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Kung-Fujas vs. J.J- Not a stupid, no detail, question.

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T.C.M
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Wanting to ride a 189 or 185 respectively.
Im 6" 160lb ride fast and hard.
Skiing New Zealand conditions so (unfortunately) no super fluffy pow, mainly crud or minimal (>15-cm) fresh.
I have some J.O pro's for full on park days but want something thats going to handle taking tricks to the back-country.
I will be competing in the free-ride comps so need something that can actually handle proper skiing (no hate on park). Still want to be able to jib down trails and have fun.

I know these skis aren't officially on the market in the u.s yet but any ideas from demo's would be fantastic.
Initially i was set on J.J's but thinking they may be to soft snow specific for tech steep stuff in harder conditions.
Any other options would be appreciated but needs to be kind of mainstream as moment etc don't ship stuff over here...

Cheers!
May 4 2009 4:26AM
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Triple_Strum
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If you are looking for the inbetween, all mountain wider ski, the JJ is not that.  It really is powder specific.  Sure it makes turns on hardpack, but a 2x4 would too if you cut it right.  I would look at something that isn't super rockered or reverse camber if you aren't getting too much powder.  The Kung Fujas/S5 Barras/Volkl Bridge are all good skis in that range.  I am having trouble finding a ski that is a better all around ski than the Prophet 100.  Rips absolutely everywhere.  The only downside is that I don't like it's flex in the park that much, but it sounds like you don't need it for park at all.  Good luck
May 4 2009 7:30AM
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T.C.M
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I have last years Bridges and hated them!
Thinking the K.F might be the one, maybe even last years?
May 4 2009 9:59AM
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Twig
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If you really are going to be completing in freeride comps then you're gonna be hucking and so you want a stiff-ish ski, especially in the tail to give you support on those landings. If its not in to deep-ish pow then you'll get a lot of wheelie effect on a tail rockered ski like the JJ. Fujas might be better, but I have never ridden them. They aren't that wide though and really seem designed as a more park/all mountain ski, than for big mountain riding. Obsetheds have tail rocker but are also fairly stiff, and the rocker is much less than the JJ. Salomon Shogun/Czar or 4frnt EHP might also be sick skis to ride in those big mountain comps.
May 4 2009 11:20AM
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Twig
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Continuing this post, jibbing down trails and skiing freeride comps is going to be a hard balance to manage, I also still think Obsetheds are your best bet at the balance.
May 4 2009 11:22AM
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the-big-lepowski
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What didn't you like about them?  Not playful enough?  For freeride comps and minimal park, look at soem of the medium-stiff, 100 mm waist skis.  There are some great ones out there, like the 4frnt VCT, the movement baggy, and a great one might be obsethed.  Also, as mentionned above, the Line P100s are super versatile.
May 4 2009 11:22AM
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ilikeplants
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Either VCTs if you don't want rocker and just a regular camber ski or Obsethed if you want a rockered ski. Both would be able to do everything that you have described.

May 4 2009 3:57PM
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T.C.M
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For one i was only able to get them in a 175, after 4-5 hours on them i had taken out 6inches of edge on a small base shot, i then lost another 6inches 2 days later side sliding, the whole sidewall seemed more like butter then ski. They had no tortional strength which gave me no confidence in the super steep, they were terible at hooking into turns in softer snow and about a foot of the ski between the bindings and the tip was like cardboard, flappy and with no pop. Not ideal for anything!

I think it's going to be K.F or Obsethed, my only concern is that the Ob is too directional, i do love my switch pow...

+K for all!!
May 5 2009 3:05AM
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Twig
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Fujas have 5/30 Rocker so longer and lower. This reminds me of the Rocker on my Moment reno rockers which didnt help that much in pow (not significantly better than my reno jibs).
Obsethed have 10/20 rocker which is steeper and shorter.
I would think with the added 10mm under foot and shorter steeper rocker the obsethed will be better in pow both switch and regular as well as stiffer and more stable on landings. But i haven't skied the Fujas so this is speculation. I would go for the Obsethed and mount a bit forward to boost the switch pow performance if that is really important to you. There are lots of people on here that ski them at core center and love them.
May 5 2009 9:03AM
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AJizzle
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Ur fucking retarted and obivously have never skied the JJ, I've rocked em' on the hardest of hardpack days and had a great time.  Super stable, U cannot go wrong with the JJ!!!!!!!!
May 5 2009 9:18PM
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the-big-lepowski
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Hey, devil's advocate here, how are you NSer's doing?  So hypothetically, I'm 6'4", 200lbs and charge HARD.  Are you going to suggest a 185 JJ that is known to ski quite short?  Point being, there is no be-all, end-all ski for every condition or skier. 

And I'm not fucking "retarted".

May 5 2009 10:17PM
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T.C.M
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I was enjoying the friendliness of this thread,
from what I'm getting although the J.J is terrific it is geared a lot more towards softer and deeper snow conditions with the ability to perform on hard-pack. Where as the Ob seems like it will be a more "all-mountain ski" that handles the softer stuff when it comes.

Sound about right?
May 5 2009 10:18PM
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JordanClarke
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JJ's .. are BOMMMMMBBBB
May 5 2009 10:58PM
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AJizzle
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I weigh 205, and thought the JJ was the most confidence inspiring, stable and carvable 100+ ski on the market, skied almost all in that category (have vct's and Czars also).  put my hard skiing, traditional, directional loving pops on em' and he was soooo stoked how they skied everywhere.

I've never talked to a person who owned them, or even ridden on them that didn't think that they were one of the dopest skis ever made.

May 6 2009 1:19AM
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A-Style**
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Just to throw out another option. The new Line Motherships are supposed to be stiff and kill in the hardpack crud. If I had to compete in big mountain comps, they would be one of my choices. I don't ride them, just know that Line makes a good ski so maybe look into them, if you're interested in more.
May 6 2009 1:33AM
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mak09
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The jj's are sick! but you could also look at the ARV too but they might be a little to flexy for what you are doing. good luck

May 6 2009 1:36AM
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ryanwar6
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As a current '09 JJ owner who has ridden most big company skis on the market (not too much experience with smaller "core" companies) I can legitimately say that the JJ is my favorite ski hands down.

I am 6'1" and 170lbs and I ride the 185 mounted at -2 from true center. They are definitely not only a "pure powder ski," they excel at anything you can throw at them. If you like charging lines, blasting through crud, tight turns in trees, etc. they are amazing. If you want something that is soft and playful that gets thrown around, these are not them.

As for the other skis that people have mentioned... You will not find a more stable ski with similar characteristics. The kung fujas, the obsethed, the czar, they are all blown away by the stability of the jj. Also, concerning turning and performance on groomed the same thing applies. After riding dozens of skis that are all considered "similar" to the JJ, I have yet to find one that truly compares.

The only other skis that I might recommend to you would be either the Rossignol S6 (the steeze, or the raven) or the Rossi S7. The s7 is nearly identical to the JJ, maybe just a bit heavier and more directional. The S6 is a phenomenal ski. As far as non-rockered skis, this ski is by far my favorite.

Good luck, and if you have any questions feel free to ask.

Cheers,
Ryan
May 6 2009 3:01PM
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