They all love to ski?
Oct 24 2010 8:16PM
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casual
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a sunny afternoon from goodie pocket films on Vimeo.


Great point, Gus doesn't wear big clothes or afterbang....or huck and tuck pencil 16's when the camera's rollin'.

No real hate to Gus, he's good and has some pretty solid style on some tricks, no doubt, but you're on some bullshit.
Oct 24 2010 8:24PM
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JustDidIt
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because "style" guys don't throw big tricks too



watch :22 and beyond and you'll see some of the cleanest, most stylish tricks out there. watch his non-grabbing hand on the kang, or most of his other tricks as well. it literally doesn't move at all. he has such great in-air style and control, it's ridiculous. just because he can do a dub 16 doesn't mean he isn't stylish
Oct 24 2010 8:40PM
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casual
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^

I didn't make any comments about who is, or is not, a "style guy" or what tricks they do or don't do, so I have no clue what you're talking about, why you posted either of those videos. or what point you're trying to make, nor do I give a shit, run on sennnnntence.

I posted in the original thread about Gus's KOS entry and gave my two cents, so I'm not going to bother running that down again. But, simply, Gus does not have the best air sense, and is certainly not the most stylish skier (even if that's a totally subjective/personal thing, c'mon man).

I was pointing out that Gus is pretty much exactly what you described him NOT to be, and just because he wasn't wearing a tall tee or a fucking huge vest while shooting with MSP (you know, the film company who targets people outside of the 17 year old jibber demographic), doesn't mean he isn't a part and contributor to the same little sub-culture you maligned.

If you're not really talking to me or responding to things that I said, don't quote me.
Oct 24 2010 8:49PM
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A.Eberhard
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Yup that is totally correct.
Oct 24 2010 8:50PM
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J..H
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true i think it would be cool if there was more guys like henrik... really diverse. all he needs is back country... hahah
Oct 24 2010 9:31PM
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j.bird
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hahaha.

And foreal. He does big tricks, and he is a good skier. But I just don't enjoy watching him ski. His landings are all over the place, and his KOS was everything BUT style... It was a spin to win mashup of gross tricks.

I DO like his mute/blunt combo on flat 5's those are pretty ill.

His Rage parts were far from "styley" too. That 3 swap on the down rail in their last movie almost made me turn the movie off.

Oct 25 2010 1:22AM
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j.bird
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lol thanks for posting the same edit again. that TOTALLY changed my mind. Repetition is always a strong argument...

maybe thats why you like Gus' "style" so much, because his tricks are repetitive. Spins, more spins, and more spins. Yay?
Oct 25 2010 1:26AM
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LIL_WAT
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Oct 25 2010 1:37AM
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Ftacnik
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What was that trick at 1:00 on the Brady Perron edit???
Oct 25 2010 1:45AM
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uosdwiSrjewoH
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what an amazingly original thought you had, i am very excited to hear people argue over an irrelevant issue for the very first time
Oct 25 2010 1:55AM
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Heath.
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Contest skiers and video skiers, it has always gone two directions.
Oct 25 2010 1:57AM
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schwinger
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This.

And op I totally get what your saying and i do agree, but keep i mind you will never get a straight answer on this website because 96% of the people on this site are gapers who hide behind stupid ns alias names, so in future don't bother making any legit threads.
Oct 25 2010 2:01AM
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loganimlach
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and their bastard child: the park shoot.
Oct 25 2010 2:04AM
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spk.aurelien
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great thread. style first tech later. style means alot
Oct 25 2010 3:06AM
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Rosbif
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I don't think style and comp runs are mutually exclusive, there are some really stylish comp skiers out there.

Also, with Muddy Winter they were just doing some different tricks that not many people have been trying, that Brady Perron edit in the OP was doing some similar stuff, but in nowhere near as stylish a manner as Casabon and Henrik. Just because you are doing lots of 50-50s, handdrags and blunts doesn't make it 'style' skiing, you have to do them clean as well, and that Perron kid flailed too much for me to consider him stylish.

As for Gus, no he is not the most stylish skier out there, but I would not pick him out as someone without style, and his landings in that KoS video were def not 'all over the place', I for one thought that nose to tail grab was sick.

But anyway, people have been arguing on NS about style vs spins since it first started, it's always going to be subjective, and it's just good that there is diversity and people doing new and different stuff.
Oct 25 2010 4:11AM
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shea.
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Competition results and the tricks judges look for wont change, it'll still be the same in that whoever does the cleanest most technical run will win. As awesome as it would be, i cant see Casabon winning Xgames, we'd all love for it to happen to show the world that side of our sport but you look at other xgame sports and its the same. skating, bmx, snowboarding, the guys who are the most technical will win the competitions and those guys try new things and keeping it styley will dominate video parts. Everyone should do their own thing, if you love going big and throwing huge then be my guest, its dope to see huge technical tricks. But its also sweet to see a more innovative side to things.
Oct 25 2010 8:46AM
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howlongcanausern
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my beads
Oct 25 2010 11:40AM
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RINGSMUTH
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Oct 25 2010 12:00PM
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snomaster
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two directions eh? When I saw the thread title I was thinking big mountain vs. urban... not gus vs. phil.
then I saw contest skiers vs. non contest skiers.
then I remember skiing still has racers.

so how many directions is our sport going?
IT'S TAKING OVER THE WORLD. muhahaha!
Oct 25 2010 12:16PM
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crankdatsoljaboy
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exactly

damn i hate u noobs
Oct 25 2010 12:22PM
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RubberSoul
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threads for lols
Oct 25 2010 12:26PM
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FUUUCK
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quit being so hard on the kid
Oct 25 2010 12:44PM
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gigi.d
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Threads for videos, for when i am not in class.
Oct 25 2010 12:47PM
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Mr_pretzel
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This should end all these threads. Theirs a reason casabon isnt winning xgames.
Oct 25 2010 12:48PM
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marteeno
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Skiing is going in one direction, up. people have different personalities, you can't expect everyone to have the same style; so yeah we have different groups of skier types
Oct 25 2010 1:05PM
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marteeno
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on that note.. we need to embrace all of skiing if we want to continue to progress
Oct 25 2010 1:23PM
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j.bird
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really?

...uhm... why? Should we embrace skiboarders too for "progress"?
Oct 25 2010 1:52PM
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Yung_Gnarley
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YES!
Oct 25 2010 1:55PM
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k-rob
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naw, i think it's more like Tim Durtschi, Sammy Carlson, Sean Pettit, Dana Flahr vs. Tom Wallisch, Ahemt Dadali, Will Wesson vs. Sim Dumont, Bobby Brown, Jossi Wells, Peter Olenick
Oct 25 2010 2:04PM
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thesheik
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*there

but really, you can't really just empirically declare that casabon's steeze is automatically superior to everyone else's there and that the only reason he doesn't win is cause he doesn't have a dub. walker, wallisch, brown, carlson, hatveit, etc. are all incredibly stylish skiers as well, and in a 30 second run, it's really anyone's game, dubs or no dubs. maybe it's true that big tricks count for too much, but casabon's lack of a dub isn't the only reason he doesn't win at x.
Oct 25 2010 3:45PM
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Mr_pretzel
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Thanks for correcting my grammar i need too get better.

And this is what i mean, Andreas does his tricks so smooth but he doesn't wear 5xl so he isn't classified as steeze.

Casabon will still be big in movies/edits why does he need to win x too when he isn't throwing down on the same level as the others?
Oct 25 2010 3:51PM
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Yung_Gnarley
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hahahaha
Oct 25 2010 3:54PM
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Ben.
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solid thread. this has def never been discussed before












ever.
Oct 25 2010 4:24PM
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quixotic
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I'd say that in order to do a double cork 16 (stylish or not), one would have to have very good in-air awareness. He also has many other doubles on lock. You can take any person and put them on a trampoline and tell them to do a flip and they can try it. If you tell them to do a double flip, that takes much more talent and air awareness to know where you are in the air and what you are doing. If you want to argue that it simply takes more talent to double than single, that's true, but, you gain more talent by being more aware in the air.
Oct 25 2010 4:37PM
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hiasleitner
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come on boyz... U totally forgot the pow .. that's what skiing is!!!!
Oct 25 2010 4:59PM
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snomaster
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Dude, you are loosing all your cred by saying something like this.
Have not seen his jap to mute kang or mute to blunt 9 tricks? "Yeah, his air sense is bad and he's got no style."

grow up and get over your hate of gus. He's fucking good.
Oct 25 2010 5:21PM
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thesheik
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end of story. he made that look so much easier than it must be.
Oct 25 2010 5:37PM
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J..H
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I think that this was a dumb, post because Henrik just won a big air contest... he is categorized as style skier. Casabon also does well in x games and can put down a solid run, I think that he will continue to compete, but I think that the judging will have to change because of the different trick choice and style of the competitors, and what style will out weigh what trick, I think it would be cool to see Casabon do really well because of his one of a kind style.
Oct 25 2010 5:42PM
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