Not so sound like a prick, but its a rediculous idea. It would work, in theory with brass inserts, but water would get into the ski and delam it from the inside out.
The inserts you see on snowboards and the old line skis were put into the core during pressing, not threaded in after.
from what i understand he'd try and put a waterproof layer (epoxy) in the holes before he screwed in the inserts. Is that right? cuz then if you placed a thin layer of glue (or threadlocker) on the thread on the outside of the insert it would hopefully make a waterproof seal. I can't remember if the inserts are flat on the bottom or not tho.
also you might need to use a re-sealable threadlocker on the binding screws as the threads arn't that tight and will need more strenght. i'd try it on a beat as shit old pair first. good luck.
ok so im pretty sure I know what youtr talking about, your saying ur creating more of like a line reactor style binding with the built in brass holes so you could transfer bindings easier between skis, but with more holes in the ski for center or all mtn stances for adjustment
thatd be interesting id try it
Even then he would run into problems with when he moved them in the brass inserts. Steel screws are harder than brass and would eventually get loose and strip out.
Really, the best way to do this was accomplised when Head came out with the MadTrix lifter that spun. Problem is that you then need a smetrical ski to make it work...which sucks in pow anyway.
Are you dense?
We already ruled out snowboard inserts...you cant insert them after the ski is pressed. And even if you could, there is the problem of finding hardware to fit into them that will work with your bindings. They take machine screws. M6 if I am not mistaken. Make sure your pattern is exact, or it wont work and lock down tight to the surface of the ski. But since you are mounting yourself, I am sure the pattern will be perfect...
Fine then, skipping snowboard inserts, there are brass helicoil inserts. Drill a larger hole, epoxy iy watertight then thread these bad boys in. Great. The steel screw deforms the brass to make threads in it so it holds tight. As soon as you take it out, the threads are open...Screw it in again, and a new set of threads is made, or the old set is deformed a little. Eventually, the threads strip put and you are left with gaping holes in the ski.
Really, you are wasting your time with this. The trade off of just puttting one set of holes in a ski vs. going through all the trouble you are going to have trying to make this work. Take it from someone that has been mounting and helicoiling skis for the last 6 years...
...This is a stupid and pointless idea and you WILL end up fucking up whatever pair of skis you try it on. And if you do get it to work, I am sure K2 will have a job for you, since they did this for 5 years on their tele skis, then decided to stop because they realized no one felt like changing their mounting position all the time.
You arent getting it...There are not stainless inserts that will work...mainly because they will maul the screws of your bindings. It has been done and an insert will hold better than the screw themselves. Pro skiers use inserts in their skis all the time...they dont even bother to drill regualr holes sometimes. I mounted a pair for Colby West 2 years ago (slight claim) for his pipe skis at X. Went right to inserts. They hold awesome, but stainless or not, will not continue to hold if you keep unscrewing them and rescrewing them.
Really, it can be done, but your inserts will eventually fail, and possibly break your ski based on the fact you are removing more core material.
If you wan, I will gladly drill your skis and install the inserts (brass or the ones in that other thread, we have both at the shop) and ship them back to you. Just tell me what binding, yourt boot sole, and where you want them mounted at. I will gladly do it for free (just pay the inserts...about a dollar a piece). But you will ruin the skis and it wont go anything like you are hoping it to.
No pics of drilling skis, but I have pics of hiking with him when we were still in college,before he even moved out to HN to dig... They are on my comp at home though. Gimme a day or two to dig them up. Jeez. Here is a photo I took while we sessioned a rail in Lincoln NH Oct 31 2004. http://newschoolers.com/web/content/pictures/id/35534/member_id/50818/hide_header/1/
Jesus...cant you just listen to someone who knows what they are talking about?
(hypothetical scenario) say that you did figure out how to do like 2 sets of some type of inserts on one pair of skis in order to swap back and forth, could you possibly just cover up the set of holes that wasnt currently being used with tape? not like scotch tape but just a little piece of clear packing tape? i know its kind of a silly idea but if you were really that determined to have 2 sets would it work?
Here is the last thing I am going to contribute to this thread because a few of you are so caught up in being "different" and doing it "more progressivly" and getting a decent bang for the buck that you arent even thinking.
Line tried it with the Reactor...It failed. But also because no one jumped on board to standardized the mount. But the mounts were a pain because even if the insert was a tiny bit off (like 1/4 of a millimeter off) from the factory, it loosened up all the time.
K2 did it with their tele skis for bindings with the stadard tele mount. Why didnt it catch on? Because skis were breaking along the inserts because with extra core removed to fit the insert, the core was weak. And this is in a tele set up where almost no force is exerted on the tip because of the binding dynamics of a tele set up. So that is something else to consider. Snowboards, because of how much wider they are than skis, have more core material to support the wood that is removed for the inserts. And even with the extra support, boards still almost always break along the inserts.
Yes...t-nuts can work ans wil work well, but waterproofing the core will be an issue, along with a base that will look like this.
Hey!! I even did some research...
Heres the inserts you would want: http://www.ezlok.com/InsertsWood/softWood.html
Here is pricing for them: http://www1.mscdirect.com/CGI/NNSRIT?PARTPG=IMLMKD&PMPXNO=8217907
HOLY SMOKES! $10.50 each?!?! Thats $80 per ski...$160 for the pair just for the inserts...oh well thats the price you would pay for being a "progressionist"
If you really want to do it, here is a thread. Looks to be a bunch of guys who either say "wow thats too much money" or "i have no problem claiming it on my pocket rockets as long as I am different...though I am just gonna have 2 pairs of Fritichis anyway..."