I was looking at both of these skis to buy, and i cant see any major differences other then the graphics. They both seem to have about the same weight. specs are a little bit different, but i dont think a few mm is going to make a huge difference. They both seem to be stiffer skis, they both come in the same size i am looking for (176). If any one could point a difference in them that i forgot, please tell me! It could affect my decision on which ski i am looking to buy. I am leaning towards the pipe cleaners, but it could definitley go either way. and im looking at the 08/09 models. Thanks for the help.