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caylorswift
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ok, so im lookin around in threads in the ski equipment forum, and i see this thread comparing two different skis blah blah.

anyway, the person asks how they are on rails. now, in my opinion (i dont do very many rails, if any) i dont think a ski could have a positive or negative effect on rails, well, minus the width and whatnot which seems slightly more logical. but the two skis that were compared were two skis with roughly the same width. i mean you cant turn on rails or anything like that, so why would it matter how good the SKI is on the rails? wouldnt it be how good YOU are on the rails?

just a question, kinda intrigued me.


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Nov 22 2003 12:20AM
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caylorswift
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well, i would think so. but the way the person was asking, and the way i keep hearing/reading how people ask, it seems as though they think that it should have a HUGE effect or something, like carving, or whatnot. bleh that was unorganized and roughly put together, i should really work on my sentence structure


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Nov 22 2003 12:23AM
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dirty_dreb
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ya, different flex is easier for nose press/tail press (although i cant do em) and durability. for instance, armada have stiff flex in tip and tail for nose presses, and the troublemaker edge does not go around the ski, just the sides so they arent as durable
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Nov 22 2003 12:24AM
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caylorswift
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mark - i dont know why, but you remind me of a kid named Barry on my football who just says shit that doesnt really compare to much, let alone the topic at hand, and i dont like barry much. but i dont mind you as of now. but for some reason, when i read that, i just thought to myself 'wow, i didnt know barry was here, and it looks like he is talking out of his ass again'


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Nov 22 2003 12:27AM
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caylorswift
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^and that was NOT meant to be a insult or whatever, just typed what was on my mind at the time.


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Nov 22 2003 12:28AM
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caylorswift
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im sorry, i came off topic

anyway, does anyone else have a opinion or comment they would like to say/express about this topic? i would like to hear them.


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Nov 22 2003 12:30AM
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i'm not a big fan of barry either.
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barry whites a pimp
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lmfao not that barry josh hahaha um yeah

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Nov 22 2003 3:18AM
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rodeo7
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dude, your right, its basically all the person, other than flex and noticable width under foot.
Okay, thats my two cents.
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Nov 22 2003 3:25AM
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LPT_311
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maybe they meant how the edges hold up on the rails. Because some skis like 4 Fronts have thicker edges that hold up better
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Nov 22 2003 8:19AM
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D-spin
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THE POINT IS: if you spend an extra large amount of money on getting new skis you should base it on the fact that somone tells you that they are gonna magicly gonna make you slide rails better... becasue they arnt



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Nov 22 2003 10:57AM
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bigairhuckster3
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id have to say most skis, feel exactly the same on rails, maybe with the tip and tail presses thats true but i cant do them so i really wouldnt know. thicker edges are nice as i have ripped out my fair share



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Nov 22 2003 11:07AM
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LineBoarder
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It is definitely all the rider and what his skills and experience on rails are. I mean, I think once a person gets the form down and can start killing rails some skis will have more of an adavantage then others.... You cant say that the troublemakers don't slide better then like a pair of 99 concepts.... i mean, granted if you are a good skier you will be able to jib with anything, but in the longrun with technology of skis getting better, maybe the better ski will keep you on that rail for a little bit longer, or smoother...

You are def right though, but there are some circumstances, not much though really i guess





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Nov 22 2003 12:42PM
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jensen
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it doesn't fuckin matter. skis are the same ON rails. the only differnce in them is durability. quit being such bitches

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Nov 22 2003 12:49PM
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thickness and thinnes dont matter either



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Nov 22 2003 1:46PM
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remember when barry killed those kids in that car acciedent. what a thug.
Nov 22 2003 4:04PM
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Nov 22 2003 4:44PM
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width is the only thing that will affect rails.



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Nov 22 2003 4:46PM
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all skis are the same, just shut up and go skiing
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Nov 22 2003 4:47PM
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Justo8484
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i have the old blue 1080's and the new silver ones, i find it a lot easier to slide rails with the old, narrower ones, dont know why though. less surface area on the rail means less friction means faster slide maybe? i dont know
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Nov 22 2003 9:12PM
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Ahmets_Brother
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theres a difference if the width of one ski is like 90 in the waist and the other is like 75. but theres nothing else to it

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Nov 22 2003 9:18PM
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ECfreeski3
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believe me, there's no diff on rails from ski to ski...
i went from 164 center mounted line 1260's to '85 180 straight and skinny skis, mounted waaayy back, no problem....there's no differnce


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Nov 22 2003 9:24PM
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SteveXs2
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I'd say there are differences.


Since sliding rails is more than just sliding on a metal object, these are some things that have and have not come into this topic:

- Swing Weight: If you want to spin on or off of a rail, you don't want to be riding a beasty ski, you want something light that you can forget about when you spin.

- Recommended mounting position: Sure some people just have them mounted wherever they want, but it's recommended for that position because of strength issues etc. So people want to know if it's fairly centered for easy balance on the rails.

- Edge thickness, the thinner the edge, the less surface friction to change the way you slide, the thicker the edge, the more surface friction, the stronger edge? Companies don't normally tell people how their slide will be affected by a certain edge thickness, think of it... if you have thick edges there's going to be more friction slowing you down so you'll have to hit the rails faster to keep up your speed if it's a long rail.

- Base Material: Some bases will obviously slide faster than others, people might want to know this.



So yeah, it does matter. Some skis are good on rails (1260), and others aren't (big fat heavy skis) etc.



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Nov 22 2003 9:37PM
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D-spin
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yes everything steve### just said was obiously true but although hes right the factors he listed are only gonna make a minior diffrence, just because u get 1260s, you arnt gonna be able to slide a massive rail if u cant even come close to doing it now



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Nov 23 2003 12:10PM
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Vtsnowski
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i dont like rails, they hurt the skis





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Nov 23 2003 2:18PM
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Obviously, skis are all going to be different on rails, but there are no glaring differences. they are all pretty much the same.
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Nov 23 2003 4:06PM
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dspin7x
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ya wahtever steve you took way to much time to type that out, ya all those things you said might be true to a degree but jesus christ man how is an extra centimeter of edge going to slow you down anymore?? All the things you said probably make .0000001% of a difference

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Nov 23 2003 6:51PM
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Ice-Is-Scary
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Magnetic skis own on RAILS YOU DUMBASS!!! Your so fucking ignorant. Line makes rail specific magnetic skis and if you dont think that matters on rails your wrong!!


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Nov 23 2003 7:13PM
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Pipe_Munky
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doesn't matter since skis weren't built for rails! don't believe me? go fuck up some skis on a rail and try to send them back!




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Nov 23 2003 7:15PM
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kjfreerider
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^ that pissis me off companies should have a different kinda warrenty for rail damage since they obvioulsly make them knowing that we are going to be riding rails with them. and as far as different skis on rails goes the only thing i can think of is how heavy the ski is for swithch ups and spining on and off but there really isnt that much of a weight difference in skis so that doesnt really matter making my comment completly pointless
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Nov 23 2003 7:37PM
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width edges and durability are all that should matter
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Nov 23 2003 8:09PM
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nca777
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There is virtually no difference. I fyou think there really is, youre probably just one of those kids who blames his/her equipment for not having skills.
Nov 23 2003 10:18PM
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