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Backcountry version of JOSS

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Skibumsmith
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mrskier made a comment in another thread in which he stated that JOSS was a bad event and it's just a bunch of shitty park skiers. He went on to say that a better event was the red bull coldrush because it took actual skiing skills. Much hate ensued.

Anyway it sparked an idea in my brain. What if there was a backcountry event where skiers gathered for 2 weeks at Retallack. Guys like Sean Petit, Dane Tudor, Sage Cattabriga, Timmy D, Dana Flahr, Rory Bushfield, James Heim and Mark Abma were invited and for 2 weeks they threw down on massive booters, pillows and cliffs galore. Filmers were invited to capture these amazing moments and at the end of the 2 weeks they submitted a 5 minute edit to be judged. The winning team gets a cash prize.
It would be the Retallack Super Sessions.
May 27 2010 2:27AM
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cplax22
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you sir are genius
May 27 2010 2:33AM
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Ben.
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it would fail for the same reason JOSS is starting to fail.


think about the lack of big name filmers this year, and i would guess its soon going to be big name athletes as well.

the problem is this is two weeks out of their schedule where they could be shooting elsewhere for their actual movie.

instead that time is spent on edits that are free, and the footage cant be used in the movie because who wants to see it again 4 months down the road? (yes im talking to you PBP)

not to mention weather, which already wreaks havoc on JOSS, would be even more of an issue for a BC event.

sure contests like Xgames may be drab, and repetitive, but for a skier, or filmer, its hard to justify taking two weeks out of their season which is already short, for a contest that gives them nothing to really show for in the end. its much easier to show up for 2-3 days, do your thing, and then move on.
May 27 2010 2:34AM
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assface
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most of your point is accurate and you make a good point, but i personally dont mind pillow shots and some booters that are filmed in shitty weather, which is one issue that wouldnt be such a problem in the RSS
May 27 2010 2:54AM
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tacobellslayer
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Mmmmmmmmm level 1 used shots as well from last year, but I hoenstly thought that they worked for both movies and I enjoyed the shots again. A 4 second clip or two doesn't matter
May 27 2010 3:16AM
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Bentley@DOSMedia
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Exactly correct...

Even though I love filming backcountry (as you will see with our film this year), I would never want to spend 2 precious weeks out of the season to go shoot stuff that I would have to put online in an edit.


The only thing I might consider is if Tom somehow puts his idea of a film comp to life.
May 27 2010 3:36AM
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White_raven
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Harder to make a segment in BC where you have to build jumps, hike them, harder to stomp tricks etc. But who knows, it would be pretty cool and less partying which seem to be a big obstacle in joss. Guess many riders prefered to party rather than make a really good segment at joss.
May 27 2010 3:53AM
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EastCoast315
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What if the event happened, was heavily filmed, and contest winners and highlights were dropped as a teaser, but only a limited number of photos were released? Then, all the footage that was got would be added into an MSP film or something? Just throwing it out there
May 27 2010 11:05AM
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Balto
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sounds like cold rush with dedicated filmers
May 27 2010 12:10PM
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Malczyk
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A step up and booter session put on by pollard/nimbus at Timberline in Salomon Canyon (or whatever its called) would be so sick! He laughed and we realized when the snow is good the weather is just bad. I would love to see some kind of event like Travis Rice's for skiing. Cold Rush is cool but just not accessible to the public.

http://extreme.com/1-4star-ttr-events/1009602/travis-rice-invitational-the-quiksilver-natural-selection
May 27 2010 12:16PM
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Balto
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you call Joss accessible? maybe if it was in CO or something, but not Sweden
May 27 2010 12:20PM
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*Nefarious*
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i say hell ya. I'd be into that for sure. 2 weeks dedicated to something like that really isn't taking anything away from filming your seggy. You still get ill footage and photos that are marketed differently and much quicker. Just like redbull coldrush, I love the idea of contests like these...
May 27 2010 12:23PM
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Malczyk
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no, i was calling Cold Rush not accessible. Joss was at a local hill in the middle of nowhere but the towns people could swing by and watch.
May 27 2010 12:34PM
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backcountry backcountry backcountry backcountry backcountry backcountry backcountry backcountry backcountry backcountry backcountry backcountry backcountry backcountry backcountry backcountry backcountry backcountry backcountry backcountry backcountry backcountry backcountry backcountry backcountry backcountry backcountry backcountry backcountry backcountry
May 27 2010 12:38PM
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j.bird
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No one can see cold rush, and the footage/updates are muuuuuch more limited.

Also, the amount of $$$ out of pocket the athletes pay to compete at JOSS is unreal.
May 27 2010 12:40PM
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jason...
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Cold Rush? The only thing it's missing is the editing part. Seeing as how everyone would be filming from a heli I don't really see this being the easiest thing to organize.
May 27 2010 12:43PM
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jason...
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And to everyone who bitches about park skiers not being able to ski out of the park, I'm going to start bitching about people who can't ski in the park. It's a two way street you self righteous fucks.
May 27 2010 12:45PM
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Literature
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BACK 9.

Bring it back, please.
May 27 2010 2:16PM
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t_rob
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josh, that local hill in the middle of nowhere is the number one ranked ski resort in the world.
May 27 2010 2:22PM
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skiierman
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i cannot see how anyone agrees with you. what you're saying is completely wrong and well.. fucking retarded i gotta say.

1. lack of big name filmers
- who cares? did they not make insanely good edits with incredible filming? who cares what the name of the person is behind the camera. i certainly don't and i cannot see why anyone else would.

2. lack of big name skiers
- what gave you that thought? am i missing something here or was it the same as past years? what sammy carlson didn't show up so you think the "pros" are dopping out? thats just fucking stupid.

3. two weeks out of their schedule
- yeah it is two weeks out of their schedule but as far as i know, there's still money involved and exposure which are both good reasons to go. not to mention it is incredibly fun.

4. footage re-used
- again who fucking cares if they reuse shots made on the same features? is 2 minutes of footage really going to ruin a whole ski film for you? i feel sorry for you if its that big of a deal to you. not everyone who buys ski films have watched all- if any of the joss edits.

5. weather
- wreaks havoc? isn't that a massive overstatement? yeah the weather could always be better but i have yet to see it "wreak havoc" on the event. past BC events have gone off successfully despite the issue of weather.

so yeah, it would be so sick to have a BC version of JOSS and if kids like you think those are the only issues at hand, it'll be more than possible to happen.
May 27 2010 2:29PM
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deathcookie
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The problem with a bc event like that would be that all the pow would get tracked out quickly unless they had access to amazing places and people would argue over who gets to shoot which line.
May 27 2010 2:30PM
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Jooky
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Definitely, but even better....call it "The Open" or something. Front 9 is all park hits, Back 9 is all backcountry hits. The best of both worlds! Film it like golf coverage with people rotating through the features.

BAM.
May 27 2010 2:31PM
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Joe_Brogan
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i like it, i like it alot!!!  i sometimes like watching backcountry stuff better because i feel like it shows more creativity.  maybe thats just me
May 27 2010 2:48PM
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Malczyk
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doh!
May 27 2010 2:48PM
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johanblaze
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K2 Back 9, one of the few good things about skiing. Of course that was done with real quick.
May 27 2010 3:55PM
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onearmwanderer
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ya thats what i was thinking.
May 27 2010 5:17PM
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304NordMan
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Cold Rush dude. u should look into it
May 27 2010 5:31PM
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Gfunkrussell
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We need one of those in the USA so people who are not allowed into Canada can compete. Just a thought.
May 27 2010 5:42PM
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Balto
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sounds like those people would be poor choices to represent our sport/companies
May 27 2010 5:46PM
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j.bird
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people make mistakes, both major and minor. Should it effect their ability to ski and or compete? I dont think so. But this is compleely irrelevant.
May 27 2010 6:10PM
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kzrstf
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lets do this on the east coast! it wouldn't be hard to find two weeks with enough pow
May 27 2010 6:27PM
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Bentley@DOSMedia
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Skiermann!!...

Unfortunately two weeks is a lot of time. A lot more then most people think. Backcountry season is not all that long and it takes a lot longer to get a BC shot then an urban shot or a park shot.
Also money!? People had to pay to go to JOSS and only the first place people came out with anything in the end! Who would want to do that if your trying to make a film? In my mind you pretty much pay to go make an edit.

The idea of the backcountry version is sick, but it would definitely still have its issues, which im sure some way could be worked out...


Keep in mind, there would need to be some people/companies willing to throw down some serious cash for this to happen
May 27 2010 7:09PM
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Holte
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That would be pretty solid.
May 27 2010 7:50PM
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t_rob
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but park isn't mini golfing...
May 27 2010 8:18PM
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yohaass60
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I can dig it!
May 27 2010 9:43PM
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skiierman
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beeennntterrraahhhllyyy, but joss also had joi and there was a ton of money involved. it could have been the reason the more well-known filmers didn't show but i know that a lotta of those riders didn't have to pay to go because of their travel budgets.
May 27 2010 9:48PM
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Twinjibber77
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You didn't mention Tanner so the event would never happen cause it has to be REAL.
May 27 2010 11:21PM
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Captain_Slow
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Monster on 2.
May 27 2010 11:33PM
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j.bird
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!

And yes, a lot of major athletes are over it. It benefits Jon more than anyone or anything.
May 27 2010 11:44PM
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j.bird
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That travel budget is what they are paying with... Thats the extent of money given to most people. Its supposed to be used towards their expenses promoting the sponsors...

Without dropping names I know a certain someone payed almost 5k of his own money last year to get out there, and he is by NO means an amateur.
May 27 2010 11:46PM
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heFF
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skierman's got a gun...dun dun dun dun dun
May 27 2010 11:53PM
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skiierman
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yeah its true that some don't but the fact is that you gotta go to events for exposure and this is one of them. that's how you work your way up. its how most get their start is by traveling to events and creating exposure for yourself, despite the issue of guaranteed money. also, joss is undoubtedly the party of the year which is another motivator. i highly doubt that joss will see a decreased number of well-known skiers showing up... based on traveling and time that is.
May 28 2010 12:25AM
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andreweckels
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while we are on the topic of multi week competitions, who wants to see road trip challenge come back. those were the most entertaining segments of skiing i have ever seen
May 28 2010 12:50AM
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MC_POUTINE
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why dont you fuckers just go skiing and stop worrying about what pros do?
May 28 2010 12:59AM
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Bentley@DOSMedia
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I feel like for the skiers the events are not all that bad. Like its different for a skier to give up 2 weeks of filming for a segment then a producer or filmer. And yes JOI makes it even better for the skiers as well.

Sponsors can pay their skiers to get out there as you stated for obvious reasons.

I guess its not a bad deal for the skiers but for filmers or producers trying to make a movie, its a horrible deal.

Oh and you should try to go steal my Stoked back from Dozer's house... they took it months ago and I still have not seen it since!
May 28 2010 3:53AM
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Dan.P
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Yes! they were the best, a revival would be the sickest

Did they even ever finish/release all of the episodes they said they would?

May 28 2010 8:34AM
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skiierman
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well they are pirates after all so im not surprised...
May 28 2010 10:21AM
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Skibumsmith
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that's partly where this idea came from. I thought that was obvious
May 28 2010 2:41PM
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grams.
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So basically your idea is that same exact idea the kid in that original thread had, and is the same as cold rush but its about 10 days longer and you make an edit? That works.
May 28 2010 2:57PM
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Bentley@DOSMedia
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Yeah those fuckers!
May 28 2010 4:19PM
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