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Compare FDR and Obama?

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babujib
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Their comparisons are frightening, and with what is considered the new "New Deal" what does NS see in the both presidents?
Apr 16 2009 9:01PM
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COLONELSanders
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I think that both have had it and will have it hard but Obama BE BLACK so he's pretty much the good one
FIRST!!
Apr 16 2009 9:03PM
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yellav
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theyre both dealing with recession in a bad way?
Apr 16 2009 9:07PM
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TheBeardedOne
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Apr 16 2009 9:08PM
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TheButterHashira
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I guess both are inheriting poor economies and handling them in similar ways. Maybe obama is going to need a world war to get us out of our recession like fdr needed. I hope not.
Apr 16 2009 9:10PM
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jambone
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Recently there has been criticism of FDR's handling of the depression.  Apparently he made it last many years longer and if it wasn't for the rapid militarization leading up to WW2 it would have been even longer.  I'm not making any conclusions but just throwing it out there...
Apr 16 2009 9:17PM
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yellav
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the new deal made the depression worse
Apr 16 2009 9:20PM
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skiminnesota
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lets hope to god it never that bad...

lets see,

 radically changing the way government operates.

basically prison camps for US citizens.

attempting to stack the bench on the supreme court.

god knows how many years as president.

social security. (shivers)
Apr 16 2009 9:48PM
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Ben.
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no, it did not. please stop believing conservative economists that twist data to support their side.
Apr 16 2009 9:50PM
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BigJew
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They're both stinkin' communists digging America into a hole. Unfortunately for Obama, it doesn't look like there's a war coming to pull them out of it.
Apr 16 2009 10:56PM
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mr.rise
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didnt FDR do good ? and, didnt he have the longest president term in the history. or am i just not paying attention in American History ?
Apr 16 2009 11:00PM
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Ben.
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he did. people are just buying into conservative economists reinterpreting history to fit their agendas.
Apr 16 2009 11:39PM
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baethoven
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im with you on this one. FDR helped the US out of THE worst economic status our country has ever been in. there's a reason he was the signal of hope for americans at the time, and why he was elected to be president 4 times.
Apr 17 2009 12:25AM
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Delphi
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You believe everything the intellectual morons from the far left  have to say about every issue, but when a group of brilliant UCLA economists come out with incredibly sound and dedicated research you call bullshit on it for "pushing the conservative agenda." Where the fuck where you with An Inconvenient Truth?

I have read their report and talked about it with knowledgeable history and economics professors and have found the reception to be split. To call it conservative bullshit is a weak attempt at discrediting a really sound work. I for one side with these two. To question the New Deal has been a taboo subject for a long, long time. People are so convinced that it was the necessary and correct way to fight the depression that they accept nothing else. Read the report and form your own opinion instead of regurgitating leftist vitriol.
Apr 17 2009 12:42AM
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Bob_Gnarley
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like the left doesn't spin stuff. How can you "disguise" that he is spending a couple of trillion dollars very loosely, that who knows how many generations will be paying for?
Apr 17 2009 12:44AM
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Ben.
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im a fucking history minor (probably soon to be major) for christ sake. ive looked into it, and i honestly think its a load of crap.

and what the fuck were you talking about An Inconvenient Truth?
Apr 17 2009 12:45AM
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Delphi
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History minor, sick, you must have looked deep into it. And with the al gore reference, people did not say shit about that pushing the liberal agenda when it clearly was, not to mention the dubious research involved and the incredibly skewed presentation of the issue.

The point is, people like you follow the left wing agenda like scripture and denounce anything that comes from the other side, no matter how strong that opinion is. Like I said, to dismiss these two as attack dogs for the conservative agenda is just ignorant.
Apr 17 2009 12:49AM
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Ben.
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Yes al gore was pushing an agenda, whats your point, would you like me to denounce every person who has ever pushed an agenda right here, right now?


As for your sarcastic ass remarks about my minor, sweet dude, keep making assumptions about my life. Ive looked into it, ive read what they have to say, i dont believe it, and think its a load of crap.
Apr 17 2009 12:52AM
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Delphi
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what don't you believe about it?
Apr 17 2009 12:53AM
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cmeriptahoe
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Doesn't really matter if FDR made the Depression worse or not. The fact of the matter is that WWII saved his reputation and certainly saved the entire country from losing another 5 ish years. As was said earlier, without the extensive war spending to bolster the economy who knows how long the Depression would have lasted.
Apr 17 2009 12:59AM
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dman1260
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are you serious? you are little pre-mature in comparing Obama to FDR. FDR rescued the country from a depression. Obama has only instituted a policy that may or may not be successful. Yes, the economy appears to be recovering, but we are far from making our way out of this.

Beyond that, FDR led us through World War 2, which could be possibly be the most difficult and defining part of the 20th century. Comparing the two at this point is absurd. I like Obama and think he has done a good job so far, but to even compare the two, especially when Obama has been in office for barely 3 full months, is outright rediculous. Let's wait 8 years to draw comparisons to one of the greatest U.S Presidents.
Apr 17 2009 1:03AM
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Ben.
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the economy had already stabilized in 1939...
Apr 17 2009 1:04AM
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Ben.
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the whole thing. i just think trying to say that the New Deal didnt help, when looking at the fact that the one year he tried to balance the budget and not spend so much the economy tumbled again is ignoring blatant evidence. by 1939 the economy had pretty much stabilized. did the war accelerate our full recovery? sure, but it would have done that anyways, just not quite as quickly, however we were already for the most part out of the hole
Apr 17 2009 1:07AM
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MitchPee
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You are right. Spending needs to happen in time of a recession. That is what turns the mighty cycle of business. Lending and spending during economic hardships. The New Deal helped, no doubt. Anytime infrastructure is provided in an economy, it helps. Now whether overall the policy was for the better is up for debate.

Military spending is not what got us out of WWII. Sure it helped, provided factories, an efficient system of production, etc. What really mattered was that we were one of the only countries not decimated by WWII. There was an OPEN global market. This open global market was what allowed us to step outside our isolated world and produce for the world, until recent times when we have started to import more than exporting causing a trade deficit, and mixed with public debt is not good at all. I have put a lot of effort into a lengthy paper about the topic and would be glad to share it with anyone interested.
Apr 17 2009 3:38AM
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PacificRimJob
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How are you guys going to compare a former president who served 13 years, and over 70 years ago to a guy whos been in there just about 13 weeks, in a much more modernized world... It's silly.

and what is with this recent, everyone hating on FDR? as if hes the culprit behind the depression (that honor actually goes to the previous 3 republican presidents for allowing the construction of an unstable, "lassaiz faire" economy).

Theres this whole discussion going on as if new deal spending prolongued the depression or something... and the subsequently insane spending during WW2 was this glorious thing that saved us...

WW2 was the largest spending spree the USA ever went on... and it was primarily to build weapons to kill Germans, Japanese, and Italian forces in order to stop their imperial interests.You guys are really telling me that the USA couldnt have just used that same tactic a bit more constructively, rather than destructively, and spent the same amount of money, resources and manpower on building infrastructure, housing, services, and perhaps just bulding a huge fuckin 10 foot thick barricade wall around the country, 20 miles out in the ocean to keep the Germans and the "Japs" out?

Apr 17 2009 7:40AM
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*LiNeLover*
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damn, you pretty much nailed what i was going to say! hell yes
Apr 17 2009 1:45PM
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-PowAir-
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FDR was the fuckin man, no one can hold a candle to the man. stop trying.
Apr 17 2009 3:22PM
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ATLskier
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http://newsroom.ucla.edu/portal/ucla/FDR-s-Policies-Prolonged-Depression-5409.aspx?RelNum=5409


Not twisting data. Pretty sure UCLA isn't a conservative school. Accept it that taxing the rich destroys incentive to invest and have the economy proliferate. All Obama had to do was lower taxes for everybody, especially the high earners and put suspend capital gains taxes for a while to encourage trading and investment.



The new deal did a few good things, but for the most part prolonged the depression. Stop hailing FDR as the mighty, great president that saved us. And dont bring up bullshit on laissez fair economics with Hoover, cause that guy def. did a lot to get the government involved and FDR just carried over what Hoover started. (Smoot Hawley Tariff Act)...big mistake there by Hoover.
Apr 17 2009 4:06PM
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Ben.
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saying that is making HUGE assumptions. HUGE. about what "could have happened." was the new deal perfect? no. did it prolong the depression because it wasnt perfect? hell no.
Apr 17 2009 4:09PM
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ATLskier
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Oh SHIT History minor here guys. I guess those economist professors with PhDs should step aside and let Ben. take over. He's a history minor and has looked into it.
Apr 17 2009 4:13PM
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ATLskier
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Theres no evidence the economy is recovering. There was no evidence behind obamas speech the other day. Obama made those speeches to take focus off the tea parties. He has also been making speeches at the exact time Rush Limbaugh's show starts. (doesn't matter whether you like rush or not. that doesn't matter. its about the timing. believe me the whitehouse does not like rush.
Apr 17 2009 4:17PM
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Shpadoinkle
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Apr 17 2009 4:21PM
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Mr.Panda
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im a conservative, i listen to Hannity, Bill O'Reily, Mark Levin, and even I think that Rush Limbaugh is a bit off the wall and crazy....
Apr 17 2009 4:27PM
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Shpadoinkle
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Yeah, sometimes I can't listen to him because he's the voice of doom. Glenn is my fave.
Apr 17 2009 4:32PM
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Mr.Panda
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Glenn Beck also annoys me.  At least on TV and sometimes the radio.  He is always yelling.
Apr 17 2009 4:34PM
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Ben.
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or fake crying
Apr 17 2009 5:46PM
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Ben.
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shut the fuck up. by your logic you should know even less than me arent you an architecture major?
Apr 17 2009 5:47PM
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babujib
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Well, I'm writing a history paper comparing Obama to the leaders during the depression and how he's learned from the past and whatnot. Basically, I'm comparing him to Mussolini, Hitler, and FDR in different aspects. I'm just looking for any ideas I've missed. I also think it's kind of ridiculous, but by the same token, some of their actions are extremely similar.
Apr 17 2009 5:57PM
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PacificRimJob
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He's a great comedian when he's trying to act like he's crying though... his whole 9/12 thing? that was a hilarious joke... gotta hand it to him.
Apr 17 2009 6:27PM
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ElbridgeGerry
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You make a good point. He has dismissed anything they have to say because it simply does not agree with his fucked opinion.
Apr 17 2009 6:41PM
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Ben.
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ive explained why i disagree....


and fucked opinion? sounds like your being just as dismissive...


also im sorry about the minor comment. after reading it again it did come off as if i was trying to say i know all on the subject, thats not what i meant. sometimes what you think doesnt sound the same when you type it out hahaha
Apr 17 2009 6:49PM
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ElbridgeGerry
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Alright that's fine. I just felt as though you were being a bit of a dick and not really listening. I take back my dismissiveness.


Apr 17 2009 7:18PM
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skiminnesota
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personally i cant stand hannity. he is a screamer, and Obama is ALWAYS wrong. and he bitches to much IMO

that being said i enjoy rush more than hannity... but my all time favorite is Jason Lewis... he was a local guy here in the twin cities and now has gone national, and he is supposedly the fastest growing talk radio guy... (he fills in for rush allot)

Beck is a fatalist, and acts like he is some economic god, which he is NOT.
Apr 17 2009 8:05PM
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Delphi
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Glenn Beck and O'reilly are hilarious together. And yeah, Smoot-Hawley was a big mistake by Hoover.
Apr 17 2009 8:11PM
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skiminnesota
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assuming you are in college, DONT.....

i wrote a free market capitalist paper, and in 7 pages my English professor marked 7 puncuation errors. only to give me a C.

you will fail.
Apr 17 2009 9:25PM
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Ben.
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depends on the professor, if he has a conservative one, or an open minded one, hes good to go. its just if he has a douche like you have that hes fucked :P
Apr 17 2009 9:38PM
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ATLskier
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the way you said it was making it sound like your more qualified than everyone else just because you took 3-5 extra classes in history (which dont have to be related to the great depression). its not a big difference. major in history...possibly (you can only learn so much in 4 years. in my opinion, I dont know much about architecture and I study it all the time outside school. There is just too much to learn). econ major, then you are at a major advantage. chill out.


the other post. No assumptions
I didnt say anything about what could have been. just about what happened. I would go into this shit more, but I will not sleep until wednesday night to get this arch project done, and Im still not sure if i will finnish
Apr 17 2009 9:44PM
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skiminnesota
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i cant fucking wait until i am done with all my generals and shit...

Econ is so damn interesting to me. (ive taken both macro and micro, and its not enough, there is sooooooooo (x100) much to learn.

i am torn between Econ and finance for a major.. luckily according to my econ professor both majors share a ton of similarities  until your fourth year, then the econ guys go one way and the finance guys go another way.. so i have time to decide.
Apr 17 2009 10:05PM
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ATLskier
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double it up
Apr 18 2009 4:15AM
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