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40th Anniversary of Apollo 11 moon landing

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fujarome
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I wanted to point out that today is somewhat a significant day in human history....40 years since we first left the earth and landed on another celestial body! It is in my opinion the greatest bit of exploration in human history, and it's a shame that humans have basically backtracked with space exploration since. Hopefully obama doesn't cancel the new program to land on the moon around 2020ish.

So happy....40th anniversary of the first moon landing? I guess?
Jul 20 2009 3:37PM
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SARTRON
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it was fake!
Jul 20 2009 3:39PM
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JuliusJ
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ignorant or kidding?
Jul 20 2009 3:45PM
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fujarome
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i hope for her sake kidding.
Jul 20 2009 3:46PM
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Tasche
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Historic day brought to us by a generation that we will be lucky to match at best.

And anyone who thinks it is fake you are a horrible person who is cheapening the achievements of the past. You really think 1/2 a million people lied and kept the secret? Foolish.
Jul 20 2009 3:49PM
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fujarome
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and the fact that earlier in the week NASA actually photographed the landing sites on the moon. And you can see tracks left by astronauts and the descent stages of the lunar modules used
Jul 20 2009 3:51PM
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Tasche
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exactly there is overwhelming physical and testimonial evidence I just can't see how people could justify a fake.
Jul 20 2009 3:55PM
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PacificRimJob
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Take that you commie scum!
Jul 20 2009 3:55PM
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SKIDUBAIGUY
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And never will their be any point of going their again, sort of, unless theirs a major reason.
Jul 20 2009 3:59PM
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fujarome
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and why not? We didn't even scratch the surface scientifically speaking.

And are we content with just sitting around on earth? Humans are meant to explore.
Jul 20 2009 4:00PM
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SARTRON
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hmm im gonna go ahead and play devils advocate for a few so dont get to mad at me.

theres substantial amount of evidence that the landing was faked.
1. in the filming process of the landing, the american flag is shown "blowing in the wind" which would be impossible as there is no air in space

2.underneath the spacecraft that landed on the moon, there is no mark where the landing jets would have been blowing out fire as they landed on the moon

3. at area 51, there is a crater field that looks exactly like the craters that were filmed from the footage

theres a lot more evidence stacked against the us government as to why it was faked and how. many people believe that the us faked it to show superiority over Russia, who we were in a battle with to get to the moon first and apparently, they were winning while we were barely able to get a craft to launch.

id like to add that i get a thrill out of conspiracy theories so dont hate me too much!
Jul 20 2009 4:05PM
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SKIDUBAIGUY
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Im talking humans here, robats can do that shit for us, and even better than we would.
Jul 20 2009 4:05PM
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fujarome
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true, and we are doing it with robots, but the problem is that the general public and most people just won't care unless there's a person doing it. And either way, you can only do so much with a robot.

and again, despite all that, the United States is going back one way or another.
Jul 20 2009 4:07PM
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deleted5
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1. there no gravity to hold the flag down so the flag would be floating in air
2. the moon is not grass it does not burn
3.so what
Jul 20 2009 4:08PM
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fujarome
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hmmmm...and theres more evidence that we DID land on the moon.

1. the flag did not wave. The flag had wires along the top/edge so that it would actually be displaying, not just sagging there. It only moved when the astronauts touched it. Need proof? Watch the videos of the apollo 11 moonwalks. It's 30 straight minutes of recording, and the flag doesn't move once.

2. the dust was blown up. there are photographs of it. But they are well known because well....who wants to look at pictures of the moon showing only blown dust under a lander? And there was no fire. no oxygen=no fire.

3. theres no point even addressing this one. You know they didn't just land at 1 place, right? Apollos 11, 12, 14,15,16, and 17 all landed in different areas. The fact that there is 1 similar crater field means absolutely nothing.

4. Barely able to get a craft to launch? That's right, i forgot about the 6 mercury missions and the 10 gemini missions. By the late 60s, Russia was nowhere near ahead of us. Most of what they had used to get "ahead" of us were more or less stunts. Things like launching 3 people in a craft built for 2, and putting a woman in space.
Jul 20 2009 4:20PM
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Tasche
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The Russians tracked and confirmed Apollo 11 landing on the moon... Why would they confirm it if it was a fake designed to show our superiority? Neil Armstrong would punch you in the face.
Jul 20 2009 4:27PM
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PacificRimJob
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That's a load of crap. I've watched a lot of space race documentaries and things about all of that, and the N1 moon rocket was far from ready even when 1969 came around.

In 1966, Sergey Korolyov, who was Russia's Von Braun, so to speak, died from a poorly performed surgury...

after that happened, the russian space program was never the same. They didnt even get any of the N1 moon rockets off of the ground until 1971, and the fuel that they were trying to use was way too explosive, and caused them to explode just seconds after takeoff. They also had way too complex of an engine system... 30 engines in comparison to the 5 used in the Saturn V rocket.

With what was found out in 1990, the only thing the soviets were able to beat the americans to with the moon race was development of a lunar lander.. which, looks remarkably similar to the LEM used on the apollo missions, but much smaller, as it was only made to carry 1 person. It was tested, and ready to go far sooner than the LEM was, but only because the soviets chose to focus on the lunar lander first, rather than the rocket to get the LK as it was called, to the moon, as the Americans did with the Saturn V


Just some sweet fun facts :)



Jul 20 2009 4:34PM
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fujarome
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the problem with the russians was that the built their lander and assumed the rocket wouldn't be as hard. Their lander was basically a mini version of the LM, which supposedly left the pilot about as much space as a coffin.

The n1 is a fantastic looking rocket, but getting 30 nk-15 rocket engines to light at precisely the same exact second was too much for them. I believe th closest they came was a 107 second flight, and pogo oscillations (look this shit up) caused it to either break up or shut down, i can't recall. I know there was 1 where something got ingested and shut down a fuel pump, which eventually left 1 of the 30 engines running. Must've been spectacular to watch a rocket that massive explode though.

and the americans had similar problems though, but somewhat the opposite.  They had problems with their 5 f-1 rockets ripping themselves apart because when they all lit together, they were so powerful.
Jul 20 2009 4:43PM
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OhMyBosh
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The problem with conspiracy theorists is that they watch their one video "proving" how something is fake or whatever, and fail to watch the opposing video that destroys every piece of BS "evidence" shown in the first video.

The moon landing was not faked. /discussion.



Now, how about getting men on Mars?
Jul 20 2009 4:43PM
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Tasche
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To go off on a different tangent;

Do you think a manned mission to the moon to study the effects of living on a basically resource less area should be the next step, or a manned mission to Mars? Or scrap the space program all together?

I think that the majority of the testing could be done on space stations and not the moon to prepare for Mars.

Also there is a lot of talk about building a space elevator out of carbon nano tubes. This could slash the price of launching something into space so that large complicated crafts could be built in space. This is a long way off but the research is promising.
Jul 20 2009 4:48PM
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fujarome
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yea they look at the 10 pictures of the many thousands.

i'd love to see them start a mars landing program. They logistics of it are completely ridiculous though. It would cost a hell of a lot of money and would be much harder. I think it's like an 8 month trip to even reach it.
Jul 20 2009 4:49PM
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i think we should put the space program on hold, for now. Space later. This will also work out well for my goals to fight martians
Jul 20 2009 4:51PM
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fujarome
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i think putting it on hold would completely kill it. The thought of the us, considered to be the most powerful country in the world, not having the capability to put a man in space is not a good one. And we can't just keep going with the shuttle, because first off, the shuttles themselves aren't certified to fly much longer, and because it's basically a massive money waster. If we're going to put money into a space program, we may as well do something more useful with it than fund a dangerous, essentially useless vehicle that actually turned out to be a step backwards in human space flight.

And i'm not sure if some of you realize...this isn't really a question being asked anymore. Humans ARE going back to the moon. Look up the constellation program, or the Ares rocket series. The next generation of rockets are already being built to go to the moon.
Jul 20 2009 4:56PM
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PacificRimJob
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haha yeah... the soviets were never space or comfort conscious.. lol.

the first attempt was in february 1969... but a fire started and they went back to the drawing board without the rocket even leaving the platform.

the second attempt was july 3rd, 1969... but the rocket exploded 23 seconds after takeoff when 29/30 engines shut off due to a bad fuel pump, when something got sucked into the engine during liftoff.

the 3rd attempt was nearly 2 years later in june 1971, where the rocket went into a crazy uncontrollable roll, and blew up after 53 seconds.

the 4th and final attempt was oever a year later in nov 72, when like you said, pogo oscillations caused engine cutoff in the first stage, and a programmed shutdown of some of the engines, which was in place to prevent overstressing the engines caused an explosion in engine 4 107 seconds after takeoff - in which the rocket exploded and dissintegrated.


A big reason for the problems was also the fuel used in each stage of the N1 was kerosene, which required the top stages to be a lot heavier with fuel, and meant that, even thought the N1 put out immense amount of thrust, even more than the saturn 5, but due to its heavier top end, and its complexities in the cluster engine caused it to be a failure in the end. Not to mention the underfunding the soviets had on the project...

2 more N1's survived since the project was disbanded in 1974-76, but were broken up to hide soviet failures. components and pieces of them still remained at baikenur until Glastnost, when the whole world saw what really happened.






Jul 20 2009 5:10PM
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Robert.T
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I am not even going to try and argue with you as I will probably have no luck and you will just doubt my sources.  However, I did a little reading this morning that helped to confirm all my beliefs in the apollo 11 mission.

I urge you to read this article and please respond.  http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/31965108/ns/technology_and_science-space//

Jul 20 2009 5:22PM
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freezed
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The Aries project isn't looking good! I'm really disappointed, there's going to be large gap between when we retire the shuttle and get its replacement going
Jul 20 2009 5:24PM
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Robert.T
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double post.  sorry.

Just for the record i am not mad, just fighting the devils advocate.  But it's a good read for any doubting people out there.

Jul 20 2009 5:25PM
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Vikingskier
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ya

Jul 20 2009 5:26PM
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Valind
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Was the moonwalk faked? No!
It would be these highly defined footprints that would set some armchair physicists crying the moonwalk was a fake. In the years to come there would be those who would claim Apollo astronauts never went to the moon. They said all of it was done on a movie set in an Arizona.

It occurred to me that if NASA had been so deviously smart to persuade 400,000 Apollo workers to lie, to persuade the Russians to lie, to persuade the people tracking the lunar flights with giant radio antennas around the world to lie ... well, if NASA got away with it once, would the agency be so stupid as to try to get away with this world-class hoax nine times?

The claim is too dumb not to be laughable.  It is sad.  We as a people would rather think the worst of ourselves than the best.

Nevertheless, scientific investigators investigated.

Jul 20 2009 5:28PM
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yourthemannowdog
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yeah fuck regan, he ruined our space explorations programs, we were so motivated. We had early plans to visit other planets, its possible but regan was intrested in money.
Jul 20 2009 5:37PM
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fujarome
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yea it's going to be a few years which is too bad, but at least this time we still have some access to space using the russian soyuz rockets. not like when we went from apollo to shuttle and had no way to get up there and save skylab.

the main thing that bothers me about ares is that we're going to be using 2 rockets to do what we did with 1 rocket....more than 40 years ago. Although i guess now we can bring more people and stuff along, but still. Strange.

and i also thing the rockets with recycle the solid rocket boosters from the shuttle program, which worries me a bit. The problem with the SRBS, and also what makes shuttle launches dangerous is that once they are lit...you cannot stop them. They must burn until they run out of fuel. Luckily the new ares rockets will have an escape system like the old rockets did.

(fun fact for you, with the space shuttle there is no escape system)
Jul 20 2009 5:43PM
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Liam.Butler
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Watch the episode of mythbusters "moon landing hoax" and you will see why you are a simpleton.
I hope buzz aldrin clocks you one too.
Jul 20 2009 5:59PM
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Tasche
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Another topic of discussion is making space travel a private venture. Would a corporation be more efficient and better suited to send a man to Mars? Or a joint NASA operation, with a private company? There would have to be incentive like an X prize say 10 billion for going to mars and back. Just thoughts.
Jul 20 2009 6:01PM
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Robert.T
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Read the first line of the person you are quoting... she doesn't actually belive this.  Just trying to stimulate conversation.
Jul 20 2009 6:01PM
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jblaski
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Wrong Sir, Buzz Aldrin would punch them in the face. hahahah

No hate, I had to post this when I read your comment.


Jul 20 2009 6:02PM
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fujarome
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i think the problem with that would be safety/training might slip a little, and then you run the risk of some company making claims that since they were the first, they have some sort of ownership rights to mars. A joint operation wouldn't be as bad, but i still feel that deep space exploration is something that governments are the only ones capable of undertaking. The costs alone would be insane. I'm not even sure that 10bil. would cover them for a private company.
Jul 20 2009 6:05PM
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Tasche
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haha thats great thanks for posting that. I read somewhere that one of the astronauts punched a guy in the face when he asked him over and over again to swear on a bible that he had been to the moon.

That's what we need more of in society.
Jul 20 2009 6:12PM
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Valind
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Jul 20 2009 6:14PM
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fujarome
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unfortunately buzz aldrin has had some other problems. He created some around NASA when he openly campaigned to be the first man on the moon, he wanted to be first because he was religious whereas neil was not, and felt neil wasn't focusing on the spiritual side of things enough. Then later on he became an alcoholic. But i've read that he was possibly the most technically-gifted and smartest astronauts nasa has ever had. Hell, he basically determined how to move in zero g without too much trouble.

Best astronaut of all time=al bean from apollo 12. everything that man did/does is hilarious. Look him up.

oh, and i recommend everyone watches the HBO specials "from the earth to the moon" Excellent series. I am just about always rewatching them.
Jul 20 2009 6:23PM
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Tasche
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^ Apollo 13 was on HBO yesterday. Tom Hanks is the man
Jul 20 2009 6:24PM
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fujarome
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he was also one of the producers of From the Earth to the Moon. He was in the last episode as a film maker. The only downside to the series is they sometimes choose to cover other topics during the missions. Apollo 16 i think is all about the wives of astronauts which, while interesting....isn't as interesting as landing on the moon
Jul 20 2009 6:28PM
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Billups
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From the Earth to the Moon is such a good series. My roommates and I were on a huge space kick and watched them all, really interesting stuff.
Jul 20 2009 6:50PM
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OhMyBosh
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I lol'd.
Jul 20 2009 7:21PM
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ski-swagga
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thanks, i was wondering why google has the moon thing on their page.
Jul 20 2009 7:54PM
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B.Fantana
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so this is why discovery channel is playing so many lunar specials...
Jul 20 2009 8:09PM
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deleted5
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the myth buster episode is on right now
Jul 20 2009 9:03PM
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fujarome
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definite sign that its a significant day is when google changes their icon thing.
Jul 20 2009 9:12PM
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