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Where to mount my sfb's?

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El_Barto.
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Im looking for some advice here folks. I just bought some bacons from evo in size 182. i was a little torn on the size and woulda preferred a 177 but oh well. so i went with the 182 over the 172, after checkin them out in person at REI, with the idea that i will just mount them a little further forward than i would the 172's so the tips would be similar in length and hopefully they will ski switch better. im am far from the biggest of gents at 5'8 125-130 and i quit growing quite a while ago. this is going to be my 'go to' everyday ski because my other skis are 171 invaders and 179 LL2's. im also going to be doing a fair share of jibbin on these, none in the park though so no rails whatsoever.

so where should i mount them? if you own bacons, where are yours mounted and i do you like your mounting position? advice is greatly appreciated because these are going to be my pride and joys and i really dont wanna fuck up
Jan 24 2010 8:55PM
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skifanski
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id go 1.5 or 2 cm back from true for an everyday ski personally
Jan 24 2010 9:07PM
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BWalmer
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I believe recommended is like -6, if you want a more forward stance maybe split it and go with -3, or even -2.5, but I wouldn't go much farther forward than that.
Jan 24 2010 9:24PM
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Big_Spence
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2.5 from center.
Jan 24 2010 9:26PM
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El_Barto.
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ya, i wanna say its -5.5. one of my concerns is that EP chose that spot for a reason and im not exactly gonna go and argue with his mouting point, granted me and him differ in our skiin just a tad.


Jan 24 2010 9:31PM
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Big_Spence
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I can promise you that Eric Pollard doesn't ski his SFB's at -5.5.
Jan 24 2010 9:33PM
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El_Barto.
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thats sorta what i was thinkin, but it seems kinda odd that since its one of his skis they wouldnt use his mounting point as recommended. again, i realize we all dont ski quite on his level so we cant be lumped into the same category.
Jan 24 2010 9:35PM
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Big_Spence
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Rarely are skis "recommended" mounting points where the pros that actually mount them.
My guess is that Pollard mounts his very close if not at center.

But because you're on the smaller side, I think that 182 would be a little harder to throw around if you mounted it much more forward than -2.
Jan 24 2010 9:39PM
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BWalmer
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Well, Line's website says the recommended mounting point is 63mm back (or -6.3), but that doesn't mean that's where Pollard rides it. So that means the Core Center is -6.3 from true center, which would be the optimal riding stance for cruising around forward. But, you want a more progressive forward stance for going switch which is why I'm thinking -3 or -2.5 from true center would be best (I'm gonna guess, but not 100% sure that's EP rides somewhere around there). Where ever you end up mounting it, make sure you measure it out and mark it somehow so that it get's mounted there, cause you don't want to go through all this and have it mis-mounted.
Jan 24 2010 9:41PM
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El_Barto.
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you dont have to worry about that. normally i dont seek a second opinion but if you cant tell im insanely nervous about fuckin these up because i just dropped a weeks wortha pay on them and i might cry if somehow they get fucked. thanks for the griffs btw, they are goin on the puppies
Jan 24 2010 9:49PM
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BWalmer
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Yeah, I figured you knew already - I just always feel compelled to say it when anyone's asking about mounting positions. No problem, that's gonna be a sick set-up, enjoy.
Jan 24 2010 9:54PM
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El_Barto.
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by chance have you ever ridden bacons, being sponsored by line and all?
Jan 24 2010 10:00PM
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BWalmer
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That is one that I haven't ridden - the only wide ski I've skied from Line is the Lizzies (and Anthems, but I think of wide as over 100). Being on the East Coast I really don't have much need for a ski that's much more than 100 underfoot.
Jan 24 2010 10:05PM
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Big_Spence
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I've ridden a pair.
They were mounted 1.5 back if that's what you were going to ask.
Jan 24 2010 10:09PM
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El_Barto.
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shoulda spoke up sooner. how big are you? what size were they? howd ya like them? what terrain/snow did ya ski?
Jan 24 2010 10:12PM
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Big_Spence
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I'm 6'1 165lbs.
They were 182's.

I skied them up at Big White on about 6 inches of pow. For me, they were super fun. Skied both regular and switch very well. Also did well in the air and were quite predictable. (Took them in the park for a lap) If I were to get a pair, that is where I would mount them for sure.

But for you, since you're a bit smaller than me, I would say 2.5 back. I think this will still give you plenty of float and still be very skiable switch/usable in the air.
Jan 24 2010 10:17PM
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El_Barto.
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bam....thanks a bunch homie, exactly what i was lookin for. im not gettin them mounted until wednesday so i will have some time to ponder but you guys really helped
Jan 24 2010 10:27PM
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ABH
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I put them 1 cm back.. and they rock my socks off.
Jan 25 2010 12:47PM
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El_Barto.
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how big are you? what size are they? what type of terrain/snow/style?
Jan 25 2010 1:11PM
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ABH
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I'm 6'1 170 so I have them in 182. They are my everyday ski. 1 to 1.5 cm from true center with my FKS gave me almost a perfectly centered ski weight wise. I ski everywhere. and I like to ski backwards.
Jan 25 2010 1:48PM
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panojibber
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I got a pair of the 07/08 ones used this year, and I have them at -6. Haven't skied them too much, but I took them out for a day on the weekend and they were pretty dope. I skied pow, moguls, crud, and a little park and they were really sick everywhere (except for moguls). I especially noticed that switch was amazingly fun and easy - I would rather ski these switch than my centermounted walls.

This was also really bugging me because I got my bacons used and already mounted (fit my boots perfectly fortunately) and after studying Idea I have determined that pollard's heelpiece is in approximately the same place as mine, meaning he doesn't ride his bacons centered. I think he probably has them closer to -6. Also consider the fact that he uses these as his all mountain ski. And I have a feeling Line is a company that would put recommended where Pollard actually rides them, but that's just my opinion.
Jan 25 2010 2:07PM
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El_Barto.
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thanks for all the input guys. K to those of you who werent at 10 already.


question here for someone who really knows there shit, or at least more than me... which isnt hard. why, if the sfb is nearly symmetrical, is the recommended mount so far back?
Jan 25 2010 11:29PM
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BWalmer
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Most likely it has to do with the flex points and the side cut of the ski.
Jan 25 2010 11:34PM
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iffe
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Does the SFB have the early taper in the tail too, or only nose?

If it's nose only then that of course pushes the narrowest point of the ski towards the tail.
Jan 26 2010 10:31AM
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panojibber
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Nose only.
Jan 26 2010 2:58PM
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ABH
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Lies! Both tip and tail are tapered... check it..

http://lineskis.com/skis/sir-francis-bacon
Jan 26 2010 4:29PM
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panojibber
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Hmm... I have the 07/08 ones sitting on the floor of my room and the tail looks either not very tapered or not tapered at all. However, these are a few years old - its possible that they changed them, but I can guarantee you the tails are less tapered if they are tapered at all.
Jan 26 2010 5:50PM
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B-runge
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i have them in 182, i am 6'2", they actually measure out to 178cm tip to tail so your good in the department of wanting them being shorter and they ski real short
i mounted mine +3 from rec -3 from true center, i personally wouldnt go any farther forward at my size i would go back like -4 back from true would be ideal for mostly pow skiing but still a fair amount of all mtn and a little bit of park if you wanted. but at your size id say -3back would be ideal for what i just described for myself and 2-2.5 back would be a little better for more all mtn and switch riding, id say you would still float well and it would still preform well, and about ep mounting his i have only seen him ride "bacons" in the park in the last few years but then again who ever knows what he is riding with all the protos line will just throw a topsheet and base on one of his skis on anything. like in hunting yeti he rode some ep's or something like them with a 09 topsheet in some/most of the jump scenes.

idk if i helped but i have these skis and easily have 50+ days on them so if you have any more questions feel free to ask them
Jan 26 2010 6:24PM
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El_Barto.
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^any input helps, especially from someone who owns them.

got another question for ya guys. why, since im smaller, would it be better for them to be mounted back? what is the reasoning/logic behind these recommendations? my 179 LL2's are center and i ski them just fine
Jan 26 2010 7:46PM
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B-runge
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idk who said that^
Jan 26 2010 7:58PM
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El_Barto.
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whoops, i misread what you said but bigspence in a few posts up said that he skied them at 1.5 but for someone my size he would do 2.5.
Jan 26 2010 8:05PM
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Kevski
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I have the 182 SFBs from last season. The recommended point is 6cm back from true center.

I have mine at 3 back, and it's pretty good for all mountain. Keep in mind that I'm 6' though so I need all the tip I can to stop tip dive. But I like to ride switch a fair amount so I wanted it further forward than -6. I still get some tip dive, and they don't carve 100% perfect switch either being 3 back from center. I lose a little bit of both worlds, but that's expected for a non-rockered ski mounted between center and recommended. They are super fun all over the mountain and turn like whoa.

If you're shorter and lighter and this years are rockered, you won't need to worry about tip dive so you could mount further forward with less consequence. I think 1.5 to 2cm back from center could be a good point to mount at for all mountain performance and jibbiness.
Jan 26 2010 8:15PM
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B-runge
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makes sense
Jan 26 2010 8:15PM
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El_Barto.
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some people say they are and some people say they arent. before i bought them went to REI to check them out and they clearly had rocker when i put them on the ground and stood on them.

but yea, im not worried about floating because these thing are huge for me and on deep days, over 10", i have my LL2s to keep me up top. so im thinking the closer to center i am the better, i havent made up my mind yet but i know im goin anywhere from center to -2 at the furthest.
Jan 26 2010 8:22PM
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B-runge
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theyre not rockered until next year
Jan 26 2010 8:27PM
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El_Barto.
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idk man, my pair is still in the shrink wrap so i cant really tell but the ones at REI clearly had rocker
Jan 26 2010 8:29PM
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Kevski
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I was under the impression that this year's had a little early rise or mini-rocker, and next season they will have full-blown rocker. I could be wrong obviously.

But yeah at your size, I'm thinking closer to center is best for you.
Jan 26 2010 8:34PM
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B-runge
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really, they arent rockered, unless yours are special....
Jan 26 2010 8:34PM
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Kevski
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Yeah I guess that was just a rumour during last season. Line's site mentions no early rise for this season.
Jan 26 2010 8:38PM
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El_Barto.
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mine are still wrapped and gorgeous next to my bed so i dont know about them, but the ones at REI clearly had tip rocker. you know how on a rockered ski the tip vibrates like crazy when you hit it when the skis are on the ground, the bacons were doing that.
Jan 26 2010 8:39PM
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B-runge
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please stop the self embarrassment
they are not rockered
if you want proof open yours, if they are for some strange reason, fuck me, take a pic.
Jan 26 2010 8:42PM
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El_Barto.
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embarrassment, please, maybe if i was postin all my clothes i might be embarrassed. jokes of course

but im just goin by what what i saw, held and stood on, the ones at rei were rockered. no question about it. dont believe me fine. but why would i lie about somethin like that, especially to a bunch of strangers?
Jan 26 2010 8:46PM
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B-runge
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how much rocker?
Jan 26 2010 8:51PM
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El_Barto.
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i didnt measure it, but it was minimal in height compared to my LL2s but it seemed to run a good distance of tip of the ski. but nonetheless, it had some sort of early rise shit goin on.

fuck it, im gonna go cut open my shrink wrap
Jan 26 2010 8:54PM
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B-runge
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good i want pics :)
Jan 26 2010 8:57PM
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El_Barto.
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brunge, you are correct, mine are NOT rockered. i have no idea what was goin on with the ones at rei but mine are not. who knows, maybe a bunch of fatties were flexin the crap out the ski there.

anyways, back to the point. thanks for the help guys. any other opinions are appreciated
Jan 26 2010 9:00PM
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B-runge
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>:)
lol if someone broke the core handflexing at rei
Jan 26 2010 9:03PM
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El_Barto.
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hahaha, now its gonna seem like i was lying the whole time. i would go get pics, but the store is in ptld and i live in bend. i was home for the weekend visiting my family. i will however go check the store in town here and see what theirs look like.

do you want pics of mine just to see there amazingness? bc i wouldnt oppose taking some
Jan 26 2010 9:04PM
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B-runge
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yeah 2010 bacons are sick, speccially if you got the rare green bases
Jan 26 2010 9:05PM
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Banane.
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Core Center ! no for real just buy some schizo binding worth the price
Jan 26 2010 9:09PM
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El_Barto.
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im glad i didnt get the green, even if they are rare. the red stands out like crazy. i just need to get someone to hold my camera and let me jump over them to get a sweet pic of the bases.

Click for larger image
horrible light but you get the idea, they are sexy


Jan 26 2010 9:16PM
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