"De-Tune" your edges??

makes sliding rails easier. less chance of the edge biting and making you fall

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dude use the fucking search button n00b there was a topic one page ago atleast go back a page or so and look at it.. im sick of everyone asking thje same question a day later and they dont atleast seacrh for it.
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If you don't detune your outside edge then it will be cathcy, espescially with shaped skis. Also if you don't detune your inside tip then your ski will initiate turns without you wanting it to.
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its simple.
if your edges are so sharp that you keep catching them in the crud snow and flailing one leg out all ugly like then you need to detune your tips and tails....

just take a file, or if you care about you skies a hardstone, and round off about 4-5 inches on the tips and tail.

dont go crazy with this, you still need those edges to turn right, just do a little at a time and experiment.

wow 3 people posted wile i was typing mine... lol

yo dont detune under your boot, the rails you hit do enough of that, if you do then dont expect to ever lay a carv anywere but on the bunny hill man

huh, ive never really had trouble with initiating turns when i dont want to

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haha, i've never heard of detuning your edges. seems like a baaaad idea.... just wears down the limited metal in your edges.

it really only makes sense for sliding soft things (wood, PVC, playground slides, etc...) that could get dug into by sharp edges. otherwise, it's just dumb.

this probably comes from somone who rides powder 24/7 where you don't really need your edges as much..... but here on the East coast, you need dem skis as sharp as you can get em.
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sharp edges are nice and dandy until you fall onto them. i used to make fun of this kid because he would be sharpening his edges every day after skiing, then at a pipe jam at alpine he fell and landed on his edges and had to get 75 stiches in his ass. i had the last laugh on that one

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^ you also ride at mammoth, where edges are not even needed. come over to the North east and try to ski with dull shit, it dont work. I keep my edges sharp. Thats what there on there for, not bot be rounded over, other wise they woundent be called ''edges''
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de-tuning edges is commonly misconstrued (as is evident from the above messages). To de-tune your edges, you should use a Gummi Stone, or something similar, so as to not damage the edge, but simply make it less sharp. Also, when people get cut by their edges, it is not usually because their edges are sharp, but mostly, because their edges are burred. Removing the burr's will greatly reduce the chance of getting cut by you edges.

De-tuning tips and tails has been done for a while. People would do it all the time with conventional (straight) skis, becuase they were not able to properly engage the tip edge into the new turn. Most of the time, shaped skis do not need, nor should they be de-tuned. The way a shaped ski works is by tipping the ski, causing it to bend, which engages the edges on the tips nad tails. You de-tune, you will not grip properly. Furthermore, de-tuning is not damaging your edges, if you take a file at a 45, or a stone of some variety (be it flat, sharpening, or natural stone) chances are you will damage the edge. A couple extra passes over the tip and tail will do suffice if you choose to de-tune.

What scared me the most about the previous thread is the idea of de-tuning your outside edge. First off, never de-tune a complete edge, that is just plain dumb. You ski with both edges and if you detune one, you are just making things harder on yourself.

Now to say that you de-tune to make initiating the turn easier, well, if if does and you are on shaped skis, you are using ineffective, and inappropriate movements, most likely vertical movements in order to transision from edge to edge. So long as your movements (core movements - waist, hips, shoulders...) are forward/lateral movements, you will not have any problems transitioning from turn to turn.

Oh, BTW, the idea of not de-tuning causing hook-ups, in my opinion and many other top skier I know, this is a myth. It is an excuse for improper movements. Even with conventional skis that were not de-tuned, proper movements allowed proper edge engagement, not edge hook-ups.

Just my 2 cents, but feel free to disagree with me.

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yea, i agree. Whats funny is people who aggresivly detune there tips and tails, something that really is not needed on shaped skis. Basicly what it is boiled down to is not to many people out there know how to truly ski a ski. and I still go with the 'Its not the Tune, you still suck' attitude.
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I always get a kick out of the people that get their skis tuned, only to bring em back and complain they're too sharp or too fast.

I've cut myself on my skis once. Its nasty. I also completely ruined my pants.

My girlfriend forgot to detune the edges on the tip of her skis. She caught the outside edge of the left ski-tip in a track on the slope, fell, and broke her collar-bone.

You don't need to FILE the ski to pieces. Just remove a little bit of the material and you should be fine.


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so if you ski mostly east coast style skiing what would you recommend for your edges?



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Good job Manus. Thanks for clearifying everything. Oh yeah one time i feel and i guess i came down on a bad angle, and my skis came back and ripped the knee of my snowpants. Not all of it like a little hole.


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when you nick your pants with your edges, just duct tape em, its water proof, and holds pretty good even in the bad climate.

As far as what your edges should be set to, most skis are shipped out from the factory with a 1 degree base bevel and a 2 degree side bevel. For East Coast, that is pretty much ideal all around skiing tune (Atomic ships 1 and 3, and I think K2 might be 1 and 1 still, but I'm not sure). To be safe contact the manufacturer and ask what the factory tune is. You can always change it if you don't like it. Chances are you should never go less than 1 degree base bevel (unless you are extremely aggressive or racing).

If you do choose to de-tune (I wouldn't recomend - escpecially East Coast), make sure its done with a Gummi, chances are any shop tune will use a gummi, but if you do em yourself, a Gummi is an invaluable tool, it'll take the burs off in 1 or 2 passes and de-tune if need be in between 5 and 10).

i dont give a fuck about my equipment...not until last year at the wsi did I realize how needed edges are to go big in the pipe...
so now i keep one pair at a 3 deg race bevel...its like riding on a railway track straight up the wall...go so big...
my park skis though, I couldnt give a fuck about the edges




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personal opinion: de-tuning your edges under the binding or the length of the ski is important, but first ask yourself if you are going to be hittin rail 90% of the day through the season. of course it all depends how much you de-tune, but if you de-tune too much, you will not have ANY edge grip. thus turning, or carving into hits from anywhere EXCEPT straight on goes to shit.

FOR SURE de-tune 5-6 inches from the tip and tail portions of your ski that have contact with the snow, otherwise your in the woods.

personally, instead of de-tuning my full ski, i base-bevel my edges to a 2-3 degree angle. of course i dont leave them razor sharp, but it cuts the chance of catching an ege on a rail, and still allows for carving a little if need be (takes a little more to get the ski on edge of course) but once again, i DO live in the midwest, so that has some effect on shit, since its icy as hell a month out of the season.



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