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Do you love volunteering and doing community service?

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Delphi
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well, if you do, you are in luck.. Directly from the anointed messiah's website comes Obama's plan for those of us who are in school. That's right.....MANDATORY community service. 100 hours a year for college students, 50 hours a year for highschool and middle school students. Just so we are clear on this, we aren't volunteering for this stuff anymore, this is MANDATORY work.... Hello, Obama youth.. This is a violation of our rights against "involuntary servitude." I won't be told that I HAVE to do anything. The supreme court better take this one..


http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_L6pDyjqqsvY/SRO86LBdEEI/AAAAAAAAWzs/YYP79TS2agg/s1600-h/serve.JPG
Nov 7 2008 1:40PM
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comeatmebro
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whenever i get an actual link to a credible page, not some picture of one...i'll believe it.
Nov 7 2008 1:41PM
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Delphi
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http://change.gov/americaserves/
there you go....directly from the site
Nov 7 2008 1:43PM
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T-Holt
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Ugh.
I support Obama but I don't like this policy.  It's not that bad though, at least it's helping people.
Nov 7 2008 1:44PM
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Nicholas.
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ahahhaaha change.gov

change, change, change.

it wont happen, no fucking way dude. dont worry.
Nov 7 2008 1:44PM
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Delphi
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CHANGE is SO AWESOME-southpark ahha
Nov 7 2008 1:46PM
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eheath
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What's hes going to do? put us in jail for not doing bullshit? If this does happen, it won't for years.
Nov 7 2008 1:47PM
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comeatmebro
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agreed.

but it's not going to happen, i can't see that shit happening. so i wouldn't worry.
Nov 7 2008 1:47PM
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Delphi
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Yeah, if that shit passes....oh boy
Nov 7 2008 1:49PM
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g.off
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in CANADA, we need 40 hours to pass high school
Nov 7 2008 1:52PM
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Delphi
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Im glad i dont live there, Oh, and its called Canada
Nov 7 2008 1:53PM
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beer.
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I would totally be down with a mandatory 5 hours a year per citizen.  the world would be a much better place.  I've done a fair amount of volunteering and community service, and I think you have no right to complain unless you do some.
Nov 7 2008 1:54PM
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Delphi
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The good thing about community service is that it is volunteer work. When you force people to do it, you essentially enslave them
Nov 7 2008 1:56PM
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T-Holt
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The same thing in my high school and I live in NYC.  But I go to a private school so I guess they can do that.
Nov 7 2008 1:58PM
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k-rob
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complain much?
Nov 7 2008 2:10PM
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Von
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To quote from the site

"When you choose to serve -- whether it's your nation, your community or simply your neighborhood -- you are connected to that fundamental American ideal that we want life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness not just for ourselves, but for all Americans. That's why it's called the American dream."

then

"Obama will call on citizens of all ages to serve America, by developing a plan to require 50 hours of community service in middle school and high school and 100 hours of community service in college every year."

from choose to require in a paragraph, doublespeak.

Do you guys see what's wrong with this?
Nov 7 2008 2:22PM
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BigJew
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That's not true. In some provinces you need 40 hours of work experience or volunteer hours to graduate (BC, Ontario). And honestly, who hasn't worked for 40 hours in High School? But most provinces don't need that crap.
Nov 7 2008 2:35PM
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natedogg789435
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I only have to do 10 hours of communtity service to graduate highschool. once again proving how lazy americans are. we need shit like this so we don't all go to hell.
Nov 7 2008 2:41PM
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Bulky
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Ok lets get this right. I is Not Mandatory. If you Choose to do the comunity service you will get 4000 dollars a year for college. I dont think thats a bad idea at all.
Nov 7 2008 2:45PM
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Delphi
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^ what part of the word REQUIRE do you not understand?
Nov 7 2008 2:50PM
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ECfreeski3
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i think the plan was service for your country (army, job corps or whatever, etc) in exchange for money for college? unless youre talking about something else. and even if we were required to do some community service, thatd be a good thing. stop being such a pussy
Nov 7 2008 2:57PM
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Bulky
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It is REQUIRED if you want the MONEY.
Nov 7 2008 2:59PM
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Delphi
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Osama's website says nothing about money man......i guess he's just being vague.........sounds exactly like him. Don't get me wrong, I'm all for CHANGE......i just wish someone would tell me what CHANGE is exactly.

"Change is the change we need in america"- Barack Hussein Obama
Nov 7 2008 3:35PM
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ECfreeski3
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you realize you make yourself look like a retard with absolutely no credibility when you call him that right? why dont you find a redneck jerkoff forum if you want to spread your bullshit online?
Nov 7 2008 3:46PM
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Delphi
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Hey bro, why don't you make yourself look like an ignorant moron by calling me a redneck.. I am from Massachusetts and am not even close to being a redneck. His middle name is Hussein. What the fuck is the difference. Would you be whining like a pussy if in a different thread I said the name William Howard Taft? His middle name is Howard..am I a redneck for using his middle name? I'm just waiting for you to accuse me of being a RELIGIOUS (OH MY GOD!!!!) GUN OWNER!!!!
Nov 7 2008 3:56PM
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k-rob
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why do you care? you're obviously too ignorant to pay attention to anything worth noting, so Obama's plan shouldn't concern you.
Nov 7 2008 3:57PM
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beer.
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no one calls people by their first, middle, and last name all at once, dipshit.  I have no idea what mccain's middle name is, but I know obama's, thanks to idiots such as yourself.

and exactly as the guy who called you out said, every time you refer to him as "barack hussein obama" you just lose any respect amongst intelligent people.
Nov 7 2008 4:06PM
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ECfreeski3
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using the taft analogy... you dont call him wiliam howard taft right? no you dont. so the fact that you choose to call him barack hussein obama shows that you have a reason for calling him that, which is obviously that you and people of similar intelligence levels associate the name with middle easterners. do you really think that isnt transparent?
Nov 7 2008 4:06PM
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Dustin.
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Oh please, you are even more full of it than normal.  That's not charity, that's a government requirement.  It's the same concept as a draft, just for service in the community.  I do community service every week and I would pissed off if someone told me that I was no longer doing it for myself to help others, but because it was the law.

On that note, this is both ridiculous and impractical, so I hope this goes no further than it has here on paper.

Nov 7 2008 4:10PM
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k-rob
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i doubt you have ever called John McCain by his full name, John Sydney McCain, because that would really only associate him with a city in Australia, not a terrorist. In fact, i'll bet you didn't even know John's middle name until I just typed it here for you to read.
Nov 7 2008 4:11PM
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Delphi
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EVERYONE CALLS HIM WILLIAM HOWARD TAFT! No one calls him william taft. Obviously your intelligence doesn't equal mine.
Nov 7 2008 4:11PM
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Delphi
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And i actually acknowledge John McCain's name. Why are people so ashamed to hear obama's name and get all pissed off about it. You are subverting your own support of him by defending his middle name.
Nov 7 2008 4:13PM
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ECfreeski3
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oh yeah you really got me on that... way to ignore everything else about the argument.
Nov 7 2008 4:13PM
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Dustin.
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Can anyone confirm this?  That sounds like a job or a tax rebate, not a mandatory requirement.
Nov 7 2008 4:13PM
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Aaaron.
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It's called equivocation.
When you change the meaning of a word or idea in the middle of your statement.
example:
The sign said "fine for parking here", and since it was fine, I parked there.



Nov 7 2008 4:13PM
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k-rob
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so wait, what you're saying is that by making it mandatory, it is no longer going to be about helping people?
seriously, it's still going to be just as helpful, if not more so because now people will have to get off their lazy asses and do something for the community, rather than working just to buy their next pack of twinkies.
Nov 7 2008 4:14PM
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Delphi
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And for the record, Saddam Hussein was not a terrorist per say.. he was a genocidal dictator.
Nov 7 2008 4:14PM
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ECfreeski3
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like i said before... do you really think this isnt transparent? you obviously wouldnt call him by his middle name if you didnt think people impressionable and ignorant as you might hold it against him. im sure there are some great hannity and o'reilly forums for you to find people who agree with you on, go there
Nov 7 2008 4:15PM
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k-rob
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sorry, didn't realize genocide was no longer considered terrorism.
Nov 7 2008 4:15PM
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Aaaron.
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Remember.  A vote for John Mccain is a vote for George Bush!
Nov 7 2008 4:20PM
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seemeski
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I think its a great idea. People need to help each other out more. Think about how much could be done if every high school student volunteered 50 hours a year. I'm down.
Nov 7 2008 4:24PM
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ECfreeski3
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if you already do community service for the "right" reasons, wouldnt you think requiring others to do it was a good idea?
and how it is impractical? helping others? impractical?
Nov 7 2008 4:24PM
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Delphi
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a vote for barack obama is a vote for socialism, that and skyrocketing taxes to fund bullshit universal education and health care.
Nov 7 2008 4:24PM
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Dustin.
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What you are saying is that the guy who bags groceries in order to make money necessary to his continued life in society and the guy who "volunteers" to bag groceries to keep himself out of the laws path are two different situations.  It's no longer volunteering if you HAVE to do it.  It's not like I'm doing community service when I obey the speed limit or decide not to go out and kill people...

Nov 7 2008 4:25PM
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ECfreeski3
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if you think 1) obama is a socialist, or that america will go even near being socialist, 2) universal education and healthcare is "bullshit" then i dont think we need to argue any more
Nov 7 2008 4:29PM
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k-rob
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well it's no longer volunteering if you HAVE to do it, but it's still just as useful to the community, if not more so because there are a lot of people who don't give a shit about others and wouldn't have volunteered anyways.
although i doubt this is the case, he's probably just going to give incentive for people to volunteer, not make community service a mandatory requirement. i could be wrong, but if i am, i still don't think it's a bad thing, and i'm sure there would be expemptions for people who can't make the time, or are physically unfit to do community service. things like this don't happen without laying down some obvious exemptions.
Nov 7 2008 4:32PM
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Delphi
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tell me how forced community service and universal education and healthcare are not steps forward towards socialism? Also, with the Fairness  Doctrine that obama is proposing (which will ultimately shut down conservative radio, MEDIA CONTROL) you can't ignore the shift. How do you expect to pay for everyone to go to college, or everyone to recieve equal health care? Taxing the wealthy, yea thats really fair. lets destroy the people who actually work in this country to benefit those people who are not dedicated enough to get jobs. Who will work in the country when everyone is "getting an education." Think about it, and don't be so fucking smitten with such an empty suit.
Nov 7 2008 4:33PM
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k-rob
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it works just fine up here in Canada.
Nov 7 2008 4:35PM
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ECfreeski3
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what the fuck? are you retarded? "people who ACTUALLY work?" " who will work when everyone is getting an education"? education is one thing every rational person can agree is a benefit to everyone in society... fuck it lets just agree to disagree
Nov 7 2008 4:38PM
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TheQuailman
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America Serves "When you choose to serve -- whether it's your nation, your community or simply your neighborhood -- you are connected to that fundamental American ideal that we want life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness not just for ourselves, but for all Americans. That's why it's called the American dream."

The Obama Administration will call on Americans to serve in order to meet the nation’s challenges. President-Elect Obama will expand national service programs like AmeriCorps and Peace Corps and will create a new Classroom Corps to help teachers in underserved schools, as well as a new Health Corps, Clean Energy Corps, and Veterans Corps. Obama will call on citizens of all ages to serve America, by developing a plan to require 50 hours of community service in middle school and high school and 100 hours of community service in college every year. Obama will encourage retiring Americans to serve by improving programs available for individuals over age 55, while at the same time promoting youth programs such as Youth Build and Head Start.

Obama's plan is pure communism.  Everyone is forced to work for the country.  Everyone gets the same education and healthcare.  Everyone is paid the same.

I think America has forgotten about how we used to fight around the world against communism. 

What ever happened to freedom?  Americans don't have freedom when they are forced to do community service.

Nov 7 2008 4:40PM
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Delphi
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you are missing the point. Who will be around to do the crappy jobs that run this country? Who will work McDonalds? Who will be toll booth workers? People with educations will always shoot for higher jobs. Where will the part time workers go? Not everyone can be doctors, lawyers, and other careers that require schooling.
Nov 7 2008 4:42PM
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