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North Korea vs USA (basically)

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Jibbidy
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like wtf?  What do they seriously think they can keep getting away with? 

I'm Canadian, but I want to see some good old American ass-kicking.

For those who have no clue what I'm talking about because you're playing too much Call of Duty 4:

North Korea is evil and communist.  They tested a nuke (underground) in 2006 against United Nations rules.  They did it again in may, and launched a "satellite" (really a long-range missile, which got halfway to Hawaii and hit the ocean).  They aren't allowed to fire any kind of missiles.  They are currently planning to launch another towards Hawaii, and have a freighter sailing across the Pacific with bad shit on board.  They like to stir the pot so that the world gives them economic aid (money) which they just spend of their fucking military, but it's been going too far lately.

I AM LAUGHING WHENEVER I READ THE NEWS BECAUSE THEY ARE GONNA GET THEIR FUCKING ASS KICKED.  I don't care if they have the 3rd largest military, they are small, and the US, with the help of the UN too, will crush them.  Fucking assholes.


Jun 20 2009 8:18AM
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ATLskier
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it was a joke and mccarthy wasnt even involved with blacklisting(that was in the house) and mccarthyism is a made up term anyways
Jun 21 2009 4:12PM
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eastside
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shut up. we dont need a history lesson in this thread.
Jun 21 2009 4:30PM
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ATLskier
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how bout a nice glass of shut the hell up. He used a term in the wrong way (but there really isnt a right way to use the term as liberals just use it to hide their support of communists and the lack of patriotism). Obviously people need a history lesson if they have no idea what they are talking about (first off, the blacklists were conducted by the House Un American Activities Committee, McCarthy was a Senator).
Jun 21 2009 4:34PM
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killabees
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greneda

panama

gulf war i

somalia

Jun 21 2009 4:45PM
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gmack24
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I agree but if the U.S. and U.N. refuse to tolerate these actions, I wouldn't be suprised if North Korea invaded the South. They have nothing to lose, and that is exactly what scares me.
Jun 21 2009 4:53PM
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grown-ninja
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wow, it seams as if a lot of you guys have been watching a little too much fox news, the majority of you and our country as a whole feels the need to be militaristic... why on earth are people making such a big deal about this, (well i understand why) but why on earth is it that only the United States and Israel are allowed to have nukes (sarcasm) the entire world should be focusing on nuclear technology,  i understand the whole thing behind crazy military dictatorship but just because we don't agree with a form of government doesn't give us any right to intervene, over throw, and put in place a new sudo democratic government that we will install and conform to comply with our worldly agenda, we have troops located all over the world, we are spread so thin this is the last place we need to be we have somethingh like 30,000+ troops still in korea and vietnam, we are losing a war in the middle east right now that we are spending trillions on, we have military bases in over 100 countries, we have bases in iraq larger than entire countries (the vadican) we cant keep spreading our resources so thin, we are on so many fronts right now and if history repeats itsself thats bound to not turn out well, we dont need to be isolationists but our primary focus should be on the betterment of the united states not north korea, the who situation is sort of mutual deterance, they aren't going to do anything to us becasue they know what the ramifications will be, idk sorry to rant but a lot of the posts in this thred were just pretty annoying
Jun 21 2009 5:23PM
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AMG.
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lol yeah, i mean, i could become a doctor, but fuck it, i'll make the same if im a garbage man, so why try. you're right about it working on paper, but there needs to be enough money, that when spread equaly, everyone still has a comfortable amount of money.  

and to whoever said communism worked in Cuba:

have you ever been to cuba? its all margaritas and sunshine at the resorts, but outside the resort's walls, its a whole different world. alot of the people live in tiny cement houses and rely on a system equivelent to food stamps for grogeries. so yeah, that did work out well, not much better than the majority of a country on welfare right? even in the resorts it sucks for the cubans.they can't watch tv or they'll get fired (they dont get american chanels that the resorts get) and if you made more in tips from 3 people, than you did in a month from actual pay, would you consider that a good job? however most of the people are fairly happy considering there situation, but that could also be because they have never experienced anything better. basically, if a cuban came to either canada or the united states, lived there for a while, made some money, and decided thet he/she would rather live in cuba's communist economy, i would believe it worked there.

Jun 21 2009 5:41PM
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skiminnesota
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question.

if communism is so vastly superior over capitalism. then why would Cuba want to trade with the heathens in the US?

i would expect a economic communist powerhouse that does not need to bow at the feat of the capitalistic greedy united states.

just FYI the free market kicks communism's ass up and down the street.
Jun 21 2009 7:33PM
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SirFryanator
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maybe it's not all about economic growth, did you ever think of that?
Jun 21 2009 7:38PM
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skiminnesota
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im a greedy SOB. i have no problem admitting that. :)

my point being that IMO free markets are better than the government pulling the strings as to how an economy should run...

prosperity is not a set size, just because my piece of the pie is one size does not mean your share got smaller.

Jun 21 2009 7:45PM
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SirFryanator
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Consumerism and greed are the root of all of our problems. I know that I am greedy, but I have attempted to reverse this. Communism is not the way, neither is capitalism.

We need to simply exist. Anything that furthers ourselves in other people's eyes will fuel the fire that is destroying who we are as human beings and individuals. If you are a truly individualistic person then you will understand that fulfillment of greed is masturbation of our egos. Why do we feel it is important to be "cool"? Because we've been told since our youth that it's important to fit in, and that is the basic premise of the US market: to create trends and sell according to what others say.

Free market would be a great way to go, but you would have to take away government as well. The only true form of capitalism are farmer's markets, where people set their own prices and have little to no restrictions on what they sell.

In an idealistic world, there would be no trade. We would contribute as much back to nature as we take, which is impossible nowadays. Eventually we will run out. I don't care if I sound like a hippie, it's just common sense that consumerism will eventually kill off the human race from competition and overconsumption.

Of course, you could also just be happy knowing that the United States of America will be the United States of China because of capitalism and international trade.
Jun 21 2009 8:10PM
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troublemaker3
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the vatican is its own country, they have their own currency, flag, and postal system
Jun 21 2009 8:56PM
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the_moderaper
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i blame obama for sucking the worlds dick and especially giving our ENEMIES free money in our time of economic crisis. hees too much of a kiss ass celebrity to kill anyone and now hees oppoligizing for killing a fly in an interview. A FLY!!! kiss asss
Jun 21 2009 9:20PM
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thisandthatfilms
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summer NSG is not in full swing
Jun 21 2009 9:27PM
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skiminnesota
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the thing i have the hardest time with is greed / the drive to make something better.

like take for instance what if Henry Ford had simply adopted the attitude of "o well, we really dont need an affordable automobile, its just a greedy extravagance. horse and buggys are good enough"

or what if computers were seen as good enough and there is no real reason to improve them.  we could have gotten along with  what we had, so why strive for something better? we should have been happy to just exist?

i do agree that America needs to curve its "right now dammit i want to trade up now" mindset for one that is more long term looking towards their own financial future instead of being obsessed with having the beemer in the driveway, the cabin by the lake, and sending the kids to the most prestigious universities. 

however IMO (and alot of other peoples IMOS) the government has its own fair share of the blame for the housing bubble. if banks are able to sell bad loans to the government, money is cheap, and government taking the risk out of the mortgage equation on the banks end. then what do you expect, banks not to make loans? hell no. not to mention the whole CRA.
Jun 21 2009 10:01PM
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SirFryanator
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what makes something better than another? it's impossible to quantitatively analyze the "better-ness" of an object.

Personally, I think humans are not the highest on the food chain. The reason our species will die out sooner than any other known species on the planet is because we have transcended our abilities to survive. Our minds have created technology that will kill us as well as other animals and plants. We don't deserve this. What if, let's say, bears had the ability to think like us. We'd be eliminated from the planet very quickly seeing as how our resources would be gone, not to mention bears with semiautomatic rifles would be quite difficult to kill.

North Korea is a piece of shit. The true communists are the peaceful people who are like-minded and wish to be collaborative with nature and, yes, remove the "greedy extravagances" that foul the human thought process. Survival is far too easy nowadays. I'm not promoting communism, because I believe it is impossible to be communist. In fact, I believe a free market/anarchist/capitalist system is a much more likely candidate for the future of our world when the resources are drained and government/laws mean little.

This is why I love skiing, I don't worry about cars or clothes or any of that. I feel HUMAN. There is the potential of injury or death with just nature and me; there are no distractions that protect me from what is really out there. I don't think about the future or the past, I live in the present. Life goes by too quickly for me to deal with the bullshit that society lays on us. Go smoke a bowl or take a powder run and think about that.
Jun 21 2009 10:32PM
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CKpolicy
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everyone knows nobody is afraid of silly little asians. unless they cloned bruce lee a million times, but hes not korean so were all good.
Jun 21 2009 10:39PM
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Jun 21 2009 10:56PM
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ECfreeski3
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the fact that you are so ardently against communism shows that 1) you know nothing about it and 2) you are the epitome of western arrogance and ignorance. your "communism is categorically evil" bullshit makes you sound like '50s anti-soviet propaganda in the form of a person.
Jun 21 2009 11:07PM
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.KYLE.
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This is the stupidest thing I have ever read in my life.

The only reason you have the ability to ski is because of greedy bastards. Thinking about the bullshit society lays on you isn't building chair lifts, its not creating power to get you to the hill, and bring you up the mountain. It's not powering factories to make your skis. The only reason you can take a powder run is because a greedy man built a ski lift on a mountain he wanted to make money off of.

The only reason you are able to live your life in such luxury is because of people working solely for themselves, trying to make money.

Jun 21 2009 11:28PM
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SirFryanator
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It's a hypocritical situation and I don't like it. And that is NOT the only reason I can take a powder run. I've hiked peaks numerous times and skied down without paying a dime, except for the skis and the outerwear. My life is not luxurious in my eyes. Luxury for me is happiness. I'd much rather live on a mountain and be self-sustainable (which I have done before) than work in the fucked up system that we call a nation.
Jun 21 2009 11:43PM
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Tasche
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nah bro its a term used to describe the communist witch hunt that occurred during the red scare days of the 50's. Its the perfect term to describe someone who suggests that people be blacklisted. It is "made up" just like any phrase used to describe a situation, because the situation must occur for the term to exist. However I think you think it is a made up term like the holocaust.(joking)

You are one of the more retarded people on NS and I pretty much hate everything you say. I have never respected and will never respect you. Stop posting stupid shit.
Jun 22 2009 12:31AM
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Clevinger
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As a Canadian, and as a non-violent man, I believe America should go scorched-mother-fucking-earth
on North Korea if it's possible to do so without risking nuclear war. America's army/style of fighting wars is perfectly suited to fighting an actual army and would be ridiculously effective if it pulled its head out of its ass and stopped dicking about with police action shit. I think it could be a great opportunity to change the way history will look upon the USA and perhaps some good might even come of it.

In short: USA! USA!
Jun 22 2009 12:44AM
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Ben.
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after reading this i have come to the conclusion that it is YOU that needs to have a nice big cup of go kill yourself. honestly. spare the rest of the country this idiocy
Jun 22 2009 1:53AM
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Mr.Panda
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why dont we all do this?
Jun 22 2009 2:07AM
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Ben.
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lampshade on the HEAAADDDDD.


but seriously. unpatriotic unamerican bullshit. im so tired of hearing that crap
Jun 22 2009 2:55AM
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grown-ninja
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actually the vatican is a country number one, and we still occupy areas like korea (38th parrall and the DMZ demilitaried zone) i wrote it out incase you didnt know what that was asin allien, and we are indeed still in parts of vietnamn  number two.

so...maybe its time for you to go home, seems as if your posts are are pretty worthless now

Jun 22 2009 8:46AM
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AlexGaynor
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What if his nuclear powered cock jizzed everywhere?
Jun 22 2009 8:46AM
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HERCULES.
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NUCLEAR WINTER FTW

BLOW THERE SHIT UPPPP

Jun 22 2009 9:58AM
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wnab21
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hes just ronery and arone
Jun 22 2009 10:18AM
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Delphi
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not true at all,  he just adheres to an unpopular belief system that small-minded people like yourself are too mindless and brainwashed to consider.
Jun 22 2009 10:21AM
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ace_
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IDK man... I really think he's better than us... Like seriously he has to be right, i mean come on, he knows everything... HA
Jun 22 2009 10:27AM
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Delphi
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what...oh sorry, I thought you were talking about Ben or Drew, because that character reference fits either  one of them much more appropriately.
Jun 22 2009 10:36AM
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skiminnesota
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yet the irony even if you do live like this, i would bet you will be benefiting from the greedy capitalistic system you seem to despise. (maybe you dont?)

if i remember right you are the NSer who goes to a boarding school in another country correct? if thats not an extravagance then fuck if i know what one is. sounds like someone was greedy for something better (an education) so it would seem that even in your condemnation of greed that just maybe you are just as guilty, if not more guilty than other people.

but hey if you want to live in a cabin in the woods all by yourself, go for it. im not in your way.
Jun 22 2009 11:05AM
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SirFryanator
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I was sent there...not really my choice. I completely understand that I am greedy, but I hate myself for it. Ya dig? That's the gist of what I'm trying to day.
Jun 22 2009 11:07AM
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ski@jaypeak2
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Quality post.  George Carlin said it best at the end of his "inside the actors studio"  We are trying to use technology to solve problems that technology created.  If that doesnt sound retarded i want out now.  We are an evolutionary deadend.  There is no place else for the human race except major changes in the way we live our lives.

And to skiminnisota- maybe he feels this way BECAUSE he was sent to boarding to school.  When you are forced to be surrounded by arrogant greedy fucks, living in the woods doesnt sound like a bad idea.

Jun 22 2009 11:50AM
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skiminnesota
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fiirst off. i ASKED HIM if he was the NSer i have seen talk about it over and over. only a question bud.

and whether he was sent there, or chose to go there. i would hope we can agree its a pretty extravagant situation to attend school in another country while living there.

like i said, earlier, (maybe you missed it?) i couldnt give two shits if he wants to live in the woods by himself..

do you know for a fact that he is always surrounded by arrogant pricks? or was that just a hasty generalization of kids who attend expensive schools? i know kids who attended private schools with tuition rates higher than some 4 year universities, and they couldnt be nicer/ cool to hang out with.
Jun 22 2009 11:56AM
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SirFryanator
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You made it seem like I was greedy for going to boarding school, don't deny that it was your intent. No worries though, I respect your beliefs. We're all greedy S.O.B.'s :)

I went on scholarship anyways, so we paid quite a bit less than most people, but still...what my family paid was a ridiculous amount. I can't justify it. I went there so that I can get into a university that costs less than what I would have paid for the boarding school if I were paying full tuition. What a fucking stupid thing to do, IMO.

I do agree that there are people that are super cool there. For example, my friend and ex-roommate who lives in San Fran is dirt poor and goes to the school on scholarship. My other friend lives in Bermuda, he gets paid for by his dad's boat dealership. The biggest reggaehead you will ever meet, I've doubled my music library with only reggae artists through him. I have a friend who led a revolution against the school and completely changed the administration. There will be chill peeps wherever you go, but at expensive schools like that they tend to be in the minority.
Jun 22 2009 12:02PM
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ski@jaypeak2
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Then maybe i missed your point..pal.

Are you saying he is a hypocrite because he has conflicting views of society and the world he is currently living in?  And why are you blasting this "extravigant expense" then saying the people you know at private school nice and cool?  chief.

Jun 22 2009 12:04PM
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skiminnesota
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i was blasting his extravaganza because earlier he condemned extravagance.

i personally have no problem if you live an extravagant life. god knows i live one.

read the whole thread much? Sitting Bull :P
Jun 22 2009 12:11PM
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skiminnesota
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and i would have held fast to that assumption if you had made a choice to go there.

good luck with your family problems.
Jun 22 2009 12:13PM
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well i WAS going to come back and make an intelligent and informative comment to this thread, as I have seen capitalism at its finest in a COMMUNIST country in Shanghai, and I WAS going to speak more on the topic of how North Korea could potentially be waiting for a reason to go down swinging (read: they are running out of options other than war if they want to continue to exist, but South Korea and the USA will smash them into the ground, North Korea really doesn't have shit, its old red paint over rust there. I have seen it with my own eyes, don't try to discount a first hand account. They have propaganda villages on the DMZ border that are nothing more than hollow shells of buildings.

But this thread has been clusterfucked and trolled by people bitching about how globalization and capitalism is ruining the souls of people world wide.

To you, I say, FUCK THAT SHIT. The advancement of society, global communication, and the BLENDING of local culture into highly advanced technolagies and business has REVOLUTIONIZED the way human beings live on this planet. China did in 30 years what took us 90, and they did it with our help. over 100 million people in China and Korea now live better lives because of neo-liberal economic policies. And not only that, their culture has not diminished, it has thrived. the cultures of the world can now be expressed to MILLIONS of people over the internet and supported by people worldwide through foriegn investment and gloabl understanding.

So to all you ignorant and misinformed individuals who think globalization, capitalism, and competition is ruining the souls of the human race, study abroad a little bit, then get back to me.

 so If you are a high school whining bitch who thinks its sweet and trendy to hate on the establishment and the current world trends, do your homework first and learn what gloabization is really doing for the world before you do. Firsthand. Travel. learn.

Jun 22 2009 12:16PM
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Ben.
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capitalism itself isnt ruining the souls of the human race. however total free reign capitalism where big buisness rules everything pretty much assrapes the little guy.
Jun 22 2009 12:42PM
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SirFryanator
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Globalization isn't ruining the world. Capitalism isn't ruining it. In fact, I don't think anyone was complaining about either of those two issues.

I have traveled worldwide and I have seen the effects of capitalism, and the happiest people in the world are those that live in a completely free market: the tribes in Africa. It's the economic growth of the world that will destroy it, not that fact that 'the man' is taking over. I agree, fuck that shit. However, I ask again: what makes a life better than another life? To me, a happier life is a better life for me. I'd rather be happy than rich. I'd rather give back and feel good than take and satisfy my consumerist wants.

If you know economics so well, you will understand this macroeconomic concept: aggregate supply. The more money the average person has, the higher up inflation goes. Once we reach the classical stage of the economic life cycle, we are bound to come back down to a recession eventually. High demand for a limited amount of products = inflation. The point of capitalism, according to you and skiminnesota, is to give the opportunity to work upwards in the hierarchy of society. However, when more people achieve this, more people are going to fail and lose money. Banks let people loan more when the economy is doing well. Spending money increases the GDP, spending money helps the poor, spending money gives us more utilities, public works, blah blah blah. We're in a recession right now because of consumerism and capitalism at its finest: the banks wish to loan and get as much profit as possible off the average working-class citizen, when they know that the loaned may not be able to pay. When the checks come late, they raise the interest rates to an incredibly high level. Yeah, they get profit. Yes, they are very competitive. Yes, they fucked millions of people over.

It's the basic idea of the expanding schism between the poor and the rich, and the burgeoning middle class that fills it up now. ESPECIALLY in china, where the middle class alone is bigger than the entirety of the USA. By the way, you realize that China has complete power over the USA? Their reserves in currency equal the USA's GDP (I believe, I need to double check that), and they could completely fuck us over by causing the USD's value to drop to virtually nothing. There goes the entire economic power of the western world. It will happen one day. This is due to globalization, outsourcing, and focusing on international trade rather than domestic production.

So, am I a whiny high school bitch hating the establishment? I don't know, I don't really think the government is all that great. It's necessary to manage a huge population, but the major governments seem to focus on the issues that don't matter as much. Maybe they should stop worrying about who is more popular and who has the most people on their dick and worry about the people inside the nation, since that's their main priority.

In any case, I'm going to go study for my economics 12 exam. I hope my rant makes sense.
Jun 22 2009 1:07PM
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bailer
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Your in Econ and you think this paragraph makes sense? How does economic damaging the world? im confused.

More money for each person does not necesasry lead to inflation. If the economy is growing, things are worth more naturaly and that is not inflation. Classical economics looks at models in the long run and yes we go through business cycles which are caused by too much demand which does cause inflated prices however this is only temporary. The point of capitalism is to provide people a free market in which they have choices to make in which they are not foreced into. The beauty of this system is that everyone is making free choices which in turn benefit themselves and all involved in the line of free choices made to create a product. Agreed that free markets do need regualtion though.
Jun 22 2009 2:29PM
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SirFryanator
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OK, I must have misspoken. I'm talking about the classical stage of the aggregate supply curve, where inflation is high, employment is full, and interest rates are low. More money chasing fewer goods = demand pull inflation. See what I'm saying?

If you disagree with me and I'm wrong, please do tell me why ASAP because I have my econ final at 1:00 haha
Jun 22 2009 2:34PM
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MatRich
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he is trying to send missiles to hawai and shit like that to provoke the usa so that he can tell his brainwashed citizens that we attacked first and launched a war based on no actual threat. nothing gets brainwashed soldiers more pumped than good ol propoganda!
Jun 22 2009 2:46PM
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bailer
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ohhhh yea i see what you are saying now and yes that is correct. i think i read it too fast or somthing.
Jun 22 2009 2:47PM
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