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Is France serious?

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BVT802
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Turn on MSNBC and check out the coverage of the reprotests over the retirement age going from 60 to 62 in France....could you imagine if Americans reacted like that when we're told that we might as well forget about ever retiring? Retirement isn't a guaranteed thing here and France is upset that they have to wait two extra years to be lazy and eat and drink all day and pass up daily bathing.....I mean COME ON!

"Many in France consider retiring at 60 a pillar of the country's hard-won social contract – and fear this is just the first step in eroding their often-envied quality of life. Critics say President Nicolas Sarkozy wants to adopt an "American-style capitalist" system. Sarkozy's conservative government says 62 is among the lowest retirement ages in Europe, the French are living much longer and the pension system is losing money." (Dallas News)

Most of our generation will be lucky to retire by the age of 65, if ever. French citizens claim that they will lose years off of their lives because of two extra years of work--bite the god damned bullet!

/Rant
Oct 19 2010 10:43AM
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Static
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no you can invest in your own retirement, only losers and retards end up 65 years old with 5k in the bank
Oct 19 2010 2:40PM
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PacificRimJob
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Yep. Lets throw it all into our stock market too while we're at it. See how far that gets us.
Oct 19 2010 2:41PM
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PacificRimJob
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That's because you only put in about as much as someone in 1954 put into the system...
Oct 19 2010 2:42PM
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CrispyZombyWoof
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france is NEVER serious
Oct 19 2010 2:43PM
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Static
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You have to diversify, at least with stocks there's the possibility you could make money. With SS we are guaranteed to get less out than we put in.
Oct 19 2010 2:44PM
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skiminnesota
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law, order, and most importantly REASON be dammed?

mob rule is the way of the future?


remember you, the individual, are the smallest minority on earth, dont let the collective dictate your rights, your thoughts, or your actions.


rioting is the equivalent of a 2 year old throwing a tantrum in the grocery store because mommy woudnt let Johnny or Susie have a candy bar. or in this case its a ridiculous notion of government backed retirement at 60. either way.
Oct 19 2010 2:45PM
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skiminnesota
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even if you get out 1 more dollar than you paid in. youre still getting SHAFTED by the government.

that money, with interest compounded over say 30-40 years should be worth untold amounts more than what you paid in.
Oct 19 2010 2:46PM
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PacificRimJob
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Like I said. It's France. It doesn't need to make sense to your unworldly American mindset.

It is a temper tantrum... but mommy isnt just saying you cant have a candy bar... mommy's saying you cant have a candy bar after you just mowed the lawn, did the dishes, picked up your room, and did all your other chores, while smoking a cigarette and banging hot french maids your whole life.
Oct 19 2010 2:49PM
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PacificRimJob
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You're getting shafted by yourself...

taxes going into the SS system haven't gone up in decades... meanwhile, the costs of the system have gone up exponentially...

It's not the system that's broke... its fear of taxes, and trying to avoid them by cutting corners by not raising them EVER.

You cant cheat death... you cant cheat taxes... they are constants in life... enjoy them.
Oct 19 2010 2:51PM
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skiminnesota
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so we should remove the cap on payroll taxes?

so everyone making over 107k can get hosed even more?


at the end of the day though Americans need to disavow themselves of this notion that it is the responsibility of others to partially, provide for their retirement.
Oct 19 2010 2:51PM
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skiminnesota
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please.

you know nothing about my wordlyness, or lack of it.

dont turn this into a dick measuring contest.

your analogy has flaws as well, what about the 30 year olds out there rioting? older folks at 60 is more understandable. but the 30 year old hasnt accomplished half of your list.
Oct 19 2010 2:54PM
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PacificRimJob
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We should remove the cap on a lot of taxes... and anyone making over 107k isn't getting hosed as bad as they think... sorry, you dont make enough to go to Tahiti for 3 weeks every year on a 6 figure salary anymore... welcome to the future.
Oct 19 2010 2:55PM
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Mike-O
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I found out a good way to invest for the future:

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You can crawl back to me and maybe get a spoonful of sugar with your pensions, muhaha.
Oct 19 2010 2:56PM
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PacificRimJob
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I was talking about the typical American mindset, and wrote it so it looked like I was attacking you. I apologize. I was not trying to make that accusation.. Just a word fart.

The thing is, not everyone is JUST rioting over the 60-62 SS thing right now in France... There are plenty other issues putting people out into the streets right now... that was just the powderkeg that kicked off the party.

France is like that woman who bottles everything up over the last 3 weeks, and then one night just EXPLODES on you about everything you've done wrong or done to piss her off...

Don't worry though... the makeup sex will be awesome.
Oct 19 2010 2:59PM
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skiminnesota
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so what youre saying is: "i dont have the wherewithal to plan for my future, so take the reigns government"?

Oct 19 2010 2:59PM
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dbstar
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The fact that canada and alot of countries rely on the US has nothing to do with its domestic politics, which was what I was criticizing. Pretty much all of the problems i listed are not Canadian problems but American problems. How does mutual dependency reciprocate into meaning that the US is free from criticism?
Oct 19 2010 3:00PM
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Static
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simpsons did it
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Oct 19 2010 3:00PM
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skiminnesota
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O COME ON!
Oct 19 2010 3:02PM
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Mr.Panda
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I am not saying the States is free from criticism cause there is a lot of stupid shit in this country but the problem I have is when countries call us saying "COME HELP US SAVE THIS COUNTRY!" (the UN with Somalia and shit) we go help, things get fucked, we leave and then the world critiques us for sticking our nose where it doesn't belong.

Shit like that pisses me off.
Oct 19 2010 3:02PM
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PacificRimJob
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I agree... Honestly, if you're going to ask for help, dont be a bitch about how we help lol.


Another reason I support isolating ourselves and staying out of everyone elses business no matter what, for a while... Lets see how awesome of a job china does for a while. (oh wait.... people still believe in the domino theory...)
Oct 19 2010 3:07PM
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Mr.Panda
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Exactly.

Fuck China, let them fuck shit up for a couple years and then everyone will be going "OH USA COME HELP THE BITCHY PMSing FRENCH IN THE UN!!!!!!"

Buddy of mine is in the Marines when the world was whining for the US to go help Darfur:
"Fuck that, I don't want to get killed by a group of people that didn't ask for our help and then get dragged through the streets"
Oct 19 2010 3:11PM
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PacificRimJob
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I dont blame the French for anything... They are what we SHOULD be... not sticking their noses anywhere, but having sweet aircraft carriers with madddd rocker on the front, and are able to go have sweet wargames with other countries on them.
Oct 19 2010 3:16PM
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Mr.Panda
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I say take the military base out of Okinawa. The local Okinawan people (seriously, the people from Okinawa are culturally and ethnically different that regular Japanese main-landers) hate having it there as girls keep getting raped and shit like every weekend.

Outside of that I have no idea. Just don't get involved in the Middle East and Africa. They never want our help so don't go and help. Let them destroy each other.
Oct 19 2010 3:17PM
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PacificRimJob
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Oh no... I didnt forget... That shit's pretty legit. They also have a bunch of sweet tropical islands to roll around on and stick their cig butts in the sand.
Oct 19 2010 3:19PM
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Mr.Panda
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The UN and the French are two different things. Regular French people are generally ok. The UN ones those are a bunch of pussies.

"Will the UN being going in with us?"
"Nope, it's the usual French talk of stall n surrender"
Oct 19 2010 3:22PM
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Ski_the_east01
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lol thank you for the great post in the middle of this shit storm
Oct 19 2010 3:24PM
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PacificRimJob
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By the way... I hate Parisians... They can suck on it hard.

Southern France FTW.
Oct 19 2010 3:27PM
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Mr.Panda
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Most people hate Parisians. Hell, my gfs entire family is from southern France and according to her dad (who, well, is German):
"Parisians are full of a bunch of pompous straight guys that think it's the in thing to be gay and thus walk around with a stick up their ass since they think that's what all gay men do. Too bad the Nazis didn't destroy Paris before the Americans and Brits came to fuck them up."
Oct 19 2010 3:31PM
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PacificRimJob
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Dude.. Parisians are like... if you mixed french people and people from New Jersey, and put them in a really cool European city...


Oct 19 2010 3:41PM
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Mr.Panda
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They got that annoying self-righteous attitude that just pisses me off.

Hell, American and British GIs avoided the city like the plague after they liberated it from the Germans cause the Parisian people were thought to be:
"Liars, cheats, and filthy scumbags"
Oct 19 2010 3:44PM
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PacificRimJob
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That, and who in their right mind would want to be there, when you could be chillin on the beach in Nice and Cannes?
Oct 19 2010 3:47PM
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Mr.Panda
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Fucking chilling on the beach. I am going to the Alps.
Oct 19 2010 3:49PM
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PacificRimJob
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Yeah... but I'm sure many of them were sick of being in the fucking cold and not having twin tips to shred on...
Oct 19 2010 3:50PM
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Mr.Panda
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Oh, I thought you were talking about going yourself.
Oct 19 2010 3:55PM
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PacificRimJob
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No... if it was me, i'd have just ditched off to switzerland and skied the whole war while impregnating half of the country's hot babes with my manjuice...
Oct 19 2010 3:56PM
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Mr.Panda
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Haha.
Oct 19 2010 3:58PM
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BVT802
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I appreciate that this thread has it all: rants, humor, hate, argument and i'm sure someone has cried so it's pleasing to all audiences....I stopped reading all of the content except for some of the reposts by panda and dingo because they've made me laugh the most.


Oct 19 2010 4:24PM
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AB3A
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This.
Oct 19 2010 4:27PM
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p.hawks
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though it does seem that France is being extreme, you have to put it in perspective.
An east coaster would be thrilled with 3-6 inches of powder, but on the west coast this is considered shitty
another example would be that in the US many of us wait until we are 18-22 (ish) to enter a professional field (ie not just a summer job or bagging groceries), but in Africa, people are lucky to live this old. Perspective is always key, but even taking that into account, it does seem ridiculous
Oct 19 2010 5:41PM
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Profpimpcain
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John Locke (who's philosophies were the basis of our government) pretty much said "If the government isnt doing right in the eyes of the people, flip over cars and tear the mother down"




France is just doing what it feels it needs to because of a perceived injustice.


I dont really blame them.
Oct 19 2010 5:50PM
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fujarome
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dont know who to quote...

but yes, southern France is the best. Paris is nice for a weekend or a few days now and then, but otherwise get outta there.

And to anyone who mentions shit about France surrendering etc....first off, France has been fighting and winning wars since before anyone even know north america even existed. So no, the US doesn't quite have the military history of france. And had germany been next to the US, the entire country would have been taken in weeks in 1940. Does anyone know why? Isolationism. USA barely had a standing military. And i still find it a bit hilarious how in one argument, people say "we have no right to be in iraq! it's so stupid, we need to get out of there. The french are stupid fucking pussies for not going in!"


and yes, flipping over cars and lighting them on fire is how shit gets done in France. At 1 end of a street the winning fans of a soccer match will be flipping cars, at the other the losers will be. In the middle muslim youths will be, and somewhere along the street will be the anti-whichever politial party people flipping cars. It's as french as the eiffel tower. Bored? Need to protest? Grab some matches, gas, and get your car flipping gloves.
Oct 19 2010 6:36PM
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Dhane
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hey! you leave new jersey out of this!
Oct 19 2010 6:41PM
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fujarome
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everyone also forgets about how the FFL was "forced out of algeria."

The FFL isnt in algeria in the same manner in which the CIA never has secret prisons, guantanamo bay inmates are never tortured, and the FBI is always honest.

its been asked before...how you would go about assaulting an entire base held by the foreign legion? Back in the day, something like 5 remaining FFL soldiers led a bayonet charge against 3k mexican soldiers.
Oct 19 2010 6:42PM
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jibbinjess.
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this makes sense, i mean they were raised to believe these things, it's not like theyre whining
Oct 19 2010 6:43PM
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fujarome
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i think the only reason the US would have lasted a bit longer is because of size. Invading the us is like going into russia. It's just enormous. They can keep moving away from you for months while retaining a decent strength force. But the us had neither the production capabilities nor standing army to put up a huge fight.

plus France had already seen a huge portion of their country absolutely obliterated beyond all belief 23 years earlier, so they didn't want a repeat of that.
Oct 19 2010 6:47PM
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MitchPee
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This is precisely why the individual egotistical mentality doesn't work.

People make mistakes, it's as blatant as that. Obviously people should have control of their actions but collectively people learn from mistakes individuals won't always do that.

This is why you need a two tone system. The Ayn Rand style of individualism is complete and utter garbage. Think about any example. Two people are in a scenario. Are you going to run a risk that jeopardizes their safety for something meager? Let's say you take a financial risk in a partnership and turn out wrong. Your individual actions cause both to be harmed. Obviously this makes you think twice. There are much better and many more examples but this is the only off the top of my head. Collectivism can be good and it can be bad. The individual can be right or wrong and either hardly learn from their mistakes.
Oct 19 2010 6:49PM
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MitchPee
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Contradicted myself there, whoops
Oct 19 2010 6:50PM
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fujarome
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as asked....

The Foreign Legion has it's roots in Algeria. Basically when it was founded, foreigners werent allowed in any French forces, as in the past, they usually had sucked and barely had training. So they made them their own branch because there was an influx of foreigners at the time. It was founded in 1831, and first went to algeria...in 1831.

So needless to say, they trace their roots back there. Of course it isnt well publicized, and quite frankly could be completely false, I have read from various accounts that much of the training still occurs in algeria, despite the fact that its no longer a french colony. This is possible because as soon as you join the legion, you lose your identity. You can't leave, you can't contact anyone outside, and you have no ID, money or any documents. Contrary to popular belief, you can no longer be a criminal and join though.


I'd highly recommend watching "Escape to the legion" the series with Bear Grylls. It's a very narrowed down series showing a quicker training process. Absolutely insane. Any respect i lost for bear from man vs wild was immediately made up for and doubled by this series.
Oct 19 2010 6:55PM
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vailsux.com
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probably the stupidest shit i have heard all month. lets go with your "first off", france won wars when they had the balls to attack, after world war one they said fuck that and became the pussies we know them to be today. Of fucking course the US does not have the military history of France! They are two separate countries with different histories and people, good job on pointing out the obvious. Second there is no way Germany would have been able to take America in weeks, regardless of a standing military our people have the means and resources to organize themselves and would have and will if any country were to invade. Third, there is no argument. We had no right to be in Iraq. We did anyway. Once we occupied Iraq the French contractors wanted in. Total pussies.
Oct 19 2010 7:00PM
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vailsux.com
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completely false. Our people would not surrender.
Oct 19 2010 7:04PM
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