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Please help with my FKS heel problem!!!!

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anxju
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well ok so it isnt actually my problem, but my bro's. but hes at college right now, (yes, hes back at syracuse). so he got rossi ghettos and bought a pair of fks 155's off of an unamed person on ns (i wont say his name).

so i went to the local ski shop to get our skis mounted, i got suspects with px12 jibs, his rossis with fks 155s. i went and picked em up today and the guy at the shop told me that one of the heels for the fkses are releasing too easily.

so i brought em home and tested em out. it was a struggle but i fit into my brother's boots, and tried to click in. all of the following goes for both skis

this is what they look like resting on the binding
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so i pressed down, and im no FKexpert, but it didnt seem right. this is what they looked like
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closer up:
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then (outside), i tested the releasing early part. on each ski, i can eject it just using my leg, not putting all my bodyweight forward or anything. before it releases, it seems to get more horizontal, like this. my boot heel comes up a bit. i tried to do tipstands, and was able to do them successfully 4 out of 6 times. one time i double ejected, one time i single ejected. the other times i tipstanded and stood there for a couple seconds, no ejections. notice the difference from the resting still one.
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when i clicked the binding without the boot, it looks like this
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when i clicked the boot in, i can force it to be more vertical like the above pic.
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compared to:
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and again, im a huge noob when it comes to binders, but is this really supposed to happen? i turned the binding 180 just with one hand using not much strength at all
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please help!!!! we need to ski the weekend after thanksgiving!!!

Nov 18 2008 5:25PM
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anxju
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oh by the way, the din is at 7 and my bro is 5'8, 160. im 5'10-5'11, 160-165ish. so were similar in weight.

so unless i have superhuman strength, theres something wrong here
Nov 18 2008 5:27PM
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invader7
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i can only answer the last one, and that is a yes.
Nov 18 2008 5:29PM
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no_steeze
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it should not be like that, something is very wrong with those bindings
i would say it looks like the boot is too thick but that is not likely at all
huh, i'm stumped, but yes, that is messed up
can you easily pre-release if you force the binding all the way to the closed position with the boot in it?
Nov 18 2008 5:30PM
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anxju
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yeah, it goes back to the less angled position
Nov 18 2008 5:32PM
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WONTON
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its hard to tell from those pics, but it just looks like the forward pressure is set wrong. When you click the boot in, the small white tab at the back of the heel piece should be lined up with the two marks on the plastic. The end of the small white tab that is...
Nov 18 2008 5:35PM
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skiingonskis
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check the forward pressure, that sometimes fucks shit up....
also, the boot might be too wide at the heel for the "curve" of the heel piece, so you might just have to pull it up.
do you still eject super easily when the binding has been pulled up?
Nov 18 2008 5:35PM
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WONTON
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just looking at the one side picture where your holding the heelpiece, it vaguely looks like there is too much forward pressure.
Nov 18 2008 5:37PM
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no_steeze
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the problem seems to be that the bar under the heel isn't lifting
when the boot is in the binding and it's closed the bar should be about a centimeter above the plastic plate, yours seems to stay there even when you push the binding closed
that might have to do with the binding moving up or down on those two little bearings near the turntable assembly
check those out and see if you can somehow get the bar to lift with the boot in it
Nov 18 2008 5:44PM
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no_steeze
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actually yeah, it looks like that
just adjust the forward pressure so that the back of the white tab lines up with the two little black tabs that stick up off the bottom plastic plate, see if that makes any difference
Nov 18 2008 5:46PM
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LC.
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Check the forward pressure. Could be way too much on the one that's faulty.

And find a better shop. They shouldn't have let those go out the door like that.
Nov 18 2008 5:51PM
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anxju
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here is the white tab thing, im not sure what end of the plastic youre talking about

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and here is the front:
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Nov 18 2008 5:52PM
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anxju
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ok so the front didnt have anything to do with it lol
Nov 18 2008 5:57PM
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anxju
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ok so yeah these look off. and being the gigantic binder noob and never owning a pair of fkses before, how do i adjust the foward pressure?

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Nov 18 2008 6:03PM
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no_steeze
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i took a pic of it
so the red circled things are the two tabs on the plastic
you want the back of the white piece (one with the arrows) to line up with those tabs
it's not in that pic because the boot is not in the binding, but it's just to show you the idea

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Nov 18 2008 6:07PM
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anxju
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haha yeah, i figured that one out lol. but how do i adjust it?
Nov 18 2008 6:12PM
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Silence
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on the arms that hold the heelpiece. it's a posidrive setup, and make sure they are even
Nov 18 2008 6:17PM
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yourthemannowdog
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I have the same color and pattern Pajama's.
Nov 18 2008 6:22PM
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anxju
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ok so i adjusted the foward pressure and now theyre all set, but they still eject really easily :(. and when i lift up on my heel my heel still goes like a centimeter up and the heelpiece still becomes less vertical, sorta like its half ejecting before it fully ejects

any solutions?
Nov 18 2008 7:01PM
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anxju
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is this bar supposed to be touching the base of the binding?

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Nov 18 2008 7:34PM
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WONTON
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^nah that part usually doesnt touch the base

this is a pretty weird situation. Im trying to think of what could be wrong now, since you said youve adjust forward pressure correctly but its still releasing like that? hmm
Nov 18 2008 8:03PM
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no_steeze
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no, it's supposed to be off the plastic
Nov 18 2008 8:07PM
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anxju
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yeah it seems like when im lifting my heel, the heelpiece rotates back, until that bar does touch the base. thats where it stops, then when i put some more pressure on, it ejects

and THANKS to everyone!!! mad k for all of you
Nov 18 2008 8:07PM
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Jballz
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i used to have that same issue, it was a long time ago but i took them in to a race shop and the guy put a new spring in the heel piece and in the toe piece and it stayed vertical like its supposed to. so i would suggest that
Nov 18 2008 8:35PM
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Luc.
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i am almost 100% certain that its a forward pressure issue....

take it to a tech that its insured...if u do it ur way, if u break urself or ur binding ur fucked...
Nov 18 2008 8:42PM
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Ben.
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im gonna agree with the forward pressure issue


and def find a better shop. they shouldnt have given you the skis like that. if you hurt yourself you could def sue the shit outta them for that, they were clearing a pair of bindings as ok, that def arent.
Nov 18 2008 8:46PM
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anxju
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no no the shop said the binding had failed is tests

and i fixed the forward pressure issue, didnt i? the thing slides back to the 2 tabs now and is nice and vertical, it just doesnt stay that way
Nov 18 2008 8:53PM
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Ben.
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can you video record it? and throw it on youtube or something? that would make it alot easier to understand.
Nov 18 2008 9:04PM
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Silence
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yeah agreed.

I think lyndon did that once and it was much easier to find a solution
Nov 18 2008 9:33PM
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cobra_commander
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a video of you pulling the boot up would be nice.
why would the shop let it out if it failed the tests? I say find a new shop.

Nov 18 2008 9:44PM
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coolhandluke
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i'd be more concerned with scratching your nice hardwood floors
Nov 18 2008 9:46PM
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gnarrr
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I think I might have a solution. You probably won't like but...

I tested my fks to see if they 180d like yours and they don't. I took them apart to bend brakes. Then I pushed on the spring under the white tab and it came out. I noticed my bindings 180d now. I put the spring back in and it didn't 180. So you'll have to unmount your binding dissemble them and then check under the white tab if there's a spring. If there isn't just go to a shop and ask for one.
Nov 19 2008 11:22PM
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cobra_commander
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they are supposed to do that i have 6 pairs of the turntable heels, they all do the 180 and non are broken.
Nov 19 2008 11:24PM
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Tross
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Some FKS models have a piece that doesn't let the donkey dick slap around or spin very freely. You'll notice it holds the two forward pressure telescopic rods in place as well.

I'm thinking you either have dead springs (unlikely) or a forward pressure issue.
Your forward pressure indicator can be off very easily. That white piece (indicator) will slide under the actual pivot heel. When you lock your boot down it pinches your forward pressure indicator, preventing it from sliding toward the ski tail and giving an accurate reading. This is the most likely scenario. Spin the binding completely around and remove the (white) indicator from underneath the metal pivot plate (should happen around 90 degrees. Then try unscrewing those screws next to the donkey dick - with boot locked in. Loosen them till you either have the forward pressure right or that heel piece locks completely down. Then try your tip stand.
If you're still not having any luck, you may indeed need to repack the springs. Pretty rare that both springs go out at the same time. Kind of like both headlights going out at the same time. Might wanna get rid of em then. I'll take em off your hands.
Push that DIN up more if you're doing tip stands, that's why you've got FKS 15s. Otherwise I've got some Solly z12s I'll trade you straight up for!
Nov 24 2008 12:23AM
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