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Live Lifes vs. Czars?

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PKalow
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Anyone who has a bit of detail or experience with these two skis want to give me a quick comparison? I demoed the Czars for two days last year and thought they were really fun skis, they didn't have any that were long enough (just 164's left) but still skied well. Anyway, I'm looking to buy some pow/all mountain skis this season and theres alot of good deals on last years LLs, so I'm wondering how they stack up.
Oct 30 2009 2:22PM
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twsnow22
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i got some time on the live lifes last year..i liked them alot.. I only got to ride them for a few park laps..but they are light, and playfull..i know nothing about the czars.
Oct 30 2009 6:30PM
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AJizzle
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same kinda experience.. had the czars last year only got about 7 days on them tho, but 6 were deep. skis are super playful in the 182 length, but have enough backbone to mach chop if u want and be stable.
Oct 30 2009 7:18PM
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PKalow
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Sweet, thanks for the input guys. anybody else have some? seems like they're pretty similar skis
Oct 30 2009 7:35PM
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Twig
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I have ridden the Czars for one day. I thought they were pretty good, but fairly heavy, they float pretty good forwards, but the lack of tail rocker kind of spoilt them for me.. you could still slash turns but it wasn't an effortless feeling, landing switch was again, possible but not as easy as a tip/tail rocker ski. I haven't ridden the Live Life itself, but it has tail rocker, stiff flex, and is definitely lighter than the Czar. To be honest i think they are quite similar but i think at least in theory the Live life has the czar beaten in every way.. Easier on groomed (Czars have like 40m radius), slightly more rockered, tail rocker for effortless slashes and switch skiing, lighter and Surface have unbeatable customer service..
Oct 30 2009 8:34PM
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[~_~]
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Not really. the Czars have a rocker in the tip, whereas the Surfaces have the 3 Stage Rocker.
Oct 31 2009 2:09AM
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bootleg_BEN
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What??? they are like one of the lightest skis ive felt.


My dad has them in 174 with griffons and they are sooo light. One ski mounted weighed just about half a pound more than my 189 bents UNmounted.


I have skied the czars. Pretty fun ski IMO.
Oct 31 2009 2:33AM
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Candy
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He's talking about the Surface Live Life which only has tip rocker. The Surface Live Life 2 is the ski with the 3 stage rocker. Confusing I know.

I'd say go Surface. Better Skis IMO.
Oct 31 2009 1:40PM
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powday
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wrong. I have Live Life 1's and they have tip and tail 3 stage rocker...its just only a 4mm rise instead of the 8mm rise in the LL2's.
Oct 31 2009 3:38PM
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Twig
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actually if we are being pedantic, Surface measures the 3 stage rocker by the angle of the slope. Live Lifes have a 4 degree sloped rocker and LL2s have 8 degrees I believe. But yes the 08/09 Live Life definitely has both tip/tail rocker. The new Live Life only has early rise tips and regular tails.

Oct 31 2009 5:15PM
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powday
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I ment 4 degrees..not mm so you basically said the same thing as me.
Oct 31 2009 8:11PM
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chazz.
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check out a quick new product video from surface, Live Lifes are featured, shows them having just a small amount of gradual tip rocker, and very small tail rocker. No matter, Id ride Live Lifes over Czars any day. Cheaper, fatter, lighter, better. In my opinion.
Oct 31 2009 9:47PM
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captainEMERICA
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i rode the czars for a while and hated them, idk anything about the other skis but i would recommend  against the czars
Nov 1 2009 1:23AM
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bootleg_BEN
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Czars are kinda weird. Not alot of people on NS have them and the people that have rode them dont really like them.


But alot of pros ride them so there must be something alright with them. But i guess there is just alot of salomon riders.
Nov 1 2009 1:27AM
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