2011 K2 Hellbents or 2011 Line Sir Francis Bacons?

oh, i forgot, the obsetheds are an option too

Id say SFBs are better for all 3 than the hellbents just because of the weight of hellbents

how heavy are the hellbents, like would they be a pain if im taking a hike to get to a chute?

They're really not the same. The Bents are wider this year and more pow specific than they already were. Go for the SFB if you wanna do a bit more of everything.

^This year, the Seths and SFB's are more similar.

the SFB's will still be good on pow days rite?

Yeah definitely. I saw em at SIA and the new ones look amazing. I'd love to snag a pair myself.

OK, thanks. I can't wait 2 do some BC jumps with them! i gonna throw some sick tricks with them and totally slay on big mountain lines and pow days.

i was just wonderin, are there any better skis than the SFB's for what i was talking about? And also what bindings.

Just about every company makes a ski that caters to what you're looking for. Do a bit of research and decide for yourself which ski suits your needs. As far as bindings, same thing. Start by reading the binding sticky at the top of this page.

Last question, do i mount them true center or back a few CM's?

That should be based on personal preference and the specific ski in question. Personally, I would never mount a non-symmetrical ski dead center.

just a quick question.if the 2011 bents got more powder specific, in what ways will that negatively inpact its non powder performance?

probably a little less stable on groomers back to the lift

not very much alike at all

bacons (mine, non rockered) are very versatile and with a rocker they would be bomb

bents next year, bents are already really heavy they will be wider, they also are dead skis feel icky and have no soul

I may be wrong, but Hellbents have always been and will be in 2011 reverse camber. SFBs next year will have early rise, which means some camber. Also the dimensions are pretty different so I would say these are very different skis. SFBs sound like the best all-around ski.

so do the 2011 hellbent have camber. personally i would get the 2011 obsetheds.

Probably Seths or SFBs. But Hellbents would also be good. But definitely heavier, although not by much, and if you had a light binding on them, it would be the same as a heavy binding on SFBs or a lighter ski. But Seths sound best for you, and if you're gonna be skiing some chutes and cliffs, definitely dont mount center. Probably like 2.5 or 3 back.

im just worried if the seth's have enough stability for pow days, do u think that they do? i am gonna be doin chutes and cliffs by the way

If its not like chest deep blower all the time, you'll be fine. And all the ones that you listed are noodles, but the Seths least so. And they have tail rocker, so landing switch will be better. But get the ones that you think you'll be happiest with, or else you'll always regret not.

ok, thanks, its just gonna be pretty hard choosing

seths will be more stable then the other two....

Any of those skis will be fine on chest deep days. The new seth is like 117 underfoot with pontoon rocker.  Plenty of girth for deep pow.

They'll steal your soul if you stare at them too long......

The 2011 Hellbent does not have camber. It's rocker-flat-rocker.

haha im not talking about your graphics schmies, those are awesome
im just talking about how they ski/feel

Seths are sick, graphics are awsome, wider this year under foot. But personally I'd go with benchetlers. Really stable in pow on those uber deep days. And u can do park runs on them. I own a pare. Carve as well as my teneightys in groomed.

the hellbents are lighter than the bacons. but it also depends on what bindings you have. and the hellbents are reverse camber and always have been. the bacons are cambered with early rise and early taper, so like a ep pro but cambered and a little bit smaller dimensions, and stiffer. if I was you I would go hellbents. I have em and I love them. Best ski I have ever been on. And bacons are not a complete pow specific ski.

on3p caylors>both, similar shape to last years bents just a little stiffer, lighter, more poppy, better construction, not made in china, cheeper, thicker edges, race base, ect ect ect.

Here is my review of next years bacon.  I also skied the 2011 hellbent and it was definitely not as fun as the bacon on groomers, but i didnt get to ski it in pow.... so I can't really compare or give a full/honest review of it.  I have skied on just about every rockered stick out there, so i definitely can compare them to a lot of skis out there.


About me: I am 6'2" and 170 and like to ski pretty hard, but not really into doing tricks and park stuff.

Conditions: Stevens Pass, WA.  Sunny, but fairly cold, so softer snow conditions throughout the day.  Got about 14 or so inches the previous two days so there were areas of untracked still, but mainly skied out somewhat cruddy conditions with perfect groomers all day until they got a bit chewed up and moguly later in the day.

Overall, I think this is the most fun set of skis I have been on all year.  I demoed 10 skis for next year and have been on EP pros, Prophet 130's, Chopsticks, Live Lifes, and Karmas all year for the most part and this was the most fun and versatile.  This ski is unlike anything else I have ever been on.  It was the first ski that I have been on that didn't really dictate where you had to ski it to have fun.  And by that I mean that most skis have some type of condition that they just don't excel at and are not very fun.  EP's are great for fresh, but suck in crud, Chopsticks are great for fresh and crud, but boring on groomers due to the long turn radius.... you get the idea.  This ski felt like a dream everywhere.  Skiing a few untracked lines they had good float and the medium flex allowed them to flex out and bust through crud and stay on top of the snow.  In my opinion this ski has the perfect flex.  It is stiff enough to haul ass through crud and chop, but soft enough to be fun to dink around on a bit.  Skiing through crud it would just float and effortlessly bust through anything in your way.  I had a ton of fun straightlining small mogul fields and ollie-ing over gaps and never felt like I was going to go over the bars or like the ski was going to dive and hook a tip or anything.  When you get the ski on groomers it can absolutely rail turns.  It carves like a gs ski and you don't really even notice the width since it feels pretty quick edge to edge as well.... that could just be because I am used to skiing fatties now though.  Also, with the new thin tip definitely lowers the swing weight so it felt really easy to throw around.  I could see this being an epic touring ski because of the waist width and its lightness.

Bottom line is that this ski is an absolute blast in any condition you will get it into.  It floats like a pow ski, crushes crud, and turns like a gs ski and never feels hooky or chattery.  I will definitely be picking up a pair next year.

Agree with the above. That is why I like the benchetlers.great in pow thanks to pop rocker, sick in crud thanks to stiffness, awspme and fun on groomers thanks to camber and small turn radius.