Capital Punishment

Bring back public stoning and shit.

Quite frankly, somebody kills somebody in a premeditated state, kill em. Fuck em. Fuck rehabilitation

everyone likes a good ol' hanging.

punishment is designed to make you not want to do something...personally i would much rather be killed than rot in solitary confinement for the rest of my life for murdering someone or some super crazy crime...so i dont think capital punishment is the best solution

I agree that cost should not be an issue. Taking a persons life should never be a finical matter. However this debate always boils down to someone that thinks they are a hard ass saying something like (in a southern accent) "I don't want no murderer sitting in jail living off my tax dollars!" So when someone says something like this you can respond "Chill our bro, it actually costs a significant amount more to put someone to death so you are actually saving money!" Then me and your hick cousin Jim realize we are not that different and everyone enjoys some ice cream.

I do not subscribe to any religion, I think religion is pretty fucking stupid myself, then again no one asked me. I derive my morality from experience and instinct. I know that it is wrong to kill, I know that it is wrong to steal, and I know that it is wrong for society to seek revenge as opposed to following a well written legal code.

As far as the world goes it is much easier to list the governments that still allow the death penalty. It is illegal in all of Europe, South America, Asia... There are very few places that allow the death penalty outside of military tribunals. So universally the death penalty is vied as immoral.

It is a terrible practice and from the last time I looked at it as far as government sponsored capital punishment goes I think we are #3 in the world. Right behind Saudi Arabia and Iran. Tell me why the US, the beacon of hope and culture that we think we are, stills allows this punishment when 3rd world countries have found it disgusting.

And someone asked about it being a deterrent. It is not, in fact states with the death penalty have a higher murder rate than state with out capital punishment.

So it costs more, is not a deterrent, is deemed immoral by the vast majority of the world, allows the state sponsored killing of possibly innocent people, goes against everything this country stands for, is religiously frowned upon (for you religious people), and a growing number of people in this country are against it, and IT ALLOWS THE STATE SPONSORED KILLING OF POSSIBLY INNOCENT PEOPLE!

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and I know that some places in Asia allow the death penalty sorry that is poorly written. Just trying to say that most of the world has outlawed the death penalty.

But isn't much of Africa and the Middle East Muslim?  Which means they have sharia (don't know if this is right) law?  Which has things like chopping peoples hands off for theivery, killing the victim of a rape, and things like that?

my thoughts exactly.
abolish capitol punishment and bring back gladiatorial combat

probably, that place is fucked up. I had the "privilege" of going to Egypt and Kuwait for work last year and both places are shit holes. There is literally a separate branch of the police who just drive around and enforce religious laws. Not sure about Egypt but Kuwait is dry (no alcohol) and something like half the people there are indentured servants.

I know that they whip rape victims but I don't know about killing them. You can get whipped for wearing shorts if you are a girl. The place is backwards as fuck.

Africa is Africa, if we want to base our legal system off of Africa...

I guess I should say most of the 1st and 2nd world (who is in the 2nd world I do not know) have outlawed the death penalty.

Not to thread jack or anything...but I'd like to point out that using the Declaration of Independence as the foundation for a debate on capital punishment is an incredibly pointless and stupid exercise. The Declaration of Independence is not a legal document and therefore can not actually be "violated".

Except it has the term, "unalienable rights" and was used as a legal document to tell England basically "Fuck you, we are making ourselves our own country".

Simply because the Continental Congress put words on a piece of paper that say they are no longer a part of Britain, that does not make it a legal document. Statements such as "unalienable Rights" that are in the document have absolutly no legal bearing with Britain or with the thirteen colonies. Such items in the Declaration of Independence are merely grievances as to why colonial America no longer desired to be apart of the Empire.

It was just something that came up in my class that I thought was interesting.

And, by your rationale does that mean we should take the right to vote away from everyone except white land owning males?  Cause the Declaration of Independence was used in all the arguments to give women, and non white people the right to vote.

Citing the Declaration of Independence for the sake of debate does not make it a legal document. It has nothing to do with granting rights to any person or group of people. The only document that has the power to do that is the US Constitution. The point I was making was that something that has absolutely no legal power in any way, shape, or form can not actually be violated.

Yeah, I am just trying to be the jerk that says something against everyone.  I did it in my class today and got a 50 min House of Commons style debate (people were ready to trow punches) today in class that the prof just let go.