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NSrs control the market not Burton

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BradGeiger
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Sports Authority is ski and snowboards biggest enemy, and the companies to sell to them should be kicked in the balls.  Ski and Snowboard is a culture a way of life not a sport, and the fact that it is merchandised next to Volleyballs and fishing poles is a true tragedy.   If any of you truely give a shit about the preservation of our culture, do not buy brands that sell to sporting good chains.  These brands don't give a shit about our culture, they just want to squeeze as much money as they can out of it.  If we don't start holding them accountable for selling out, they won't stop doing it.  The fact is the core (NS) group controls the market.   Only buy from core shops and buy core brands.  Any brand that sell to Sports Authority is a," Whore not Core."   Ha Ha

Also I just got off the phone with the crew and the Evolution Tour event in Boise went off big.  We will have an updated video out  next week.

Brad Geiger

Aug 17 2008 3:09AM
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jsaya_SagStraps
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that means dont buy salomon, oakley, swix, nike (duh), giro, smith, spy, and under armor. i mean i get helping core brands (which i do) but some of those companies do a lot for our sport (salomon, spy, oakley, etc.)
Aug 17 2008 3:27AM
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BradGeiger
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Its not a high horse man it a fact.  Big Box Retail Chains get huge discounts and undermind core shops.  More and More core shops are going out of bussiness every year because they cannot compete with the Big Box prices.  It is the same situation as Wall Mart. 

Aug 17 2008 3:45AM
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Tinga
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core as shit dude.
Aug 17 2008 3:54AM
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BradGeiger
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I am all about the preservation of ski and snowboard shops.  The fact is more and more of them are going out of business every year because of the huge discounts given to big box chains.  It is bad for our culture if this continues to happen.  It has nothing to do with gaper or not gaper. 

Aug 17 2008 4:04AM
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Bamski
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This is stupid. Fact of the matter is that not everyone is as "educated" as the rest. We all can't buy the choice gear.

The people who buy from the core brand are the ones who keep the sport somewhat catered to. Without them we wouldn't have as many brands to cater to our needs or as much interest in what we do. You can hate on them as much as you want, but every new skier or boarder who gets pulled in to the sport.

We are the die hards of the sport, we do not control the market in any way, shape or form.
Aug 17 2008 4:35AM
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BradGeiger
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Asian Allen,

Let me tell you how our industry works.  When a new ski or snowboard company starts out the only shops who will buy them are small core shops.  After the core shops have made them big enough, big box stores walk into their booth at SIA and dangle a huge order in front of them.  The only catch is that they want a 25% discount or no deal.  When the company give them this discount they can sell it for 25% less and still make full margin.  This kills core shops.

If you think I am on a high horse for wanting to protect core ski and snowboard shops than get me a saddle.  Or better yet I will go to Sports Authority and buy one.  I am sure they have them on a shelf next you your skis.

You should pull your head out of your horses ass and try sitting on it.  The view is much better.
Aug 17 2008 4:40AM
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Bamski
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What do you honestly want? Do you think you reserve the right to experience skiing? Is it completely unique to you?

The only way sports like snowboarding or the new wave of skiing have survived is because of larger companies taking interest.

If you had it your way skiers would still be seen as outcasts in the park or anywhere but the groomers. Larger stores are going to cater to what the masses of people want, it's just how life works.
Aug 17 2008 4:44AM
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BradGeiger
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I do agree with you that the internet is a huge problem as well.  They all play a part in the problem.  The bottom line is the loyalty to core shops and core brands is gone.  Loyalty is the point I am making.  Asian, I am glad to here that you drive the extra distance and pay the extra buck to support the shop that takes care of you.  I wish more did it.

By the way, the  tour will be coming to your neck of the woods in November.  Come ride rails and kick it with us.  I would like to continue the conversation.

Brad Geiger
Aug 17 2008 4:51AM
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BradGeiger
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Bamski, Asian Allen and I have a good debate going and you are fucking it up.  Stay at the kids table and eat your pees.

Aug 17 2008 5:10AM
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BradGeiger
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Asian I like your style,  but  my point has been about loyalty from the beginning.  Keep driving those extra 45 minutes.
Aug 17 2008 5:14AM
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cooterjackson
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Well Brad when you start paying for my skis i will let you buy them where ever the fuck you want. Business is business sure the ski manufactuers give those places a 25% discount, they are a major portion of their business. These retailers take large shipments of all the sizes, colors and models without those larger orders we wouldnt have as many choices of what size  or what color. It wouldnt be economical for these companys to offer more than one color or size. It costs more for the ski manufacer to change production lines in the factory in china,  (it would cost even more anywhere else in the world) than the total product produced unless they sell large quanities. These stores are necessary for quality products that are mass produced. I cant think where skiing would be without these large retailers pushing skis and product they way they do.  I dont understand why you dont like having so many choices avalible to you and saving money at the same time.

Aug 17 2008 9:28AM
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Fairview
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I just need to point out that you work for DNA, which is one of the least "core" brands there is.
Aug 17 2008 10:45AM
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Aenigma
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This is a joke, right?
Aug 17 2008 10:53AM
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Mooose...
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+karma
Aug 17 2008 11:05AM
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skiRay
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i agree with this. i am all for supporting core shops and companies. my shop that ive been going to for years closed this past fall. trajic... but now instead of going to sports authority or ski market, i buy directly from the website of the company. as for oakley, i support them, and i think they do care about us. we give them like 1/2 their business between goggles, sunglasses, apparell, and whatever else you buy from them. they wouldnt advertise in freeskier if they didnt care. i know i dont see sports authority doing that....
Aug 17 2008 11:23AM
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R.Fahey
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Sources?  Did you just make that up? It seems like more and more core shops are popping up recently.  The people who buy from big chains, like Allen said, are not the same people who buy from core shops.  Two different markets, and the big chain customer is where the money is.  Once people stop liking money, then maybe you'll see all big companies pull out of chain stores.... never.
Aug 17 2008 11:56AM
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R.Fahey
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And about the internet being a problem with it.... that's bullshit to me.  Everyone has the same opportunities on the internet in some sense.  Jibij, a tiny little core shop started by one dude has online sales, and i'm willing to be their biggest form of advertising is right here on NS with team updates, etc.  If anything, I think the internet is helping with some core companies.

And Backcountry.com, although a huge company, is not a chain.  It's the work of two successful dudes, who started in their garage selling only beacons, then continued to grow and grow because they were smart.  They're one of the most core shops that I know of too. 
Aug 17 2008 12:05PM
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vinnyT
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The internet actually benefits small "core" shops, by allowing them (with one shop and a website) to compete with sports authority (with thousands of shops)
Aug 17 2008 12:35PM
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laurence^
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Kind of lame that you come on here just to patronize us, you're definitely someone who can't argue properly when you say shit like "let me tell you how the industry works" because you know all... and stop saying core it's getting on my nerves

The fact of the matter is unless you live in a big ski area, how else are you going to get some gear. I for one am going to admit i have bought shit from stores like big whatever the fuck but i also support small shops. I can't single handily help a shop exist, a lot of factors come in way before me buying their product. Respect and reputation also come in handy, like allen says, if a local shop is just a bunch of fucking potheads who cant mount a ski then fuck them, i want satisfaction!
Aug 17 2008 12:56PM
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blindside
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I agree.
Aug 17 2008 1:17PM
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