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Concerning the treatment of female NSers

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RudyGarmisch
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Alright guys, serious moment here.

Over the last few days, there has been a spike in rather sexist remarks. I've been getting complaints, and I'm rather pissed off myself at the level of maturity my fellow skiers are demonstrating.

We often wonder why more girls dont get involved in freestyle skiing and its community. Why a girl with twin tips is such a rarity. Based on what I've seen recently, why would a girl want to be a part of this community? We complain that there arent enough freestlye skier babes, but then will reply to a girls post with "Get back to the kitchen LOL>"

Its not funny. Its pissing me and many of the established members off. If you cant control your 15 year old hormonal balance, take a break from NS for a while. If I or another mod see you demonstrate that you cannot, we will take the liberty of giving you that break.

Love,

Rowen
Sep 14 2009 1:29PM
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k-rob
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yup. and i've got to point out that some of the women on this site say some sexist things as well from time to time (especially when they feel the need to retaliate), and most male members let them get away with it because of all the sexism that goes towards girls here too. i mean if we were to start banning everybody who's said something sexist on here lately, then there a couple of women here who would deserve the same punishment.
so if we are planning on punishing dudes for saying sexist things to chicks, let's not skip over some of the things the ladies are saying back. that's my view, anyways.

Sep 14 2009 3:46PM
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Oreos
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Sep 14 2009 3:48PM
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Snowcase
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Seriously? I'm not even going to get into this argument. Girls like you are the reason guys make those comments.
Sep 14 2009 3:49PM
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Rachy
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I'm not crying about it, unless it is a comment made to me because I am female. Like when the guy told me I wouldn't be able to get out of the half pipe. Maybe that was just him being a jerk, but it was totally uncalled for and I'm glad I didn't let it wreck my day. But I know many more females that are a lot more sensitive about that sort of thing. We are female. We are sensitive. We are generally not capable of being as good as guys at skiing.


For the record, I am not a feminist. Jokes like get back in the kitchen dont bother me. Cause I can make jokes about buying drinks and looking at my chest and such. I don't think women are as qualified for many of the things that men are, But men aren't as qualified for many of the things women do, of course there are over laps and extreme cases. This is why I said I disagreed why there were so few women in the ski community.
Sep 14 2009 3:51PM
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daringharry
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get back in the kitchen..

hey guys am i funnay noa?
Sep 14 2009 3:53PM
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baaangthat
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exactly.  a related sidestory:

I live in a town thats like 80% mexicans.  in my town, theres a shitty fast food place that im pretty sure is operated by a mexican (all the workers are mexican at least) that sells burgers and tacos called "Gringos."  no one in the town bats an eye.  I want to open a place right next to it and call it "Spics" just to see what hypocracy follows.

if theres going to be any sort of punishment here, it needs to be 100% equal or else NS will lose any integrity it has.
Sep 14 2009 3:53PM
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Elijah.
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The only hate on girls I've seen at the mountain is the ones that fall getting off the lift. Other than that, everyone is stoked. But there's a ton of really good girl snowboarders up here too...
Sep 14 2009 3:55PM
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Arabian.
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And this is why you don't deserve equal wages. You ARE capable, and women are the least sensitive creatures on the planet. But this attitude is the reason why your skiing hasn't improved past 10 year old guy status.
Sep 14 2009 4:00PM
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Rachy
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generalizations (in use of argument) use all encompassing words.

All generalizations are false is a generalization.
Some generalizations are false is not a generalization.

All male skiers are jerks is a generalization.
Some skiers are jerks and some are really nice is not a generalization.

I learned that in philosophy 202.
Sep 14 2009 4:05PM
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daringharry
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holy karma to post ratio
Sep 14 2009 4:07PM
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k-rob
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and unless you've done the proper research to find whether or not the majority fits, "most" is a generalization as well.
Sep 14 2009 4:10PM
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baaangthat
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most is a generalization, as most refers to more than 50%.  you dont know 50% of the male park skiers that exist.  what you should be saying is "In my experiences, many male skiers blah blah blah." 
Sep 14 2009 4:16PM
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WikiWiki
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I think most things are said in good humor but there are some nasty comments so I agree
Sep 14 2009 4:17PM
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daringharry
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lol at your username and this thread
Sep 14 2009 4:17PM
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Oreos
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it's because she is female. =P
Sep 14 2009 4:18PM
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k-rob
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let's include women in the next war draft.
Sep 14 2009 4:19PM
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Scrub
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sticky?
Sep 14 2009 4:28PM
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KravtZ
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exactly what i was thinking.
Sep 14 2009 4:29PM
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k-rob
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let's do it anyways. if they bitch, we'll take away their right to vote.
Sep 14 2009 4:30PM
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baaangthat
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zzzzzing
Sep 14 2009 4:32PM
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Balto
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so no more tits or gtfo?

your much more fun in person rowen...
Sep 14 2009 4:35PM
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Rachy
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I clarified my "most" statement in my second/third/forth posting with my experiences and what I have seen, not directly towards me 99% of the time, but towards others.

Therefor my first statement was a generalization until I clarified, but the posting that was attacked was very specific to my experiences at Mt. High and in regards to many of the stories I have heard from friends when they were trying to learn.
Sep 14 2009 4:36PM
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BootySpunk.
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How did this turn into some Psychology BS thread about what the true definition of most is?
Sep 14 2009 4:38PM
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Arabian.
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Who the fuck cares? You're an idiot. Leave.
Sep 14 2009 4:38PM
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caucasian_chad
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So by that logic, if we allowed k-rob to have a black name, but also gave him the option to stay blue, that would be racist?

I don't think so.

Also rowen I agree with you.  It was funny the first time but not anymore.
Sep 14 2009 4:39PM
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Alex_G
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honestly, it is getting old it was funny at first but now its just like pee in her butt. the shit died. don't take it seriously because we dont, and make a joke about guys or some shit girls you gotta be a little more on point than just letting it happen.
Sep 14 2009 4:39PM
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k-rob
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whatever rights are taken from male draft dodgers (and yes i know there is no draft anymore, but there will be someday) could be taken from women who bitch about being added to the draft. IN A PERFECT WORLD haha.

Sep 14 2009 4:40PM
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Oreos
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philosophy instead of psyc?

sorry
Sep 14 2009 4:42PM
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k-rob
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eclay can have the black name, i'll take brown.
Sep 14 2009 4:43PM
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baaangthat
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come on, man.  she explained herself and her statements in question so that they are viable now.  youre post offers nothing.  i am not defending anyone here, just saying that your post was worthless. 
Sep 14 2009 4:45PM
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k-rob
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fuck a war against countries, i'm talkin full scale Halo wars against alien races from other planets. we could double our earth army if we drafted women as well, the aliens would be less intent on fucking with us if they knew we weren't gonna leave our females at home.
Sep 14 2009 4:47PM
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caucasian_chad
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Can I have a red name because I'm a daywalker?  That way I can pretend to work at ns.
Sep 14 2009 4:47PM
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klingisking
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i do see what you are saying here. however. i do not agree with you in a way. you sound like u get shuvved in the ass just becuase some guys mouth off and say rude things. some people do thet to me too.but if i fall on a jump and they yell at me to get out of the way. i would defff. tell them thet u have the same right as they do hitting the jump. falling is LEARNING. (if any of thet made any sence) but yeah dont let them get into ur head. when they say something rude, brush it aside, hit a diff jump, or even tell tehm off NICELY! the worst thing u could do is get in this huge arguement over NOTHING. dont be the rude one back. be higher then the negatives. i do, i really do know where ur coming from tho. im 14 years old, and i need to fall with out peeps hastlin me after wards.

the way i see it is dont let them bring you down. just keep moving through with ur progression and have fun with it. ignore those people who give u crap.

skiing should be fun. and others who do give crap to ladies, look at it the other way....if someone was giving u crap about being in the way and rushing them, how would you feel about it? after a while u would get fustrated and wont wanna be around people whan u ride or u wont wanna be seen trying ur best out there on the slopes. just keep in mind...treat others thet way you wanna be treated on the hill and off the hill.

:)

Sep 14 2009 4:47PM
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k-rob
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fuck it let's just give people a rainbow to choose from. imagine how dope the online members list would look...nvm it'd be mostly purple.
Sep 14 2009 4:48PM
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IRockLizzys
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Two things:

1. I took a 4-5 month break from NS and since I've come back, I see A LOT of 4chan references. Not that this is a bad thing, but it doesn't belong here. If you feel like being a chauvinist for the lulz, go to /b/.

2. To everyone that is arguing with that girl in this thread, stop giving her a reason to get to us. It's people like her that are provoking us into saying, "get back in teh kitchen lol" or "tits or gtfo." Try to ignore people like that and you won't need to worry about the ban cannon.
Sep 14 2009 4:51PM
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AMG.
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seeing people make derogatory comments towards women always makes me chuckle, not because i find what they say funny, but because its usually a projection of their own insecurities. i'm not threatened by women, nor do i fear them, so i have no reason to talk down to them or make sexist remarks.
Sep 14 2009 5:01PM
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pmw
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im 15 and ive never made remarks at all like this...fuck you
Sep 14 2009 5:08PM
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Mr.Panda
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doesnt everyone get hate when they fall getting off the lift though?  especially at baker.
Sep 14 2009 5:12PM
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bermbuster49
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what mountain do you ski at?

i mean shit, all a girl has to do at my hill is look good and ride twin tips and no one gives her any shit at all.
Sep 14 2009 5:15PM
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SteezyOhio
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chill out you whinny faced brat, its a general warning to ALL members, not directed towards any members in specific....

Also is there a list of specific sexist remarks/names or racist remarks/names we are not allowed to use?
Sep 14 2009 5:16PM
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pmw
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im a whinny faced brat? jeez dude, words hurt...
Sep 14 2009 5:18PM
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sarahskis
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I think rowen is making a pretty solid point. 

Go team

Sep 14 2009 5:23PM
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Frank_Spinatra
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I think "get back in the kitchen" and "tits or gtfo" are just fucking lazy.  Have some creativity instead of falling back on hundreds of years of sexism.  We're better than this.
Sep 14 2009 5:42PM
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Rachy
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Mt. high and then I get pressured a bit in Mammoth to hurry a long on the jumps. I'm sorry, the 30 foot jumps still freak me out a little bit and I'm getting used to it....

I think its just a lot of people reallly pissed off cause the lift lines are half an hour for a 3 minute run. That and well.... you need to see it to believe it. I'll see if I can find a photo of what one goes through in the park there.

Mammoth isn't as bad at all, people are just impatient and now and then you get the jerk that is just a jerk.
Sep 14 2009 5:58PM
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PurpleDino
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Rachy everyone has problems with being rushed along. go find some guy skiers that are stoked that your even attempting park skiing and ski with them. people will be less likely to try to move a crew of skiers along
Sep 14 2009 6:03PM
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Balto
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i think you should go make me a sandwich

jokes...
Sep 14 2009 6:04PM
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factory81
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Newschoolers is having a female civil rights movement here......woah wait a minute


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Sep 14 2009 6:06PM
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Deletedtoday
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i am one of the main offenders but any girl that complains about those kind of comments are people id want to ski with
Sep 14 2009 6:07PM
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