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Armada jj vs. Atomic bent chetler vs. Rossingol s7 vs. Moment night trian

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Chompo.
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Alright, so I'm looking into getting some fat all mount skis with 5 point side cut, that have rocker and camber. I have done some research and found these four skis. I ski Michigan most weekends but get out west for nearly three weeks a year. So I basically want something that can handle pow but still will be able to rip a groomer. I like a poppy playful ski that is softer towards the tail. I am 5'11 150. Please halp. Thanks
Jul 11 2010 5:59PM
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Balto
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completly over kill for skiing where you do most of the year
Jul 11 2010 6:03PM
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Chompo.
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Yeah but my uncle lives in vail and I ski with him like 3-4 weeks a year and I'm sick of renting pow skis, because I had like 5-6 waist deep days this year and my volkl walls weren't cutting it.
Jul 11 2010 6:15PM
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Balto
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oh i see

well then, 186 on3p billy goat
Jul 11 2010 6:43PM
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DUKES
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185 jj
Jul 11 2010 7:11PM
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wazzucrewskier
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i have skied all but the night trains.  after skiing the rest i would probably rank them as follows: 1. chetler 2. s7  3.jj.   I think the chetler pretty much just feels like a more fun less hooky jj.  the chetler seems like a ski that could really be a daily driver.  it is very stable everywhere and can rail on groomed as well.  didn't get to try them much in pow but the dimensions seem to be great for that.  i skied the super 7 (195 version with metal) so it is a little different than the stock s7, but honestly that ski didnt even feel rockered.  it felt like it just had grip absolutely everywhere.  another ski that can rail on groomed as well.  again, didn't get to ski much pow but they seem like they would be great especially with the enourmous tip they have.  jj seemed fun, but it was extremely hooky and felt sketch at speed.  definitely not a ski i would want as a daily driver and just did not seem nearly as fun as the other two.

overall, i would say the chetler takes it hands down, it just seems like an incredible all around ski and could really be fun any day of the week.
Jul 12 2010 12:19AM
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Chompo.
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Alright. So i have decided on chetlers.  Now m question is will 183 work.  Because i found a sick deal on 183's
Jul 12 2010 4:15PM
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Mr_pretzel
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183 is the only length.
Jul 12 2010 4:56PM
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Chompo.
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Oh yeah my bad.
Jul 12 2010 9:30PM
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cbrady
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if that deal falls through on the chets, I would look into the bibbys as well. they are hands down my favorite ski. I own the Night trains as well and the bibby is much more versatile (night train is fun but more chargey). along the lines of the JJ but more playful and all around. 123mm underfoot for MI might be much, but good for those weeks you are west they will be good. The 115mm is just a little less but work everywhere great. my everyday ski. I recommend that, but the chets are also nice, just seems a lot for a mid-west ski for 3/4 of the season.
Jul 13 2010 3:31AM
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wazzucrewskier
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yeah for sure i have heard great things about the bibby as well... unfortunately i just really have not skied any moments.  but yeah based on cbrady's and others reviews that is a great ski as well
Jul 13 2010 4:42AM
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Kangbang
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of course.
but like legit listen to thomas. when he talks about on3p, he knows what he is talking about
Jul 13 2010 5:10AM
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ReetsAdeets
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I have some friends with some of those skis, and I have skied on quite a few as well. First off, the friend with JJs absolutely loves his. He swears that they are the best all mountain ski ever; the rip pow, groomers, crud, cliffs, ect. When I tried them, I thought that there were super fun (about 6 inches of fresh). They really want to turn, you just think it and they go. They would probably be your best choice, as the rip everywhere, are a little skinnier so easier to manage on the not pow days, and they are also super light, easy to spin on, and easy to land switch on. The friend with Bent chetlers also loves them, but they are much more of a pow specific ski. According to him, they don't do very well in crud and aren't amazing on cliffs. But that being said, in straight up pow he fucking loves them, and they are also a good ski for booters and such. The same friend demoed ON3P Billy Goats, and he thinks that they are the best ski ever, for everything, but they have a pintail, so they wont ski switch well. You should also check out the Surface One Life, they are a really really good all mountain ski, stiff for cliffs, and the massive but relatively short (they are just an angle, so it can start later on the ski and still be massive) rocker keeps you up very well in both pow or crud, forward or switch. I haven't skied the S7s or the Night trains, but I did ski on the S3s which are like a smaller version of the S7, and thought that they felt sluggish and unresponsive unless you were spinning on them.

I would say go in this order:
1. JJs-super light, versatile, fun, and a sweet ski for everything that you can think of.
2. Surface One Life- same as JJ, but stiffer
3. Bent Chetler- Similar to JJ, but wider and more symmetrical. They are pretty soft all the way through, whereas the JJ is soft in the tip and tail, but pretty stiff underfoot.
4. ON3P BIllygoat- Apparently an amazing ski, but if you plan on skiing switch much, it wouldn't be the best choice. Customer service is super good with ON3P though
5. S7-Similar to JJ, but I have no experience with it.
6. Night Train-No experience
Jul 13 2010 2:09PM
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Skeeze_
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Billy Goat for sure. Stiffer than the S7 and JJ so it's better in the chopped up pow. None of these skis are going to be great for skiing switch. Check out the ON3P Caylor if that's a major consideration.
Jul 14 2010 10:41PM
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Jarle
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Just some info if someone uses search-function or if chet-deal does'nt come thru.

I did ride NT's alla winter every day even on groomers and in the park, review here - https://newschoolers.com/web/forums/readthread/thread_id/525675/
Jul 15 2010 1:37AM
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WikiWiki
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insert ON3P's dick here

seriously- you dont think the chetlers are good for riding switch

kil yourself
Jul 15 2010 2:26AM
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Mr_pretzel
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Dont you be talking about dicks here mr.



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Jul 15 2010 4:26AM
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Skeeze_
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I just checked the specs on the Bent Chetler and it's more symmetrical than I thought. Definitely better than the Billy Goat for riding switch. I still think that the Caylor may be better for riding switch in pow since the tail doesn't look quite as tapered. You should also check out the Praxis Mountain Jib.

I'm not sure if they'll be producing a limited quantity for next year or not, but the 4FRNT YLE will probably be the ultimate switch pow tool. I think it's supposed to be nearly symmetrical.
Jul 15 2010 9:24AM
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leahey
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Why would you be spending enough time switch to need a symmetrical powder ski?
Jul 15 2010 12:15PM
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Mr_pretzel
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Anyone ever heard og ep pros? They Are almost symmetrical if your going to be doing a lot of switch riding.
Jul 15 2010 12:31PM
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ndye
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people love on3p on here but honestly i would check out the josh bibby pros no need limiting yourself in the thread. they are a sick ski super playful and pretty fun i loved them when i demod them last winter
Jul 15 2010 12:42PM
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wazzucrewskier
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yeah, they are decent for switch riding, but honestly would be awful for where he skis.  that ski is downright sketchy in crud.  seriously above 25mph they are pretty much uncontrollable in crud.

i think everyone may be forgetting about the chopstick as it is symmetrical, but still wouldn't recommend that for where he skis
Jul 15 2010 1:04PM
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Mr_pretzel
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its was more for the guy talking about powder skis that can ski switch.
Jul 15 2010 2:03PM
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Jooky
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Skip S7, go with S3. 98 underfoot, majorly versatile, still plenty of float in the pow.

majorly.
Jul 15 2010 2:14PM
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DaysToCome
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yeah ive skied the old scratch bc's for 5 seasons  and they killed it in everything, pow, park, cliffs, straightlines. the s3 is almost the same ski with rocker (and symetrical on hard snow) it seems like the all around best ski
Jul 16 2010 1:39PM
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Balto
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he's looking for a pow ski, not some pussy as rockered park ski
Jul 16 2010 1:50PM
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grambo
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This guy is skiing in Michigan other than a few weeks a year in Vail, switch pow is not a concern for the amount of days and his experience/ability. I'd say 185 JJ or 178/188 S7 are probably the easiest to "get" how to ski with the limited days he will have. Forget about anything "chargey"
Jul 16 2010 3:03PM
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Bangs.
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Jul 16 2010 3:04PM
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ikindalikeskiing
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I've ridden the jj's bent chettys and s7s I personally didn't like the s7s and I got some 183 chettys if you wanna buy them
Jul 13 2012 11:14PM
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NWlife.
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Love my Benny's 183 will do the trick
Jul 13 2012 11:24PM
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Banane.
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Rossi s6 hands down
Jul 13 2012 11:32PM
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RudyGarmisch
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I would suggest a Jeffrey. Tapered like a Billy Goat, near symmetrical like a Caylor, camber and rocker just like a Jeronimo - a little bit of everything rolled together.
Jul 14 2012 2:11AM
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EricaMN.
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chetlers have my vote
Jul 14 2012 2:22AM
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VD.
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I have only skied the S7 and I didn't really like them, there is a short review of the S7 in the blog quoted in my sig
Jul 14 2012 7:57AM
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RileyZap
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Aggressive skier. Mostly trees, looking for stashes, and some in between cruddy pow, with the occasional deep day. This will be my second ski in my quiver, next to a salomon 2012. Should I get chetlers or billy goats?
Jul 18 2012 10:05PM
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NWlife.
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chetlers without a doubt can stomp everything the BG can and more
Jul 19 2012 12:09AM
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ikindalikeskiing
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I would also say chetlers or even jj's because they are better for tigh turns in the trees and the BG is amazing but it's more of a charging big boy ski
Jul 19 2012 6:27PM
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yamahabdv
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If I were you I would go with the JJ. I have owned them for the past two seasons and they are amazing. The flex points are perfect. They are a bit softer and a little bit more slender than the others you are looking at, making them more playful and fun (specially for your weight). They float just as good in the pow as the other skis you are looking at, even though they are not as wide. They are very stable skis and great for hucking off cliffs with. I read one of the earlier posts of a person saying they are not that stable, and I have no idea were they got that from. I have rode the Chetlers and s7 and those are great skis too but I prefer the JJ.
Jul 19 2012 8:34PM
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RileyZap
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How are chettys compared to S7's and and JJ's on hard pack/crud. Days where I want a big ski for some stashes, but still need to get to and from the lift
Jul 19 2012 8:45PM
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Session
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No. I skied the 192 for most of last season. Coming off of a 191 Caylor, the Bentchetler ended up disappointing me in all but the most blower of conditions, and folded in the crud. The tips also had a tendency to flap, and the ski was definitely not as stable at speed.

I will be on the 191 BG this season because it has a superior flex pattern that charges and stomps the shittiest of snow conditions.

I like the BC in the right conditions. But it's really only designed with perfect conditions in mind.
Jul 19 2012 8:47PM
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ikindalikeskiing
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Jj's will definitely be your best ski on groomers and in crud I've never ridden my bent chettys but my jj's kinda float over it instead of stomping through like some skis
Jul 20 2012 11:43AM
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H-Slice
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loved my jjs
Jul 20 2012 11:44AM
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brizz
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rmu apostles also fit op criteria. Not as wide underfoot but may be blessing in the mitten. Worth the look
Jul 20 2012 12:05PM
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Videogroove
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Guys and girls I have 2 questions:

1) what skis is better floating in powder JJ 185 or chetlers 183 if they uses by the same default skier?

2) what skis better for me from these two, if my weight 194 lbs and height 5'9"?

K+ for all useful replies

Thanks!
Oct 2 2013 2:43PM
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Videogroove
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Models to compare: Jj 2014, chetlers 2014
Oct 2 2013 2:45PM
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AJizzle
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You really don't need a 115 underfoot ski, even if you are gonna be skiing pow in vail. Honestly there are plenty of 100 underfoot skis that ski pow fine, and will ski groomed much, much better than the benchetler, JJ, or s7. I was not overly impressed with the benchetler's groomer skiing ability, but I think they are a ton of fun in 3 dimensional snow conditions. It think you would be doing yourself a service if you got something like the sick day 95 (if you want playful) or the armada tst if you want solid pow and groomer performance.
Oct 2 2013 3:00PM
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bieberhole69.
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If you want to throw another ski into the mix check out the k2 pettitors. Its a similar ski to the chet but instead of being more or less the same stiffness throughout its softer in the tips and tails and stiffer under foot.
Just throwing that out there if you're looking for a deal. I just picked up a pair from last year in mint shape for 400 with bindings
Oct 2 2013 8:15PM
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