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twintip vs straighttail

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ByeBye363
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um i know it might be stupid, but how much does having a raised up tail slow you down, compared to reg skis? is it a lot or a little?
Jan 15 2004 9:24PM
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ECkevin
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Not sure, i see kids racing on 1080s. I wouldn't think it would slow you down too much scince most of the pressure is under the boot. Almost all skis out now have some what of a turned up tail.
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Jan 15 2004 9:51PM
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Au_Champs_Elysees
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Im pretty sure it's because with the tip up it makes the ski shorter.. Compared to a normal ski. And seen as you goo faster due to the weight being spread over a greater surface area. BUt I don't think it should interfere that much
Jan 15 2004 9:54PM
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ByeBye363
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uve seen kids racing on 1080s thats somethin haha. like actually chasing gates and stuff? thats cool.
Jan 15 2004 10:03PM
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ECfreeski3
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what i don't understand...
if the thing slowing them down is the lack of edge because it's turned up, why don't they just add a little length and it would be the same, and addin more length also to the raised tail wou;dn't affect the ride...



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Jan 15 2004 11:19PM
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J.D.
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^Uh...or...you could buy a longer ski... that would make it longer. Just buy 181 1080s instead of 171. Then they dont have to make it longer.

Realistically though, most twins don't come in a good length for racing. I think madtrix come in 191 though, so they'd be good.
Jan 15 2004 11:24PM
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ECfreeski3
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well yeah i do buy twins much bigger, but do you understand what i mean? i dunno, it's hard to explain, but i don't see why the height or length of the tail above snow affects anything



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Jan 16 2004 12:37AM
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J.D.
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If it isn't touching the snow it doesnt affect anything but ski weight.
Jan 16 2004 12:50AM
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super_roadie
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some say non-twin is more stable because its a bigger surface area
Jan 16 2004 1:28AM
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PhattTim
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that's because it's 5-10cms shorter, dumbass, at the same length a twin is a shorter ski because the end is raised rather than touching the ground, god some of you guys are dumb

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Jan 16 2004 6:01AM
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ECfreeski3
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there's no need to be pissed about this...
anyway, yes i understand, i'm just saying why don't they do what (i think it's k2) does and sell a 174 as a 170 or whatever



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Jan 16 2004 12:54PM
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vtpublicenemy3
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ive seen kids racing on pocket rockes and PE's




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Jan 16 2004 1:04PM
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bigpygmy
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it's about effective edge, most twins turn up at the widest point in the tail, which gives you the max effective edge for that ski, other 'flat tail' skis taper back at the widest point of the tail some race skis don't in order to give more effective edge and a different turn shape. Turned up tails are more forgiving in loose snow, and a true twin is for switch and fakie landings, making it easier to achieve these sorts of tricks. You don't necessarily have to have a huge tail to do this sort of thing. Most twins have a forward mounting position making it easier to spin and ski switch, where most other skis with turned up tails have a more traditional mounting position making them ski different, alot of womens specific skis will have a slightly forward mount as well...
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Jan 16 2004 6:32PM
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PhattTim
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I've found in my experience that twins can actually be a little less forgiving in the looser stuff. Maybe it's the slightly forward mounting and having to lean back further in softer snow allows the ski to almost roll back onto the rear tip a little, dunno but I find them less forgiving and that the nose thends to float off a lot more.

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Jan 16 2004 7:10PM
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GeneralButtNaked
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some of the race skis have the ends turned up a little because it helps carving
Jan 17 2004 11:34AM
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OReJow
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give it a few years and everything will be twinned except for true race skis. how often do you see all-mountain snowboards with a flat tails? exactly.

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Jan 18 2004 3:25PM
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the-east-isnt-that-bad
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That's a whole different sport though. Have you ever noticed how snow comes up over the tails of twin-tips and flies up in the air? I'd think that the drag caused by that would slow you down, but I guess all skis do that in some way or another so I don't know.


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Jan 19 2004 11:14AM
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huckedmeat
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i dont think the snow sliding across the top of your ski would affect you at all... maybe .00000000000001 second... if that
Jan 19 2004 11:53AM
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srikoscratch
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i think the only thing hindering your race skiing is that twin tips, like scratches, are harder to carve with but you can carve and race fast on most ski's! if your a true racer i wouldnt think u'd buy some twin tips

Jan 19 2004 2:49PM
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DiscoVolante
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Twin tip or race boards? If you're not going fast enough you're either not using the right wax, at a hill that's too small, or you suck. I wouldn't worry about shit like that, and what kind of poser trys to be a racer with their twin tips. They must really suck!

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Jan 19 2004 3:47PM
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What_A_Wookie
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^^^Theres nothihng wrong with racing on twins, and just because they do doesnt mean they suck
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Jan 19 2004 5:57PM
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Hepcat1000000000
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Shorter skis are for the most part easier to race on. Would you want to race a modified GS on 181 1080's? I know i wouldn't. Having the tail touch the ground give you maximum surface area at minimum length. I'm sure there's more scientific reasons why flat-tails curve better, but i don't know it so whatever.
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Jan 19 2004 6:57PM
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