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Passenger Jet Vanishes Over Pacific Ocean

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the.hellion.
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This morning I awoke to the radio saying that a passenger jet flying from Brazil to France vanished without a trace. I found the article later and just wanted to share. They think it was hit by lightening and that it will probably be incredibly difficult to figure out what really happened or find any remains.
Very sad, my thoughts are with every friend and family member of the 228 people that just disappeared.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/8076848.stm
Jun 1 2009 11:12AM
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The_Tim
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yeahhh but these planes dont fall that easily... if it did it would be the biggest sequence of failures and lucky events to ever occur. just doesnt seem feasible.
Jun 2 2009 12:31AM
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B-Wald
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i'm surprised that both this thread and cnn didn't have any mention of possible terrorism. am i missing some reason that this isn't a possibility?
Jun 2 2009 1:46AM
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fujarome
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mostly that it's too soon to draw any conclusions other than what little info we know.

and probably not a terrorist attack because if terror groups love 1 thing, it's bragging about what they've done. Bringing a plane down would be big for them and someone would have claimed responsibility by now. And maybe also so that people don't get scared and there isn't the huge paranoia and fear that would follow.
Jun 2 2009 1:52AM
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B-Wald
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true. i guess i'm just surprised that the news channels had the sense to not stoop that low yet.
Jun 2 2009 2:01AM
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fujarome
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probably only because it was a flight from brazil to France with only a few americans on board if i remember right.

If it was flying new york to paris or something, then i bet you'd be hearing nothing about the weather, the electronics failure or any of that. And Nancy Grace would probably be blaming it on obama liking the french or some shit.

though i wouldn't rule it out. something either shut down the electronics or brought that plane down very abruptly. Not even a mayday call came out of it. It's scary when you think about it. 228 people missing at sea in a huge aircraft for more than a day. Though i've read that another airliner may have spotted some debris, way away from where they thought it was. Very mysterious..

or if you want some less thought up/logica ideasl/a funny read...go here

http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread468622/pg1
Jun 2 2009 2:08AM
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NESblowjob
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yeah but they said theres like giant tropical thunderstorms around the equator
Jun 2 2009 2:50AM
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Che~
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if im not mistaken, its was early in the morning, I think i heard on the news that they found some wreckage. I really hope they did!  +++++vibes
Jun 2 2009 7:55AM
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Wilcox_
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so true. when does the next season start again?
Jun 2 2009 8:05AM
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breezepig
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aliens pulled it out of thin air and the government is slowly throwing scrap metal into the ocean to explain for it
Jun 2 2009 9:42AM
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neutralzombie
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bermuda triangle!! hahaha
Jun 2 2009 9:51AM
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...WIBBS...
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The news are saying that it went down due to electrical problems after getting struck by lightning and it went down with no mayday! If they had electrical problems they would of called mayday! I presume that a fighter jet / missile shot it down. i hope i'm wrong! and if there are fatalities...... MAY THEY REST IN PEACE! :(
Jun 2 2009 11:30AM
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...WIBBS...
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No need to swear prick face! It's funny how it vanished without a MAYDAY?!?!?!?!?
Jun 2 2009 11:41AM
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JsNeagle
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aliens have underwater bases deep in our oceans where we haven't been able to get to yet. i saw it on tv, so it must be true. i think it's pretty obvious the underwater dwelling aliens are running experiments on our species.
Jun 2 2009 11:54AM
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cottonwoodarmada1651
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Airliners have weather radar.  And TCAS.




Jun 2 2009 11:58AM
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SKIDUBAIGUY
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That is NOT a possibility, the culprit would have spoken out and admitted it.

Talking to my dad, who is a captain for emireates on the a330, a340 and a380, and also trains new crews on flying the A 330, he put across the theorys on what has happened and also the course of action being take at the time

Theory 1- Fire . As has happened beofre, if a fire happens to start in the cockpit or anywhere else in the aircraft, probably due to the electronical failiure previously stated, many things could happen. Such as the pilots being un able to fly the aircraft due to the fire, the fire bruning through electrical cables (The a 330 has all cabules for control input in the underbody of the aircraft, and although their is one main line and a backupline, if the fire was to burn through both all control would be lost) Now although this is a theory worth considering, if the fire was to burn through the two control cables the aircraft would keep flying untill it ran out of fuel, and by that time it would be somewhere over africa, not the atlantic.

Theory 2- Storm. Not very likely, air france pilot are trained to a very high standard, if they saw a big storm they should fly around it. Lightening is DEFINATLY not the cause, ligtening hits planes, and exits straight away. The only thing that could of made the aircraft break in a storm up is hail or extremely severe turbelance, very large hail, we are talking soccer ball sized hail here though which is entirely possible at that altitude.

Theory 3- Breakup. This is the most possible theory in my dads eyes. Something similar to the turkish airlines Flight 981 crash in march 1974 is entirly possible (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Turkish_Airlines_Flight_981). What broke off we dont know at this point, it could be the cargo bay door like the Flight 981 disaster. Also, for some reason the Airbusses control cable layout is the same as the Dc 10's (The aircraft in the Flight 981 disaster), Coincidence? If so, airbus needs a re think.

Theory 4- Crash landing. It could still be out their, floating on the sea, whos to say for some reason all electronics failed, for some reason they couldnt transmit a Mayday or put out an EPIRB, they could be out their, waiting for rescue now.

Now we come to whats being done, its entirely possible the aircraft is not lost, yet if it is the first thing we need to find at the blackbox, only thing is, blackboxes dont float, were going to need a submarine to get it. The search is underway, once the blackbox is found all will be revealed.
Jun 2 2009 12:16PM
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fujarome
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well they are finding some debris now, so it looks like the odds of there being survivors is quite low. Oil slicks were spotted, and they recovered a seat. Though none of it is confirmed to be from that plane yet. Apparently they found it some not far from where the last automatic message was sent. And the rest was found more than 60km away. It had to have broken up somehow midair.
Jun 2 2009 12:22PM
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followCam
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Definately quite a disconcerning story.
Stupid question maybe....but...planes dont float for a long period of time do they? massive heavy metal would sink rather fast?
Would be terrible crashing over water, at night aswell i heard so the pilots couldnt see the waves to make it a safer landing.
Jun 2 2009 12:25PM
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SKIDUBAIGUY
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Planes float for around 3-5 hours.
Jun 2 2009 12:34PM
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SKIDUBAIGUY
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The media says- "In this area, they saw an orange buoy, an airplane seat, small white pieces, an airplane turbine as well as oil and kerosene.

The brazilian airforce (Who found the debris) say- They are not identifying the objects as belonging to AF447 and It wasn't a turbine that was seen floating, but rather a drum-like object....
Jun 2 2009 12:40PM
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Steezius_Maximus
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i dont think it was a terrorist attack they think it was the equipment on board that failed radio , radar doesnt it have a GPS tho
Jun 2 2009 12:41PM
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fujarome
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shit didn't see that one. I read they are waiting to get them back to a base somewhere and search for serial numbers on whatever they found.
Jun 2 2009 12:43PM
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eastcoastsoloMAN
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modern day titanic anyone, the day it went missing was the same day the last survivor of the titanic died,

Titanic= unsinkable
French airline= "Uncrashible"
both could relate to the failure of radar (or in the titanic's lookouts)

weird right?
Jun 2 2009 6:31PM
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Snowcase
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I would have to attribute weather as the leading cause in both incidences...
Jun 2 2009 6:36PM
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eastcoastsoloMAN
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yeah lightning strike possibly and a iceberg hit, both cause great damage
Jun 2 2009 6:51PM
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fujarome
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haha, i love that a plane crash also indicates that all cars/trucks etc are also unsafe.

but anyways...they've found more stuff now, so i'm sure over the next few days/weeks we'll start to get a better idea of what happened. Plus a french ship with 2 mini subs is now on the way to search the bottom.
Jun 2 2009 8:32PM
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Ryno
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Yeah because wooden ships have such a reliable track record in shitty weather :P
Jun 2 2009 10:51PM
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inthewoods
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meeeehh....haha

and lamerthanfdr, planes are actually one of the safest means of transportation statistically, after teleporting...not really. And most failures happen when landing.

+ vibes to the people..I hope they find any survivors.
Jun 2 2009 11:15PM
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[-mvee-]
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my mom told me this today:

''did you know me and your dad were on that exact flight and plane that disappeared ?''

lol. not kidding eieher, they were flying to get to a cruise ship...which was last week in Manaco.

Jun 2 2009 11:35PM
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selkirks
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They've confirmed that it was AF447 now.

Fire is probably the most likely culprit. But Airbus jets -- as well as others (jets in general) -- hold up well to lightning strikes, so it doesn't completely fit. They were saying tonight that they really have thirty days to locate the blackboxes -- they'll stop transmitting a signal in thirty days. That's really the only way we'll know for sure what happened, and it's going to be difficult for them to find them.
Jun 2 2009 11:44PM
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Bob_Gnarley
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actually, it would. A330s are flown by a massive CPU system, if a massive power failure occurs ie. Lightening strike, it could take the whole plane down because the pilot has no manual control.
Jun 2 2009 11:50PM
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Kevski
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So I might seem uneducated or noobish or whatever, but what exactly are these black boxes and how would they be expected to survive?
Jun 2 2009 11:59PM
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@skiinmitch
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Only one way to explain. Aliens. THey took the plane to space took out the passangers. threw the plane back to earth. Now next time u will se the passengers will be either in the show LOST or the NExt Star TRek movie
Jun 3 2009 12:07AM
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the.hellion.
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I'm voting for the theory that the plane broke apart suddenly mid-air. Possibly due to fire, but definitely due to a perfect storm of unlucky events. However, I'm no airplane technician.

Not gonna lie, aliens would be a much more awesome answer, but I don't think this story has such a happy ending.

And to Kevski, the black box is all of the data that the flight recorded until the box seperates itself from the aircraft. It has every last message sent electronically and from what I understand also records any conversations going on in the cockpit.
Thanks Wiki:
In aviation, the term "black box" refers to the flight data recorder and cockpit voice recorder responsible for recording all communications in the cockpit of an aircraft in flight. The phrase has become popularized by modern media while reporting aircraft crashes.
Jun 3 2009 12:12AM
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Balto
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this
Jun 3 2009 12:14AM
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SteezyOhio
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fact: the black box........is actually orange!!!!! that is all.

Click for larger image


Jun 3 2009 12:15AM
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Kevski
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Thanks. I guess it's important.

But I wonder how would it survive if the plane explodes or crashes at an extreme speed?
Jun 3 2009 12:22AM
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fujarome
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they don't always survive in perfect shape, but it's just the way they are built. They really only have 2 purposes. To record data, and survive anything.
Jun 3 2009 1:31AM
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SKIDUBAIGUY
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Air france planes crash, Air france, concorde, not jog your memory?

And the blackbox can withstand 300Gs, so nothing will of happened to it exept it sank, why they dont put floation devices on blackboxes i dont know.
Jun 3 2009 6:12AM
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Alex=God
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sorry conner but your wrong.  This aircraft had the 3 comp. main system and a 3. comp back up as the older model 330's had a 3 comp.  main  a 2 comp back up and an actual physical connection. There are also many guards to prevent short circuits in one wire and many back-ups to the wire if it fails. The only reason an a330 would lose total lose of control would be fire burning threw all of the cables/wires connecting the cockpit to the computer. But that still would not bring down the aircraft as it would remain at level flight until it ran out of fuel somewhere over africa. Another problem with the lightning strike theory is that this newer a330's are made with a composite material i.e.: plastics. Even if by some chance lightning struck the aircraft it would pass threw it since it is not grounded. No matter how much metal is in it.
Jun 3 2009 6:57AM
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Alex=God
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You are probably correct. The most logical answer to this would be a break apart. Maybe a stress fracture somewhere in the wings or perhaps on the cabin, hell maybe even one of the ground crew forgot to lock one of the cargo doors right. Probably the turbulence started shaking the place and put it under more stress.
Jun 3 2009 7:04AM
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kzrstf
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i have a weird feeling that candlejack is invol-
Jun 3 2009 8:28AM
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brandon_
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appernetly ( sp?) they found debris from the jet...

Jun 3 2009 8:35AM
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Ryno
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Private property dude. make it sink in water and hard to get so some random doesn't come and steal it :P
Jun 4 2009 9:27AM
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SKIDUBAIGUY
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Then why it doesnt self combust when it hits solid ground i dont know!
Jun 4 2009 9:55AM
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ONTerriible
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so apparently air france recieved a bomb threat to a flight from south america to paris 4 days before the plane disappeared they searched a different plane in argentina but i think terrorism just became alot more plausible as a cause.

http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/top-stories/2009/06/04/bomb-threat-4-days-before-jet-crashed-115875-21413591/

Jun 4 2009 10:06AM
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Alex=God
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well see the thing with that is nowadays most airlines recieve multiple bomb threats a day. Some are invesitgated, some aren't. Its plausible but not incredibly likely.
Jun 4 2009 11:08AM
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dylansiggers
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lawl
Jun 4 2009 11:14AM
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The_Tim
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you really that dumb?
Jun 4 2009 11:25AM
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breezepig
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there were reports of a bomb threat being called in before the plane had taken off

Jun 4 2009 11:59AM
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