Yet another reason our government is pissing me off

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well i hope you're right... but i'm not so sure

Mar 19 2010 12:48PM

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Mar 19 2010 12:48PM

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Seriously I hope your kidding...

Mar 19 2010 12:50PM

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Clouds behind planes are a result of jet engine exhaust condensing and freezing.

Mar 19 2010 12:53PM

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yet another reason people are retarded and believe everything they hear. and the guy above me is right

Mar 19 2010 12:54PM

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almost as serious as this:

Mar 19 2010 12:56PM

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did you even watch the video? they talk about the difference between contrails (frozen emissions) and chemtrails... sorry for putting it out there (heavy sarcasm)

Mar 19 2010 12:57PM

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this reminds me of krobs rollercoaster rant

Mar 19 2010 12:58PM

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bahahaha

my dad (an airline pilot for 25 years) went "ok" in the most satirical, you dumb-ass's voice evar!

contrails.

hes gonna be sure to dump some extra chemicals next week when he goes back to work. idk where hes going, but ill update this thread with what cities should get their cooperators out.

Mar 19 2010 12:59PM

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I actually had to do a paper on this for my COMP I class

gotta love MN education

Mar 19 2010 1:00PM

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lol just food for thought... and they aren't suggesting that commercial pilots are the ones spraying.

Mar 19 2010 1:04PM

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I watched the first 5 mins i stopped watching when he mentioned cloud seeding. Countries all over the world seed clouds, it gives water vapour in clouds something to condense onto, and percipitate. There is no evidence it does anything harmful.

That aside, why the fuck would the government spend money to spray its population with chemicals?

Mar 19 2010 1:04PM

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It covers that in the second part...but who the fuck knows. Why does the government do half the dumb shit they do? control, power, etc...

I'm not saying i completely agree with all of this, but i thought it was interesting.

Mar 19 2010 1:09PM

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This isnt interesting, the possibilities of deep space travel is interesting. This is bullshit that pollutes peoples minds.

I skipped around in the video and I can refute just about everything they bring up as evidence.

Mar 19 2010 1:18PM

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I wish i could believe that video is a joke.

Mar 19 2010 1:28PM

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Ya, i'm not sure about this one.

Mar 19 2010 1:29PM

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Mar 19 2010 1:34PM

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YES

HE SAID IT

"IT'S NOT NATURAL"

let's stop using cars, building houses, processing food, making clothing, closing any and all industries that use any chemicals at all, turn off all lights, stop using non-natural currency, put all time and effort into getting rid of all the waste currently on the planet, stop producing medication, and stop making skis

yeah

Mar 19 2010 3:03PM

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on a semi-related note:

not everybody that sees flaws in the official statements regarding 9/11, the iraq war or some other major issue thinks that this stuff here is true as well. beleiving in conspiracies or not buying governmental statements is not a digital thing. there is not only 1 or 0.

Mar 19 2010 3:08PM

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Fuck me, if this leads to global warming and in turn leads to less snow for shorter periods of time, im gunna get the FUCK on the goverments case. Fuckin eh, they are no better then anyone else, why can we be the fucking test dummies.
If this is at all true.

Mar 19 2010 3:29PM

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This is why I quit smoking weed...

Mar 19 2010 4:34PM

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so the video made me look out my window, and in a clear, and i mean completely clear blue sky i see a plane with that characteristic white trail behind it. look out a little while later, and right now there is a big "plume" that i would normally assume is a cloud

Mar 19 2010 4:42PM

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I'm serious about this. If the Illuminati is real, and they are planning a NWO, come and get me. If they supposedly know everything, and can get a hold of any info and they're watching, fucking right here right now I want you to prove it to me. I'm calling all out bullshit. Come and get me muh fuckaz.

Mar 19 2010 4:55PM

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this is why I love being Canadian

Mar 19 2010 4:58PM

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im not even gonna pretend i watched it. i saw new world order and typical crappy youtube documentary music, and just closed it.

conspiracy theories are nothing new, theyve just become a lot easier to spread with things like youtube. no reason to go grab your tinfoil hats.

Mar 19 2010 5:01PM

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@woozy Yes, secret tests the military conducted on the lethality/effects of certain chemicals in the 60s and 70s is a justification for the government to be wasting millions of dollars spraying chemicals on cities RIGHT NOW to give them lung conditions and to control their minds....? Come on seriously... this is just absurd. We have enough sick and fat people already, no need to make more. Your conspiracy hopes aside you do realize how diluted these chemicals would be when sprayed a few thousand feet in the air right?

Mar 19 2010 5:33PM

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>implying condensed water vapor = deadly chemicals.

Mar 19 2010 5:46PM

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haha no.

I could go on forever on this but ill keep it short cause the subject is retarded and is not worth the time.

Yes contrails do last longer than they used to and yes they do form clouds. This has nothing to do with chemicals (btw spreading chemicals at the cruise altitude of a commercial aircraft would be useless). It has to do with the transition from turbojets to turbofan engines (since the 90's turbofan engines have taken over for commercial aircraft uses due to much higher efficiencies). Turbofan engines use a large portion of the air that goes into the engine inlet to cool the exhaust after the turbine. I won't go into the details but it makes the engine more efficient. Because the exhaust temperature is lowered and the mass flow rate through the engine is larger, more ice crystals form than normal turbojet engines. These form the contrails that people are confusing as "chemtrails." The higher the bypass ratio of the turbofan, the more predominant the contrails will be.

Additionally, the contrails will last much longer (up to 24-36) hours than turbojets because a turbojet exhausts more unburned fuel which "melts" the ice crystals. Many turbofan contrails will last so long that they will dissipate and form clouds.

There's probably more that i didn't mention and I didn't proof read this so I hope it makes sense.

Stop being so stupid.

Mar 19 2010 5:48PM

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lol, newschoolers members are figuring out and solving the worlds problems... its what we do when there is no snow, everyone knows that pfffft

Mar 20 2010 12:40AM

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It's so easy to forget the basic fact that it's cold up there, and thats why the turbine exhaust freezes.

You want to know how to tell if a conspiracy is bullshit?

Look at the people who started it/heavy proponents of it. If they are still alive, the conspiracy is not true. If the us govt willingly dumps chemicals on every citizen, what problem would they have killing a few who are outing them?

You people give the govt far too much credit. Think of how well run the US postal service is. Do you think the same organization that runs that could create/maintain something this huge?

Mar 20 2010 12:51AM

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but the exhaust does not stay for 24 hours and you cant turn it on and of with the flick of a switch. look at the video. some 4 engine planes only have 2 exhausts and others have 6 or 8 exhausts.

Why the fuck does the world have to come to this? Cant we all just click our skis on and shred gnar till the day we die?

Mar 20 2010 1:04AM

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no, the exhaust doesn't. But the frozen remnants do. And it doesn't turn on/off. People who believe in this don't seem to realize that air is not simply open space up high. There are wind patterns, and varying temperatures, all of which alter contrails.

And no, 4 engine planes don't have 2, or 6, or 8. again, it's just wind forcing them together/splitting them apart. The planes are likely going in excess of 600mph, do you expect everything to stay nice, neat and organized?

Mar 20 2010 1:21AM

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was nice to know you brah

Mar 20 2010 2:08AM

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Yes it does. Turbofan contrails stay between 24-36 hours and dissipate to form clouds. Everything the video describes is a naturally occurring phenomenon.

Mar 20 2010 9:16AM

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whoa i thought the video was going to go on to talk about cloud seeding and ways to manipulate weather, but then it brought up Eugenics and i was all. . .fuck this video.

Mar 20 2010 9:34AM

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yes, that is true, however that is a wartime, military project. The military is capable of keeping secrets, so long as the actual government is barely a part of it. The military is up to things that the US public can only dream about. Look up lockheed skunkworks if you want to know more about that...

And 130,000 people is a lot to keep a secret, but not nearly as many as would be required to pull off the chemtrails. If these come from commercial planes, every plane/airline is in on it. That's a lot of people...

And it also comes down to money if you really think about it. Weigh=valuable on a plane. Chemtrail generator=weight. Weight that could be used for more seats, more fuel, various things. The airlines would lose more money.

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http://contrailscience.com/ this site sufficiently debunks every single bullshit "chemtrail" theory, it has a forum / comment thing too so you can see all the tards that still think they know more than scientists because they read about chemtrails from the "experts"

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About the dillution. If these "chemical trails" as they call them behind planes are really chemicals, they are >1000 feet in the air and holding position. So where are your chemicals going? You have to understand how air masses move. A particle (chemical) cant just settle to the bottom the same way it would in water, the atmosphere is infinitely more chaotic and turbulent. The particle has to have enough mass to overcome uplifting forces from the ground heating during the day. This is why crop dusters fly 20 feet over the crops they are spraying. Making a chemical that is concentrated enough to be sprayed from >1000 feet and expecting it to have some effect is pretty absurd. Think about the diffusion/mixing and chemical bonding that would also be occurring, especially over a smoggy city. And if your going to pose all these bullshit questions trying to frame the government, why dont you probe their motivation? It makes no logical sense. I would believe we were doing chemicals in canada or mexico before I believed that US pilots were spaying chemicals over LA. Whether its a giant science experiment or not there is no rational reason to believe this. I see planes leaving contrails everyday and still have 10 fingers and two arms. Scientists test chemicals like those in your articles and worse on animals in labs everyday. Why wouldn't the government just do this in lab? You are only asking questions in one direction. About DoD denial They still deny the existence of area 51, funding cocaine trafficking, and delta force. Yet how many books do we have claiming the opposite. Secrecy in the business of national defense, don't act surprised. The government tests things on soldiers all the time (vaccines in desert storm), I do not doubt that the government would test things on its population. But there would be a motivation, not just hey lets spray these people see what happens. This is the 21st century we do real science now. If the government wanted to poison the people there are much more efficient ways of doing it. (drinking water?) Im not opposed to questioning the government, there is a time and place and this isnt it. You are just picking the wrong topic too defend. If I need to be more fair in my reasoning, you need to be rational. Our government cant keep its sex scandals quite, how the fuck would they keep this a secret?

Mar 20 2010 12:21PM

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wtf my paragraph breaks are gone

Mar 20 2010 12:22PM

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My threads

Mar 20 2010 12:22PM

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i like how woozy is only challenging the weak arguments. and ignoring the strong ones such as the explanations of how contrails are made by turbo jet engines.

Mar 20 2010 12:57PM

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You'll realize how stupid you sound eventually. It'll be like when i realized how stupid i was for believing the Zeitgeist movies.

Mar 20 2010 1:00PM

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Maybe you should stop getting pissed off about dumb cloud conspiracy bullshit, and get pissed off about things that effect your life everyday like this:

Mar 20 2010 1:01PM

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The invading armies planned for everything - except for one kid called... "Woozy."

Mar 20 2010 1:08PM

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Oh wow dude, you really blew my mind. All I read about history was in HS history books, and how George Washington chopped down the cherry tree and Lincoln was born in a log cabin.

Fuck you, condescending asshole.

Now for your theory, let me first say that I would buy this for every conspiracy theorist in the world if I could:

Lets say everything you said about cloud spraying is true. Everything, I mean every single damn detail. Now consider the manpower it would take to do all this? Consider the lack of humanity it would take a person to fly up in the sky and spray hazardous material over his own countrymen? You are trying to tell me that through all of this massively complex operation, not one guy, would feel bad about this? It just won't happen, it is simply too complex.

Mar 20 2010 1:15PM

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Just because something is possible, doesnt make it true.
Whatever theory you hold will make the world around you fit that theory. If you think everything going on in the world has some secret government conspiracy behind it, you'll be able to convince yourself its true, however retarded the idea is.

Mar 20 2010 1:25PM

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Im over this and all im really going to say is the joint chiefs have plans for everything. I would wager there are at least 10 different plans for invading canada, 10 different plans for taking mexico, and 20 different plans for invading both of them while nuking russia and framing france. None of which will likely ever be implemented. Dont try and use brainstorming and random think tank ideas as proof for corruption and conspiracy. About the Manhattan project. That happened in a time of no internet and when people didnt have cameras on their phones (omg). Information was much easier to control. Your only evidence is speculation, a secret military test from the cold war, and something great Brittan did 50 years ago.

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