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Do you have to show ID?

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comeatmebro
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i gave google a try but i just don't know how to work the damn site and can't figure out good keywords so just fuck that.

anyways does anyone know if you are questioned on the street or something and not under arrest but the police officer asks for ID, do you have to show him? i'm pretty sure you have a right not to but what the fuck do i know.
Aug 18 2009 1:17AM
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RudyGarmisch
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I think its usually a good idea to show you ID.
Aug 18 2009 1:17AM
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comeatmebro
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well obviously if you have nothing to hide it is. but in decriminalized states etc. since you aren't under arrest it could come in handy as far as lying about your name or something and refusing to show ID could help. i'm not sure how much sense i'm making right now.
Aug 18 2009 1:20AM
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0ptions
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The harder time you give a cop, the harder a time the cop is going to give you. If you have nothing to hide, then just show him, make sure you know your fake well. haha.

Aug 18 2009 1:20AM
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kepler.
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I can't help you with your question but I read something cool today.

When stopped by a police officer, they have the right to pat you down to make sure you don't have a gun, but they can not make you empty your pockets unless they have probably cause. I never knew that before.
Aug 18 2009 1:22AM
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comeatmebro
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that's interesting. it just really sucks that they can easily abuse their power and all it takes is a simple "i smelled marijuana on the person" and they can do whatever they want pretty much. even knowing your rights can only get you so far when the law can be bent and twisted to whatever an authoritative figure wants it to be.
Aug 18 2009 1:25AM
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kepler.
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Marijuana scented candle. Keep one wherever you keep your bud. If a cop says he smells weed just tell him you're just burning a candle.
Aug 18 2009 1:26AM
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RRhighrider
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 They can take you to jail if you do not have proof of identification in California.  i do not know if it the same in other states.
Aug 18 2009 1:30AM
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TheButterHashira
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I don't know if you have to show him an ID because there is a good chance you might not have it on you. You are required to tell him your actual name and other basic info that would be on the back of that car.Lying about those things is quite bad.
Aug 18 2009 1:32AM
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Caveman.
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I read somewhere on a legitimate website that you dont have to legally show ID unless you are being arrested or otherwise detained. I rarely ever have my ID on me unless Im driving. Usually when I drink I just ride my bike to eliminate the chance of a DUI and eliminate having an ID on me at a party.
Aug 18 2009 1:35AM
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Valind
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in idaho If a police officer approaches a vehicle and suspects that the occupants are engaging in sex, he must either honk, or flash his lights and wait for three minutes before approaching the car.
Aug 18 2009 1:36AM
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bradcoffey
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all you gotta know is right here http://www.flexyourrights.org/

great site lots of info on your constitutional rights
Aug 18 2009 1:48AM
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turtles
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 just let them see your ID is your name that big of a deal? when it comes down to having yourself or your car searched thats when you need to put them in their place. if a cop approaches you for no reason which happens pretty often, they can only pat you down for weapons if you step out of the car. unless they have probable cause they cant search your pockets or your car even though they will probably ask to. be polite and respectful and tell them that they cant and to fuck off
Aug 18 2009 1:50AM
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invader7
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yeah. its the stop and frisk law. yeah he can randomly stop and pat down anyonee. but say he pats too long. or is feeling around at something in your pocket or reaches in there, anything he finds wont be valid in court because his search was illegal and too extensive.
Aug 18 2009 1:53AM
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RICK_ROSS
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no, spit in his face and call him a derogatory term according to his ethnic background
Aug 18 2009 2:01AM
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DR.SHRED
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thats kinda funny
Aug 18 2009 2:03AM
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lineskier10
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i know in mass if you get a ticket you can lie to the officer about your name for some reason that i forget, i think i read it on some news website so google it
Aug 18 2009 2:04AM
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jayo.
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haha i live in idaho. that's good to know
Aug 18 2009 3:50AM
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GreenHorn
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i was wondering who was flashing their lights and honking at me..... :)
Aug 18 2009 3:53AM
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marsland
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thats only if you are stopped for weed and nothing else.  my econ teacher told us that one day so i know its legit that you can give a fake name and not provide ID in MA
Aug 18 2009 3:57AM
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Thenowhereman42
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If you are over 18 it is illegal to not carry and present some form of identification.
Aug 18 2009 5:02AM
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neutralzombie
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there's something about this stuff and other laws in anarchist books. but otherwise it's good to know your rights.
Aug 18 2009 5:46AM
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Caveman.
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What state are you talking about? Every state is different and if there is a state like that that is pretty fucked.
Aug 18 2009 9:46AM
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BEagle
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At least for driving a car I know it is illegal to not have an ID so if you are pulled over driving your car either you get a ticket for not having it and end up giving him your name later or giving it to him at the time.
Basically, dont get caught being a fucking idiot and you shouldnt have to worry about this.
Aug 18 2009 9:50AM
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mark.p
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You can get a OVI (which is what they call DUI's nowadays) when driving ANY vehicle.  That includes riding bicycles, rid on lawn mowers, cars, etc.  Just a heads up, you might be better of just walking or taking some other sort of transportation when partying.
Aug 18 2009 10:47AM
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Commonwealth
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I'll let someone else post one of those 'lol wut' pictures.
Aug 18 2009 11:01AM
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musick13
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no, not if you were doing anything illegal

but if they try to make you show it that's illegal search and seizure and you can sue there asses black
Aug 18 2009 11:18AM
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deleted5
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22:00 thread/
Aug 18 2009 11:26AM
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Caveman.
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Every state is different. For example in Montana you can get 5 DUIs before you lose your license. No other state is that lax on drinking and driving.
Aug 18 2009 7:29PM
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Hack.The.Pow.
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damn you beat me to it
Aug 18 2009 9:44PM
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Valind
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i live in sun valley.
Aug 18 2009 9:45PM
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Peter.
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i only have my ID on me when i have my wallet, and most of the time i just leave it in my car
Aug 18 2009 10:10PM
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Crack.
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Lets just say that youre running from the police and they tackle you. Obviously the frisk you, but at this point do they have the right to make you empty out your pockets or reach in there?(no homo)
Aug 19 2009 9:08AM
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kepler.
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Uhhh I'd assume pretty much instantly. If you run from them doesn't that give them probable cause that you're doing something you shouldn't?

I'm pretty sure if you run you don't really have the option to say that they can't search you. I was mainly talking about if and when an officer happens to stop you on the street or at a bar or whatever.
Aug 19 2009 9:44AM
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factory81
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If a police officer requests your ID you have to fork it over. He can say you are being temporarily detained for questioning for [insert suspicious activity here], and a failure to do so could result in [insert law here] (obstructing justice, messing with a police investigation, refusing to obey officers orders).

And yeah it only starts you off on the wrong foot with the cop.

All he has to say is a 7-11 was robbed and you fit the description. My friend had a tan Chevy Blazer, he got pulled over for no reason other then "another vehicle fit the description that had been stolen" and he was pulling him over to just make sure everything checked out okay.


Aug 19 2009 9:58AM
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AMG.
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Doesn't say much about ID, but anyone from Ny state might want to read this...i had no idea you technically only get a fine for possesion there...

http://www.alternet.org/story/141866/the_epidemic_of_pot_arrests_in_new_york_city/?page=1#comments

Aug 19 2009 9:58AM
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kepler.
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Remember this is mainly New York City that holds policies like this. It's not representative of how all of New York State enforces Pot Laws.
Aug 19 2009 10:07AM
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bhutch
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what about if your in a different state do cops go harder at getting you in trouble like i was in fl and im from pa at a party that got busted i dipped out but my one friend from pa got caught he just gave a fake name and said he was 18 and the cops didn't do really do anything...seems like cops really don't care there
Aug 19 2009 11:33AM
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Crack.
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Yea i got what you were saying I just had another question that sort of linked off of your statement. Thanks for answering that though. Haha your answer makes more sense then what I was thinking.
Aug 19 2009 11:35AM
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kepler.
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From my experience, cops really don't give a shit where you live. Last Thanksgiving I got arrested in St. Louis by some jackass local cop, for trespassing no less. Luckily I got him to give us a summons instead of hauling our (19 year old) asses in to jail on Thanksgiving day (it was like 1 in the morning). But I'm sure it really depends on the area and I probably just got a dick of a cop.

But watch out for simple, non-arrestable things when you are in a different state. If a cop can give you a ticket for anything, they will. Because they know you're just passing through and it's not like you'll come back to contest the ticket. You'll just pay the fine and the city/state just made a little bit of quick easy cash.
Aug 19 2009 11:45AM
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Crack.
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i have to ask my noob question. What are "summons".
Aug 19 2009 11:49AM
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Crack.
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i have to ask my noob question. What are "summons".
Aug 19 2009 11:50AM
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kepler.
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It's a piece of paper that "summons" you to court.

See our country has decided to create irrational policies that crowd our judicial systems with non-violent offenders. People who do no harm to anyone but themselves or others who agree to the harm (read: prostitution, gambling, drug use, etc) These people are arrested by the millions each year. Most police stations and court offices can't handle the sheer amount of people being arrested so they issue you a summons to come to court later down the road so they can control the number of people being arraigned, indicted, etc at one time.
Aug 19 2009 12:02PM
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Ben.
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thats fucked up.
Aug 19 2009 12:31PM
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Caveman.
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Ya the Montana Association of Bars or whatever its called has some pretty big lobby power. The average male in Montana drives drunk 530 times before getting caught.
Aug 19 2009 12:44PM
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BestDamnSkier
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Taken from the ACLU Website -------------- 2. You must show your driver's license and registration when stopped in a car. Otherwise, you don't have to answer any questions if you are detained or arrested, with one important exception. The police may ask for your name if you have been properly detained, and you can be arrested in some states for refusing to give it. If you reasonably fear that your name is incriminating, you can claim the right to remain silent, which may be a defense in case you are arrested anyway. --------------- http://www.aclu.org/police/gen/14528res20040730.html Also, watch the youtube video. It has proven very helpful for me. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yqMjMPlXzdA
Aug 19 2009 12:58PM
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inactive
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Flex your rights says yes you can be arrested.

This one’s tricky. As a general principle, citizens who are minding their own business are not obligated to "show their papers" to police. In fact, there is no law requiring citizens to carry identification of any kind.

Unfortunately, in Hiibel v. Sixth Judicial District Court of Nevada, the Supreme Court upheld state laws requiring citizens to disclose their identity to police when officers have reasonable suspicion to believe criminal activity may be taking place. Commonly known as 'stop and identify' statutes, these laws permit police to arrest criminal suspects who refuse to identify themselves.

Regardless of your state's law, keep in mind that police can never compel you to identify yourself without reasonable suspicion to believe you're involved in criminal activity. Rather than asking the officer if he/she has reasonable suspicion, test it yourself by asking if you're free to go.

If the officer says you’re free to go, leave immediately and refrain from answering any additional questions. If the officer detains you, you'll have to decide whether refusing to disclose your identity is worth the risk of arrest. Click here for more info.
Aug 19 2009 1:40PM
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