Why is skiing so far behind snowboarding?

there are plenty of people that are like that. I visit this site often, and i don't try to emulate the people on NS. Sure there are people that do, but theres just as many that don't. Remember, just cause you don't hear about them doesn't mean they don't exist. NS is just going through a fad of afterbang and gorilla style. If you think snowboarding is so much cooler then skiing, why don't you just snowboard? The better question is why does skiing have to be compared to snowboarding?

i dont agree with all of this but its great that you are saying people need to go with there own style and develop their own ideas. i like how everyone can see what everybody else is doing and how they are progressing on this site, but people are being really unorigonal, and its one thing to look at your favorite skier and be like wow i like his style but when you are posting in gear talk "Is this cool?" its pretty stupid. im my opinion we should stop worrying so much about if other people like your outerwear choice or not and just do what you like rather than what the people on NS think is nice

I think a major part of why skiing is so far behind snowboarding is just the amount of time we have had.  Freeride/park stuff just hasn't had as much time to progress as snowboarding.  The tricks are there for the most part, skiing just needs to catch up with different styles.  Surface, and the Idea/Nimbus guys are heading in different directions which is nice to see.

Let me tell you about a little ski movie called Hot Lunch.

WRONG! it has nothign to do with the amount of time because you can see young snowboarders doing it they are constantly changing things. its easy to do something once its done., so why not just do it on skis. if it can be done on a snowboard it can be done on skis, or a similar variation. it has nothign to do with age of sport but just the fact that skiing is so narrow minded.


yes nimbus and surface are a brand or company starting to follow something new. big ups.


why do i ski and not snowboard? i like it. its fun. i like being able to have 2 legs.






smarter people are posting instead of the usual shitheads. cool

Think of it as a prison. In prison, the guy behind is almost always seen as being in the dominant position. So it is with snowboarding and skiing.

Wrong? Maybe you misunderstood me. Snowboarding has a lot more pro's and am's going in different directions and therefore younger kids take different influences.  How many skiers try to emulate Tanner Hall, Simon Dumont, Tom Wallisch etc?  A lot of the style is similar.  Right now in skiing its pretty much just gangster this, gangster that.  Once hesh starts becoming bigger, and different styles progress younger kids will likely take different styles.  I wasn't really speaking on tricks, because this thread is more about style I believe. 

they're both too cool for school these days

i definately agree that snowboarding is way ahead of skiing. you can compare any good snowboard vs. a good ski edit and you can't deny it. i think part of it is just the fact that snowboarders can jib a LOT more than skiers. Skiers pretty much can't jib much at all when it comes down to it. And when its all in the park and some urban and bc of course, you just cant get as creative and it doesn't give off the same vibe as snowboarding edits do.

This is exactly what im saying the problem is. certain types of media(cough newschoolers cough) provide so much hype around one style. the support for different styles isn't there and the hype for them isn't there.a kid wears tight pants aand skis without poles(example) and is flamed to shit until he gets back to 90cm or shorter poles and xxl clothing. in snowboarding, there is support for alternative ways of looking at things so people can go in that direction and the flaming between diff styles which definately exist just isn't quite dominated by the one G_UNIT theme.



newschoolers has been sick gettin skiing going. it really helped people group together and for a tight skier crew while it was becoming more popular but as skiing grows newschoolers hasn't grown as much to help skiing branch out into newer newschool trickery. and i know its not the sites fault, its the kids hyping someone and everyone else seeing that this is "cool" so they follow,





on a side note, asian allen guy. fucking yeah.!! how many kids can you see do a nollie nosepress to back 2 out? probably 1 or 2, but everyone else on this site knows no one. fuck, how many people can do a proper nosepress. alsmot none again. yet would someone tlike that be top rated, win a contest. nah. but 2 pretzl 4 might get both.
lame

why not?

you can jib way more things than you think, u just havent seen joe pro do it.

i tottaly agree with every word of this i like jon olson cause everything he does is super smoot and he doesnt do that crazy of spins or anything and style i rock what i enjoy

Exactly! And technically we should be able to jib more because we have two planks attached to your feet.

no. we cant ollie dude. that cuts out so much crap
and yes we can ollie i know but its pathetic compared to what snowboarders can do. we also have to grind sideways...eliminates a few things as well. i'm by NO means saying that its impossible for skiers to jib, because thats not true. i love what ihateny is doing with their jibbing, im just saying that snowboarders can do a lot more when it comes to screwing around on random things

I really like the idea of creating our own style, but I have to say, I really wanna look like my favorite skiers. When my style becomes developed, it will be a mixture of all the different riders I am influenced by. A perfect example of somebody who has different influences is Henrik Harlaut, because he mixes that gangsta T-Wall steeze with what I like to call "Euro Perfection". His style is so complete and you can see the Are skiers influence there and you can see the 4bi9 influence, especially in his rails. When he switched up around that one pole sticking out in his JOSS edit, that was one of the sicker things i've seen done on rails, I haven't seen anything like it before.

damn man, the  idiocy and hypocrisy in your post has me perplexed. I guess I'll go about this sloppily, cause I dont really give a shit.

You must be pretty stupid to think skiing falls short while snowboarding, grandiose and supreme, is free of plagues of monotony, trends, conformity, blah, and blah blah blah. Perhaps your head is too thick to see just how skiing is, in fact, diversifying, year after year. You could look at the explosion of new companies catering to different realms of skiing as an example; not all are for the same preferences. Same with the media that is produced. Say, in 2002, a happy two plank person only had a few movie options to choose from, while now, a happy two plank person has a pissload more to choose from, ranging from all parts of the world, budgets, styles, riders, etc.
What bugs me the most is that you say that snowboarding is better because snowboarding is better at being trendy? Then what the fuck are you complaining about? Sorry, its pretty stupid to complain about trendy fucks in skiing when you say boarding has to openly borrow trends to make it so cool.

And when it comes to the myriad of styles within the sports, I'm sure I could take a general statement about many different styles within snowboarding, and easily to apply to skiing. Your problem seems to be multi-fold: you're looking from the outside in (to snowboarding), oblivious to all the trend whores, cock gagging of certain people/companies/styles; you seem to forget that skiing, or freeskiing as we really know it, has only really come to its own in the last few years, really breaking out only after the millennium, while boarding has nearly decades under its belt, so it is natural that styles/niches would be more diversified since it has had more time to mature and develop various bases; also, you seem to really base your rant on this site alone, neglecting that - while there are a bunch of wankers on here just oogling certain things - there is a significant variety of preferences, styles, groups, what have you. You get beyond this site, and you'll see that there is even more out there.


If you get onto the comp scene, locally to globally, in practically any sport, you will run into a bunch of shit where certain people of status get the edge because of... status, affiliation, whatever, while the underdog/unknown gets the shaft. It isn't exclusive to skiing. It is very prevalent in snowboarding, too.

Clothing... well, why the fuck should companies sponsor people if not to sell more shit? You think it's cool for companies to make money (unless I misread, which is possible), and this is one of the avenues. Personally, I find much of the athletic marketing in sports to be a bit disgusting, including in skiing, but hey, more power to them. If a bunch of cocksuckers want some inferior shit because their idol wore it, well, fine. It's stupid, but that's the name of the game. Let the sheep get their grass.

But I do have to agree with one little aspect: when some people start to kind of blow up on the scene, some do try to be so cool, and one of the coolest ways to show that you're cool is to have a strong mental deficiency; it's cool to be stupid as long as you're good. But... it exists in snowboarding. OMG.

Sorry, not the most eloquent and insightful response, but... get your head out of your ass :)

BAHAHAHA wow thats hilarious props

who cares just do your own thing.  that being said, i kind of somewhat agree...........i think it has something to do with the fact that snowboarding has always been about jibbing & having fun from the get go, while skiing has a whole bunch of tradition and history behind it.

idk about anyone else but not everyone likes every trend they pick up on what they want too. the sport is still reasonably new and i would say that snowboarders do just as much emulating as skiiers, most of my friends snowboard there's groups of snowboarders just like skiers and snowboarders hate on diff groups of snowboarders just like skiiers do. i dont really agree with what you're saying. i think people get lots of influences from many things not just this web site. i skate and used to snowboard and from that can draw some creative things. im also from the east and live in the west now. i think where you live has ALOT more to do with what you do than websites. maybe it's just me but me and my friends go do what we wanna do and have a good time if someone happened to do what we're doing in a vid. doesnt mean that's why we're doing it. or maybe it was inspiring one can put a diff spin on it. but because the sport is progressing really fast and is still new i dont think you can really generalize it yet, once it starts peaking out more than you will see more clicks and diversity. idk though the hate all stops when you get to know someone so everyone should just say hey on the mountain and be respectful and everyones style will be accepted and there will be peace on earth! ha

i no what your talking about to, i think jumpings for jocks haha.

skiings following the same path it has been since ''happy days'' evan the same riders r in alot of the same movies to this day!

ive made an edit which isnt gangster but is more fun and has a bit more creative tricks and filming like hole runs through the park, tight and baggy pants riders, blunts on rails ect i will post this up once i find the import cable to my computer haha

the edits called tight tuesdays POTP edit if ya wanna see it :) will e up tonight hopefully

im stoked!

oh i forgot to mention what about wil wesson??????
http://www.lineskis.com/#/skiers_union/videos_and_stories/96

ok cant find the cord, will make edit later im doing a rail jam 2mo will film that and some shots off joss in the pipe would be cool will make eidt later

I agree with alot of whats being said in this thread and thats why I also think skiers should break out into different types of styles, look at what brady perron is doing, thats the kind of direction that I think that skiing should move in. If some people want to be hesh thats cool to. In m opinion the ski industry isn't in a bad place right now but it would benefit everyone if more styles were out there, movies would be more entertaining, edits would be better and more money would be pumped into the industry. On another note its not necessarily harder to jib stuff on skis and presses are not that hard, probably easier than pretzels and other rail tricks just more people need to do them and work on them because thats definantly an aspect of rail skiing that has a lot of potential for improvement.

one question: "why do you care so much?"

i mean really, we're all out there to have fun. why do you feel a need to be "cool" like a snowboarder? two different sports going to two completely different directions. compare skateboarding to inline....are they the same? no! do inline skaters go around asking why they're not as cool and different as skateboarders? probably not.

honestly, everyone is so concerned with their "image" that you're taking the fun out of the sport. just go out there and do what you will and stop caring about how the sport is dictated. if you're not happy with the way things are going, do something different and who knows, you may be responsible for starting something new. following the rest of the crowd and asking other people to change won't do anything for you.

I agree with the post above.  Who cares if skiing isn't as cool as snowboarding.  Being from the midwest, I never skied to be cool.  To be honest, when you start talking about skiing around here they get lofty visions in their minds of lakehouses and nice boats.  When you explain your talking about snow they shrug their shoulders and say 'never mind'. 

I ski because I love it.  There is no better feeling on earth then faceshots on a powder day.  Tell me it's not cool; I don't care.  Its all about having fun and enjoying what gifts you have been given.  When you are doing that, anything is possible.  Be a leader, go out and have fun.

i dont think its the lack of more idols, if thats what your saying...i mean ya having a larger amount of pros would add more steeze to the whole thing, but i mean ask yourself last time you were doing a trick did it ever look EXACTLY like a pros? and i dont mean in quality i mean in style....everyone is different i really dont think that the progression speed of the sport is determined because there are too many copy cats around....and i think were on a good pace personaly, i mean it can always go faster but when i think about it is it really necessary?

or we could look at the biiger picture and NOT try to be like snowboarding.  i think skiing is behind, but i also think that its taking a DIFFERENT route (not a bad thing) than snowboarding.....this thread is really contradicting itself....youre now idolizing snowboarding, which is also a fad i have noticed.

word, me to. on so many skier profiles they list snowboarding as other stuff they enjoy doing, and say stuff like id snowboard as much as i ski if i could.

Yes, this sounds cliche, but people really need to do what they really want, not what other people think everyone should do. But if it's your style to do what other people are doing, then go for it. Personally, I really hate it when kids hate on other kids because they don't think that what they're wearing is "cool." If everyone has their own style, the sport could really "progress," maybe even faster than snowboarding did. But is that what we really care about? Being more diverse and more cool than boarding? I don't think it should be. We're all here because we like to be out on the mountain (at least most of us are). I'll keep doing my own thing and not worry about other people. You do what you want. But I did get really annoyed with all of the 'no poles,' 'tight pants,' and 'gangster' threads. Thankfully those haven't been as numerous lately.

why you gotta diss your own sport?

I cant believe no one has said it...

search your bar.

and +karma for starting a good discussion.

i didn't read ne of this, but i honestly think skiing has passed snowboarding by a ton..maybe not by exposure, but deff. by tricks and such

last time i checked. . . . .



. . . . . THA TABLES HAVE TURNED

ahhh i dont like to hate on ppl but,

that post is what he is talking about,
we cant just look and the nimbus guys to give us a new style, theres so many other cool things you can do besides switch pow and butters

skiing is not behind snowboarding. years ago, yes. but now fuck no, id say were further ahead now.

it depends on the individual

without the people to feed the more creative aspects of skiing and the ones who drive it, one without the other is no more. people can be trendy all they want but i hope others can see who is more real than the other. every sport has there main-stream and trend, so be it. begin to appreciate everything different than the rest.

skiing is behind because of time and people, and thats normal. do what you do.

care.

I am a little surprised at the source here. I've skiied with you more than once Pete, I think you practice much more nonfuckgivery in real life than it seems from this thread. Stop worrying so much about the direction of the sport so much and just do your thing, which is what you usually do anyway. It's just skiing dude. Enjoy.

ok, just because snowboarders can tail press a box better than a skier does not mean that they are more creative and advanced than skiers. travis rice landed a double rodeo 1080 in the x games best trick. jon does those backwards. skiers grabs are also way more innovative than snowboarding grabs. most of their grabs (aside from the rocket air) pretty much look the same. the possibility of grabbing on skis has way more options. tail and nose pressing, and 50/50's are the only things snowboarders have on us. look at any other aspect of the sport and you will see that ski is further ahead, backcountry, racing, you name it and skiing is further ahead

If you want skiing to progress, get on the snow and do something about it. in my opinion, the cause for this so called "lag" behind boarders, aside from a few technical inhibitions (ollies, presses, 5050s), is how much people are fixating on skiing's short comings. Be it bitching, hating, or even crafting an eloquent argument on newschoolers, it is detrimental to skiing as a whole. The arguement that snowboarding is more creative than skiing is, in fact, a non-issue. It is basically like saying rugby has progressed further than soccer. Creativity comes from those who create it. Look around you. Pollard, Pep, Sage, Ihateny, Durtschi, Blake Nyman, Paco Garcia. They, and countless others, are pushing skiing into new directions, each in their own way. Durtschi's segment in Enjoy was so much fun to watch, not just because he is a talented skiier, but because he was having fun the entire time. This is what skiing is about. Fun. Not style, not clothes, not pretzels. If these, or any other aspects of the sport enables you to have more fun on skis, do it. Forget what other people are saying and just do what feels right to you.

And to those who still believe that snowboarding is still progressing faster than skiing, just watch JP Auclair's segment in Ski Porn. Look what has been accomplished in just 10 years. Look what is still being accomplished. Forget the hate, forget the haters. Just get out on the snow and have some fun, whatever that may be.

hahaha pete, the reason skiing sucks so much more than snowboarding, is because can you ever envision the coastal team hanging out and having this discussion?? "The idiocy and hypocrisy exhibited in this thread" are you kidding me? Who fucking says that in real life. Yes, it's skiing but pete's raising a valid point about culture.

Why are all of my best friends tight with the snowboard scene in van, yet as soon as they get to another mountain skiers oogle us and stare, yet our snowboarding friends almost instantly  attached to the local shredders? We go to the same parties, same bars, and fuck the same people, isn't it logical that people at other mountains do the same? How come all of those same snowboard friends have their unique styles (like Sean's rockstar-ism, and Matt's xxl everything) yet hang out with each other, meanwhile us skiers all somehow manage to look the same despite best intentions. It makes no sense.

Pete isn't talking about the weekend warrior who loves skiing and thinks its a blast, he's more referring to the people like him and I who let skiing make every decision, and the people who are legitimately part of the skiing scene in their respective regions. He's also talking about the people who understand culture and fashion is a big part of skiing, and dont try to deny it. (FYI: to the people who think fashion isn't important, don't bother posting because you're on a different wave length here)

who cares...both are fun!

Tell my why this exists:

snowboarder at my local mountain (sorry pete for this example, but you know im still in l-o-v-e):

random nort on newschoolers:


why do we not peer pressure kids so they dont end up looking like this, and instead have some shred of identity and look like the snowboarder instead (or rather a variation of)

skiing is progressing, who cares if it is behind snow boarding, i love skiing, and ns

Skiing is progressing but style wise and diveristy in skiing is far behind snowboarding.
We shun any new style, and we sit on NS and babble about how gay it is.

that is a really good point.