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Caylors vs Wrenagades

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ReetsAdeets
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So I have pretty much decided on one of these skis. I have looked at lots of reviews and used the search bar, and also read the Caylor thread below this. But I still cant decide. This will be pretty much my everyday ski for BC, steeper stuff, generally about boot deep, sometimes deeper, ect. I had Hellbents, but they were way to soft and wheelied out a ton. This is what I am worried about with Caylors. I did however love how maneuverable my Hellbents were in trees, which is what concerns me about the Wrenagades. I am also worried that I will regret not having tail rocker and giving up a lot of switch performance if I get the Wrenagades. That being said though, I dont ski switch a whole lot. I also really like the idea of a stiffer ski like the Wrenagades. I also ski quite a bit of mashed up heavier snow and cruddy slush at the bottom of the BC run, but usually fresh blower up top, so I want some versatility.

Knowing that ON3P is an awesome company, and can tweak skis a bit, I have thought about getting a stiffer Caylor, and at the moment, this seems like the best option at the moment, but I fluctuate from ski to ski everytime I think about it.


Summary: Like idea of a stiffer, lighter Hellbent, worried it will still wheelie out on larger drops. Really like idea of stiff ski like the Wrenagades, but worried they wont be nimble enough in trees and will seriously lack riding switch on the occasions that I do. Considering a stiffer Caylor as a compromise.

I am not opposed to new ideas either, so if you have a different ski, I will look at it. I am not interested in JJs though. I demoed them and liked them a bit, but not enough to get them. Also, if you have any rocker shots of the Wrenagades, that would be appreciated because I cant seem to find any. Sorry for the long read, but thanks in advance to those of you who help out.
Apr 17 2010 1:36AM
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ReetsAdeets
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By the way, I am 5'6, 125lbs, strong skier wherever. And I'm sorry I titled this as another vs thread. It a "Help me decide" thread.
Apr 17 2010 2:29AM
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DHogg
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Firstly, do you own any other skis? It could be that one of them just fits into your quiver better.

I was actually tossing up both of these skis when the presale was on and ended up going for Wrenegades. The Caylors are significantly stiffer than Hellbents, and i doubt you will have the issues with the washing out you had with your Hellbents (especially at 125lbs). On that topic, where did you mount your hellbents? Most people I know who had the wheelie issues are the ones who mounted them too bar back. You really had to be at about +5.5 minimum to avoid wheelies. No one i have talked to about the Caylors has had any issues with wheelies or the ski being too soft.

Wrenegades are alright in the trees, definitely works, but it won't be as easy as something like hellbents which are really easy to pivot due to the rocker profile. I have no issues tossing them around in moguls and tight spots. They are light for a big ski so that makes a big difference. Compared to other similar skis, the Wrens are amazing in trees and tight spots. But to be honest, you can't really expect them to perform as well as the Caylor/Hellbent shape ski. How tight are the trees where you ski? It also has a lot to do with how strong you are and how aggressively you ski.

Wrenegades don't really like going switch much. It can be done and isn't terrible. But the caylor will outshine these in the area without a doubt. I used to be all about buying skis which were good switch, but when it came down to it i realised how little i actually ski switch, and that I would rather give up some switch performance for better forwards performance which i do a shitload more of.

Tail rocker: IMO the lack of the tail rocker is one of the best things about the Wrenegade. It will provide you with much more support and stability than something with rocker. If your going mach 10, the lack on tail rocker is going to help you out. I've been impressed with the support of the tails for landing cliffs ect. The Wrenegade was made to fast and straight, and it does it very well. It is definitely a charging ski and not a jib ski.

I probably went round in circles a bit here, but they truly are in different categories. I would compare Wrens to skis like Fatypus D-Senders and Line Motherships, where as Caylors are more of a BC jib ski like Hellbents.

I have talked to various people who have caylors and they've said that they are definitely capable of skiing lines and big mtn terrain, not as well as the Wren, but still pretty good.From what you've posted, i think the Caylor sounds like a better match to your skiing. You say you like the idea of a stiffer lighter Hellbent. That is pretty much the Caylor...











Apr 17 2010 4:36AM
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DHogg
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rocker view:
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Decent amount of rocker. Less than most BC jib skis but more than most other skis. Enough to keep the tips up and make it easy to smear turns like a champ.
Apr 17 2010 4:42AM
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I haven't had a problem with my Caylors Wheeling out at all, and certainly have had no problems what-so ever with them being too soft - They are stiff enough to power through crud, etc. and are surprising easy to ski most conditions other than ice, they are more versatile than I expected.
Apr 17 2010 5:16AM
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ReetsAdeets
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Ok, thanks a lot. I will have Salomon 2012s as my other ski, so I am leaning towards the wrenagade now since they will be the least similar and wont overlap much. And if we build a booter or something, I can bring the 2012s instead of the Wrenagades.
Apr 17 2010 2:29PM
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Dustin.
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Scott and Rowen make skis stiff and solid for men to ski on, they don't flop around like Hellbents.

I think that if you want to ski switch and be able to turn quickly in the trees, the Caylor is the ski for you.  It will be plenty solid enough to handle moderately quick lines and cliff drops as well, so if you are thinking of an all around pow ski I can't see anything that is much better.  Even ON3P's "soft" skis are much stiffer than what most people consider soft (aka - the Blue Steele flexes very similar to a Pipecleaner, which is consider medium-stiff by most).  My Billy Goats don't wash out on cliffs or anything like that, and those even have a pintail.  They also charge pretty well for something designed to turn in tight trees.

If you really want to charge like a madman and can do without riding switch (the Wren is pretty much a directional ski), then the Wrenegade is supposed to be the best thing out there for this.
Apr 17 2010 2:36PM
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ReetsAdeets
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It wasnt so much crud that I didnt like my Hellbents in (although they sucked at that too), but I hated how they would wheelie out on cliffs. This is my primary concern with the Caylors.
Apr 17 2010 6:01PM
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DHogg
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PowTron on TGR has probably skied them more than anyone.
Apr 17 2010 6:49PM
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charmander
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i like my caylors quite a bit, as mentioned theyre bomber and hella poppy
Apr 17 2010 11:41PM
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ReetsAdeets
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How would Czars be?
Apr 18 2010 2:15AM
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AA-Shred
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I may not have mentioned this is my earlier post but I love my Caylors for cliffs, they are super stable and have a lot of pop (god i love bamboo). I'll also add that spinning with the Caylors was much easier than i thought it would be, super fun.
From the sounds of things you will love the Caylors but the Wrens sound like a awesome ski as well. Your choice.
Apr 18 2010 2:54AM
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ike.
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not much rocker, pretty heavy, and pretty stiff
Apr 19 2010 12:41PM
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Balto
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i got a chance to ski 191 caylors for most of this past weekend. they were a fair amount stiffer then I had planned them to be, but I wouldnt have them any other way, if you want a straight crud buster to charge hard in every type of snow, get wrens, if you want something a little more playful or if you like to get jibby then caylors are the way to go
Apr 19 2010 2:02PM
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KRAMPUSNTROLLZ
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just cause i dont want to creat a thread. what is the flex of the caylor comparable to other skis such as the Ar6 , Pipe cleaners , 4frnt Vcts and so forth? thanks
Apr 19 2010 5:43PM
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