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Why should i get a hdslr over a traditional hd camera

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J-Evs
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i have officialy made up my mind that i was getting the t2i and told my dad about it and he thinks its a waste because its a "picture" camera and that it doesnt film for very long, and wont be good for skiing because it isnt weather sealed and that it is mainly a picture camera with very minimal video functions.

give me some reasons i can point out to him as to why its a good cam for skiing/skating with proper use and someone who knows what they are doing.
ive tried lots already and practically know the camera inside out
May 25 2010 10:48PM
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family_vacation
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if you really know everything, then I bet we can't give you anything that will change it.

You could mention that the final episode of house was entirely filmed on a DSLR. You could also talk about how they are used to shoot lots of commercials these days.

Still, I'd say you should just show him some footage of them. That should help the most.
May 25 2010 10:54PM
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kzrstf
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show him this
May 25 2010 11:04PM
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Kurt_D
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I have the Rebel t2i. It shoots in 1080p HD. Trust the others above, it produces great work. However, from my experience it has been harder to use then a trditional HD Camera outside because of the way that you view what you are shooting. A high grade HD camera has a pivoting LCD screen that you can position in a way to see the clearest picture when capturing film. The T2i doesn just uses the screen that you would use to review the still frames that you just shot. They may have covers but that is additional money and if you want to use the t2i stock lens you can't do manual focus and thus you cannot really produce anything worth watching...

correct me if I am wrong but I have worked with both and those are the differences...

However why by a 3,000 dollar HD camera and a 700 -1000 dollar dslr when you can have both for 900...

it really depends on style and what you want to create,

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May 26 2010 2:51AM
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canterbury
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you can attach a monitor to the t2i through the hdmi port

"if you want to use the t2i stock lens you can't do manual focus " what are you talking about?

"and thus you cannot really produce anything worth watching" please say that you're kidding

May 26 2010 4:46AM
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TomasAa
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Yes you can, but it will only give you Standard Defenition output while recording! Which makes focusing harder..
May 26 2010 8:03AM
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1337
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I'll chime in a little bit.
May 26 2010 12:31PM
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leahey
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There are many reasons to get an HD camera over an HDSLR. The only very obvious one is the fact that it has a handle. The t2i is a traditional SLR which is very hard to film with, and investing in a steadycam is not worth it. But other than that, I would get a DSLR. You can take pictures, shoot HD, it's lighter, smaller, mostly less expensive, and you would have mad OG baller status if you rocked the T2i.
May 26 2010 3:47PM
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eheath
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Investing in a steady cam isn't worth it? Ugh


And if you want a dslr setup that functions similar to a normal HD camera, you're going to spend a similar amount of money.
May 26 2010 3:56PM
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A.Eberhard
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Made me lol. +k
May 26 2010 4:19PM
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LBJJ
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Also getting battery to power the screen is annoying and will ad a lot of weight, Buying a laptop and finding a way to mount it somehow would be prob about the same price or a little more expensive thats what im trying to do when i get my setup put together.

Also the screen on most video camera are standard lower than HD output anyways so it would be just like using the live view camera screen.
May 26 2010 5:18PM
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family_vacation
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Can you stop talking about camera gear? I remember a thread where you reccomnded a hv30, a vx, and a hvx200 to someone wanting a first camera........ If you don't know what you're reccomending, then don't give out bad advice. People take alot if this stuff seriously, and it's nice to get relevent information/opinions. Glidecams are pretty cheap, and they happen to be very worth it. These cameras require stabilization. If the only big difference you know of is the handle, then you simply don't know what you're talking about. DSLRs and HD cameras have
more differences than the handle and "mad OG baller status." Sorry if that came across as mean, but you should just stop chiming in camera threads.

Thanks
May 26 2010 7:06PM
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you're wrong. Dude, a stock lense is 18-55. Those have manual and auto focus. We're not living in the 1700s.
May 26 2010 7:48PM
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eheath
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You're wrong, you can manual focus any lens...
May 26 2010 7:50PM
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leahey
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no, it is, just a little pricey sometimes.
May 26 2010 8:07PM
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LBJJ
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exactly , and if you spend the time to look around for alternate items that are the same just maybe not name brand but cheaper you will end up spending a lot less
May 26 2010 8:42PM
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IanAvery-Leaf
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why do all your posts make me think your retarded

May 27 2010 8:12AM
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poopandflush
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Who is retarded?
May 27 2010 1:32PM
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1337
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Quality and flexibility for the price is great. What specifically is he turned off by?
May 27 2010 5:33PM
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mak
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I just want to start off that contrary to some people's beliefs, you can manually focus while shooting video on the t2i. Possibly these people mean to say that the focus ring on the kit 18-55 lens is smaller and less solid than most other lenses, but it is still completely a feasable option. I just want to clear that up because this statement seems to be sending people in the wrong direction.

Now it seems to be that your dad looks the t2i as a good photography camera that has this nifty little video feature that you can use time to time, not as a good photography camera that has a potentially just as effective video camera doubled in. Possibly a little over exagerated statement in some eyes, but I feel that the video aspect is amazing in the right hands.
May 27 2010 6:36PM
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1337
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there is no focus ring on the 18-55, but you can switch to it via menu. Inconvenient, but possible
May 27 2010 6:39PM
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i worded it wrong. A stock lense is 18mm-55mm (MOST times) there is an auto and manual focus.



May 27 2010 6:46PM
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KarmaInitiative
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May 27 2010 7:04PM
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canterbury
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correct, there is no focus "ring", but the front section of the 18-55mm kit lense does rotate.  and yes option to switch from automatic focus to manual focus for video is inconveniently accessed via the menu, but in my opinion, there's no point in ever using the t2i's AF anyways.  Auto is slow and noisy (picked up on the audio if not using an external mic). 

May 27 2010 7:05PM
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mak
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i don't mean to come off as arrogant, but i'm looking at the focus ring on the ef-s 18-55 IS right now. and i'm almost sure all dslr lenses have focus rings if you happen to be looking at a different lens.
May 27 2010 7:39PM
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kenevil
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uh yeah no, the front ring on the lens is the focus ring, like all other lenses......
May 27 2010 10:59PM
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canterbury
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no, not like all other lenses. most higher end lenses have their focus rings closer to the camera body.
May 28 2010 12:08AM
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LBJJ
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indeed they have a focus ring just like the zoom ring thats bigger and not directly at the end of the lens. but the fact is all lenses do have some sort of manual focus.
May 28 2010 10:43AM
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canterbury
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i'm not disputing that fact
May 28 2010 11:55AM
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You guys are expecting too much from a $900-$1300 camera with a "video feature."

Of course the monitoring sucks; by convention, you are supposed to be pulling focus on a separate monitor regardless. Sound sucks, but who cares. You're supposed to be recording it separately anyway. The bodies are way too light, filming standalone is a huge pain in the ass. That's why you're supposed to add some weight and stabilization. These are tools you should be using anyway. Filming with a DSLR using only a body and lens is an impractical nightmare unless you're a soccer mom.

The "brains" of DSLRs are inferior to HD video cameras because of obvious restrictions such as color space, lack of image controls, lack of calibration tools, the list goes on. The major advantage DSLRs have (and the sole reason why they're so damn popular) is the ability to actually use nice glass for a change. Believe it or not, glass always has been, and always will be the single most important part of any camera. The fact that DSLRs essentially let you put great optics in front of a sub-par camera and still get amazing images is a testament to that.
May 28 2010 12:55PM
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Ben.
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the amount of just plain WRONG information in this thread is astounding.
May 28 2010 1:50PM
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J-Evs
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how about this...

If you could get any camera for under $1000 what would it be?
May 28 2010 5:34PM
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eheath
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Not a DSLR, a legit DSLR setup is 3gs+ If you're only spending 1000 bucks on your DSLR setup you're gonna have problems.
May 28 2010 5:39PM
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J-Evs
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ohh ya i figured that. i mean i was probably gunna get the cheapest glidecam as well as a tamron lens thats around 600, i knew it would run me over 1000. but whats the next best option you think.
dvx?
cuz right now i have a jvc mg130 and a canon vixa hf20, and i want to upgrade to something better than each of those
May 28 2010 5:51PM
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eheath
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hmc40 could be a nice upgrade at around 1500.
May 28 2010 5:52PM
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*Fujative*
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Alright, I wasn't going to comment on here, but now I have to. ARE YOU FUCKING STUPID? I'm sorry, for getting angry now, but seriously, don't post if you don't know what the fuck you are talking about. ALL lens have manual focus. ALL lens have a ring on them. ALL cameras or lens have a switch on the camera or lens to switch from auto to manual. Nikon will ALSO let you switch in the menu. the t2i has a better auto focus then the t1i which is actually pretty good. Its noisy, but oh well, Get an external mic.
May 29 2010 4:10AM
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canterbury
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Ok, I realize i was wrong about the AF.  You can turn it on and off with the switch on the lense.   Yes, I know all lenses have manual focus, I just didn't consider the front rotating section of the 18-55mm a "ring", as compared to other lenses where the ring is closer to the body and you can mount a pull focus on them, but I looked in the manual, and yes you're right, the front section is called the focus ring.  Though you're wrong that all cameras and lenses have AF, correct would be "all modern cameras and lenses have AF".
May 29 2010 9:46AM
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LBJJ
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everyone knows not every lens has AF, so i think thats just a misunderstanding
May 29 2010 10:40AM
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1337
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I fail completely :( after spending some time in best buy with the 18-55 I never realized that the front ring could be used to focus, so stupid. However I still wouldnt get it because it would be hard to set up a follow focus rig to it anyways.
May 29 2010 11:15AM
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Coalescent
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I have the Canon T2i and love it.  The quality is great at least at 720p and its super user friendly with adobe premiere.  Shoots 24,30 and 60 fps and takes great photos if you want to shoot a bit.  The price isn't bad at all for what you pay for and the DOF is an added bonus.  Plus the kit lens isn't bad at all.
May 29 2010 11:27AM
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