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What do you suggest for a first car?

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AntifreezeSteeze
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Alright so I'll be turning 17 in April and I'm starting to save for my first car. I was looking at Subaru 2.5 rs' but wanted to know what cheap cars you might recommend. Keep in mind I make 7.50 and will probably only have about $2,500-3,000.
Sep 28 2009 6:56PM
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Malcolm
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just pitch in for gas occasionally, unless you want to be a complete dick
Sep 29 2009 3:34PM
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Rachy
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actually worked out great for me. my car will be paid off right before my loan payments kick in.

I would rather own a decent car with no payments and be making student loans than be making student loans and have a car payment.

Just need to make sure you can afford your car payment during school. My first one was a a 8 year old GTI with only 50,000 miles on it. Great car and a $150 a month payment. Then I went to my impreza with higher payments, but I will own it %100 percent in february.


And besides, having a decent car saved me soooo many times. Moving constantly, driving an 112 miles round trip to go skiing, driving 700 miles roundtrip to go to ski competitions, having reliable transportation to get to my job, and having a vehicle that could handle the off roading trips to get to archaeology sites.

Most of the people at my school got newer cars before college or in their first/second years. I did go to somewhat of a commuter school though. 25,000 students 6,000 on campus.
Sep 29 2009 3:43PM
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AntifreezeSteeze
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Thanks for all the feedback. No my parents are not helping which is great because I was the one who wanted to buy the car and its going to be my first real big investment which I wanted. To the guy who said get a convertible, my parents have a convertible m3 so I'll pass, thanks though. It may be my first car but I'm a decent driver after my dad raised me on go-karts, and taught me how to drive a short stick shift racing setup with a racing clutch(they're a bitch haha). So a manual is ideal, I don't need ABS, although I wouldn't mind it. I live in Northern NJ if anyones selling a car around there. Thanks.
Sep 29 2009 4:41PM
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shintastic48
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HOLY SHIT DUDE. I RACE GO KARTS TOO. ITS INFACT MY FIRST SPORT.
Sep 29 2009 6:27PM
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Thenowhereman42
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Well, VTEC is Honda's easily mass produced, cheap alternative to a turbo.  Its the same idea as Mazda's rotary engine or Subaru's Boxer engine.  The point is really more to make the engine more efficient, but it essentially is like a cheap crappy mass produced turbo.  Its like the McDonalds of turbos in a way.
Sep 29 2009 6:29PM
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Thenowhereman42
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Also you should try to get ABS.  You'll probably crash at some point and I've definitely been in accidents before that could easily have been prevented with ABS.  Without ABS once you slam on the brakes you are basically just hoping you slow down in time while waiting for impending doom, it sucks.
Sep 29 2009 6:32PM
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AntifreezeSteeze
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thats why you pump the brakes to maintain control over the car and make it possible to steer instead of sliding out of control
Sep 29 2009 6:56PM
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Ben.
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any 90s camry. one of the most reliable cars on the planet. i have a 93 and all ive had to do is standard maintanence, and fix the bumper where i hit something.
Sep 29 2009 7:02PM
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hartig
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i have to say, when the time comes around, its not as simple as it seems
Sep 29 2009 7:58PM
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josh.
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im buying a Mazda b2200 truck from my auto teacher, 8 foot box and a canopy = bed when you need it and enough room for any thing you can imagine. 2.2 liter 4 cyl means its great on gas as well.

Camry's are solid cars too, as are civics.
Sep 29 2009 8:00PM
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Chompo.
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audi a4 diesel quatro
Sep 29 2009 10:26PM
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AntifreezeSteeze
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I went to Mid-Ohio for the teen defensive driving course and practiced with both ABS and without it on the skid track. Since then I have actually used that technique while going around a wet corner with bald tires, its all about staying calm and reacting quickly.
Sep 30 2009 4:01PM
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ShredTheGnarnia
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jokes? or do you really not know what turbo, vtec, boxer, and rotary engines are?
Sep 30 2009 4:37PM
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Mr.BOYD
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buy american

Sep 30 2009 5:21PM
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NCurry
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GET A TOYOTA!!! there the bestttt
Sep 30 2009 5:26PM
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josh.
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HAHAHA

boxer engine = flat 4 or 6, so doesnt make it more effencient (maybe one or two percent if you want to nit pick)

rotary engine = Click for larger image

vtec=Variable Valve Timing and Lift Electronic Control, all a turbo does on the other hand is put more air in the engine, so its nothing like a turbo at all.
Oct 1 2009 1:33AM
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U.daho
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Get any kind of Jeep, shit is unstoppable. don't get a loud ass rice-burner. i hate those cars
Oct 1 2009 1:39AM
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hartig
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yeah, you're retarded
Oct 1 2009 1:41AM
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PaleCelery
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Its nothing like a turbo at all.

Don't talk if you don't know what you are talking about
Oct 1 2009 1:47AM
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Thenowhereman42
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It doesn't work like a turbo, its what they put in the car so it doesn't have to have a turbo.  Thats why the RX-7 can have a 1.3L engine (maybe 1.7?) and still be mobbin.

And VTEC its self, when your actually using it, almost feels like a turbo.
Oct 1 2009 1:48AM
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vincepru
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+1 on that, this kid has no idea what hes talking about. if you prefer a cheap turbo set up over a nice turbo, you have never seen or owned one, the housings crack like no other.
Oct 1 2009 1:50AM
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hartig
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1) rx-7s have turbo's, dumbass (at least any that will be "mobbin", the N/A ones suck dick in comparison).
2) vtec ≠ turbo. i dont give a fuck about what you say in response to this, but vtec is nothing like turbo. have you ever driven a turboed car or a car with vtec? didn't think so.

k bye
Oct 1 2009 1:51AM
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josh.
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its a completely different type of engine that generates power in a completely different way, making displacement when compared to other conventional engines a useless form of comparison.

and you've never driven a car with a turbo, you've made that quite obvious.
Oct 1 2009 1:57AM
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Thenowhereman42
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Yes actually I've owned 2 civics and a GTI.

When you have a VTEC engine, once you get to a certain RPM (like 5,500?), the VTEC kicks in.  It, I don't know, messes with the cam or valves or something, and maximizes torque.  When driving, you can feel a little change in power once it kicks in.

When you have a turbo engine, once you get to a certain RPM (mine starts spooling at like 2k lulz), it, I don't know, does something with air pressure or whatever, and gives you more boost.  When driving, you can feel a large change in power once it kicks in.

I think it wasn't too much of a stretch to make a comparison.

I don't know anything about rotary engines but I just was told by an old Mazda tech that the purpose of a rotary engine is sort of vaugely the same as VTEC's purpose.
Oct 1 2009 2:00AM
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hartig
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you make me facepalm a lot.
Oct 1 2009 2:01AM
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Thenowhereman42
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And the purpose of VTEC is certainly to get more torque out of a smaller engine without decreasing fuel efficiency.  The purpose of a turbo is to get more power out of a smaller engine without decreasing fuel efficiency so they do basically do the same thing.
Oct 1 2009 2:03AM
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Thenowhereman42
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that isn't even an argument.
Oct 1 2009 2:04AM
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vincepru
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yes it is. quite solid too.

it might actually be more than facepalming, more like slamming my head into my desk
Oct 1 2009 2:26AM
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Thenowhereman42
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Ok, just to clear things up, I don't think VTEC is the same as a turbo.  A turbo compresses air to get more air in the cylinders to increase power.  VTEC I'm not so sure on I think it messes with your cam somehow to make it operate differently once the RPM reaches a certain limit and somehow suck a little extra power out of it.  They are obviously not the same thing.

But they are in a car for the same reason.  More power out of a smaller engine.  VTEC just sucks a lot more.  And when you are driving a car with VTEC, you feel it in the pedal at high RPMs.  You feel a turbo in the pedal at high RPMs but its different, its more gradual as you pull through the lag and then you get a big significant boost.  VTEC is only barely noticable.  But, VTEC is sort of like a chintzy turbo.


Oct 1 2009 2:32AM
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PaleCelery
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That is a rotary engine, completely different from a normal engine, where the pistons go up and down. They use completely different methods to create power but rely on the same principle (compressed air goes boom). The displacement when comparing them makes no difference, but  in general a 2 rotor engine is basically about the same as a v6, and a 3 rotor engine is basically a v8, in terms of how much power they produce. The biggest difference is the way they work, they are able to create the same amount of power in a smaller displacement because a rotary engine doesn't have to stop and completely change direction like a conventional piston would, it just rotates, so it is much more efficient. It isn't like a turbo at all. A turbo is like using a fan to compress the air that is going into the cylinder, so when it ignites, there is more fuel in the same amount of space, creating more power.

And VTEC is nothing like either of those as well. They are all vastly different concepts
Oct 1 2009 2:39AM
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Freeheel4real
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This guy knows his shit. I drive an 02 outback sport. Love it! Subarus really are the official vehicle of our sport...
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Oct 1 2009 2:39AM
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Thenowhereman42
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that was very informative, I always wondred how rotary engines worked.

"they are able to create the same amount of power in a smaller displacement" - That is exactly what I'm saying, these are all different car companies different ways of trying to mass produce a way to get more power out of a smaller engine, like a turbo does.
Oct 1 2009 2:54AM
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PaleCelery
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I get what you're trying to say, but the rotary engine asn't designed because it could get more power from smaller dispalcement, it was designed because it has much less moving parts that a conventional engine and is smoother to run. It just happens to have a smaller displacement, because of the design.Usually people want to have a smaller engine because of fuel economy. My friend had an RX7 (2 rotor) and let me tell you, it did not get good mileage at all, even though it was only 1.3 liters

And a turbo isn't really supposed to get more power from a smaller engine, it is supposed to get more power to ANY size engine, be it a 1.6 liter civic or a 6.0 liter GTO
Oct 1 2009 3:01AM
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josh.
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vtec isnt meant to get more from a smaller engine, its meant to optimize the cam shaft at all rpm's
Oct 1 2009 3:04AM
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user098123
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You guys are getting trolled so hard.

A lot of people have something like v-tec too.  I can't think of what it is for audi, but for suby's its AVCS.
Oct 1 2009 10:24AM
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hartig
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its not trolling if he's legitimately retarded.
Oct 1 2009 10:34AM
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user098123
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Still sounds like a troll to me.
Oct 1 2009 10:37AM
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BC.
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96 Toyota V4 Camry PURPLE, pure beast, in a 5 foot dump i was driving around in it

honda toyota cant go wrong
Oct 1 2009 1:39PM
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PaleCelery
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No he's just retarded. I know my family members when I see them
Oct 1 2009 1:55PM
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987321654hgfd
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Yeah, pretty much every major car company has some sort of variable valve timing system.
Oct 1 2009 2:02PM
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Rayquaza
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Saleen S7

and/or

Lamborgini Gallardo
Oct 1 2009 2:03PM
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hartig
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you know, for being an obvious troll, you aren't so obvious.
Oct 1 2009 4:30PM
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PaleCelery
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thank you?
Oct 1 2009 4:38PM
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akread
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any jeep. no other option.
Oct 1 2009 6:28PM
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