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mikee
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With all this talk about the Fujahtives, and the fact that they are made with cap construction, which supposedly lowers the quality, I have begun wondering what the difference actually is between cap construction and whatever it is that othe rskis are made using. WHat are the disadvanatages of cap construction and what is it exactly? Because it seems like having it all in one piece would be more durable. FIll me in

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Dec 10 2003 9:50PM
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shagboy
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check out other posts... but.. cap construction just tends to delaminate cuz when u land big the ski flattens and stretches the cap... it will loosen and that's when delaminating happens... the pe's and seth's are sandwich cap which is everything stacked and pressed together... much more durable... no delaminating.. especially with the rivets.. However, the fujatives do have rivets so maybe there safe... are they chearper?


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Dec 10 2003 10:12PM
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mikee
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Much cheaper, and rigth now I am on the old Enemies (not PEs) and they have no delaminating problems or anything. WHat exactly does it even mean for a ski to delaminate? Ive never had the problem.

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Dec 10 2003 10:16PM
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shagboy
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well, when a ski delaminates, the top sheet or the layer with the graphics pulls off of the ski.. the old enemies are known for taht.. u musta got a solid pair... I jsut bought some new pe's the ones without the gold rivets and i havent tried em yet... but they are sandwich...


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Dec 10 2003 10:18PM
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kcorrigan
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the PEs arent a cap construction at all. they have sidewalls. a cap is one piece and a sidewall constrution is usually 3. a cap does tend to be less durable but they are more tortionally rigid which helps it hold edge better. i dont know if the flex is affected at all by the different constructions though.
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d-spin89
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what exactly does a p-tex sidewall do? like on the 4frnts. something to do with cold weather?
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mikee
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Anyone know anything more>?

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Dec 11 2003 11:58AM
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feezy
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It means that when you land a big jump in really cold weather your brittle capped sidewalls would snap. With Ptex the sidewalls wont crack or snap, they are much stronger. And the Fujative is cheap cuz a ski with that kind of flex will break or lose performance very quickly. Its really so that when they do break its not as big of a deal to buy new ones.


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Dec 11 2003 12:02PM
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h3ofilms
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the difference between a cap construction and an abs sidewall construction is quality

in an abs sidewall, there is a separate piece inserted during pressing that is seperate from the core. This is usually a hardened plastic, or in 4frnt and Armada, sintered p-tex. This increases stability and performance at speed, increases the life of a ski and its snappiness, and is just an all around better design.

cap construction is where the topsheet, fiberglass braiding, and other materials just wrap over the side of the core and create the 'sidewall' of the ski. This is cheaper to make, because you are using less materials then with an abs sidewall design. The downfall to this is quality, and repairability. Abs sidewalls and sintered ptex sidewalls are easier to repair if u take a chunk out then a cap construction is

thats basically it. The Fujative is capped for expense reasons. That doesnt mean this ski is SHIT, just means its cheaper

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Dec 11 2003 12:29PM
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aclsarescary
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^^I'm sure the fugitaves are going to have flaws, but the fact that they have came out with something like this is awsome. I'm sure the skis were designed more as a rail ski.
Dec 11 2003 2:12PM
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CTD
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yup, what he said. also, the abs sidewalls take impacts (from rocks, edges ect) alot better. a cap is more durable against impacts, but a sandwich has better preformance, and is more durable for landing jumps






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Dec 11 2003 4:21PM
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zeckgx
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what about the mad trix?? arent they a cap but i have yet to hear of anythig bad happening to them
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Dec 14 2003 10:06AM
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d-mold
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I think a good example for this would be the old and new 1260.
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d-mold
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Oops. Cap construction would be they new ones where they wrap around. And the old ones were sidewall (3 layer if I remember).
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d-mold
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Someone can correct me if I'm wrong.
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Dec 14 2003 3:17PM
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shagboy
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what the hell? Public enemies without bindings are so light! U must have some pretty freakishly tankish bindings there shit head.


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Dec 15 2003 8:35AM
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LPT_311
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What do scratches have? abs right?

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Dec 15 2003 2:40PM
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zeckgx
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yea abs but i think the are both strong just depends on materials and company if it is done right

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Dec 15 2003 2:42PM
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PocketRocketRipper
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being an ex-racer, i know the following...
-cap construction is cheaper, but more durable in the lift line (ie, if an asshole lands on your tails, they will only get scratched)
-sidewall construction carves better, which is why the best race skis have it, but chunks can be chipped out of it, fucking up the flex.
Dec 15 2003 4:31PM
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h3ofilms
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^ kindve a harsh statement, but partially true

it takes ALOT to take a big enough chunk outve your sidewall where it compromises the performance. look at last years scratches, they have abs sidewall and they take a shitkicking and still work

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