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Would it be good if gas prices were raised?

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babujib
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now no one will admit this, paying 4 dollars a gallon for gas is brutal. But the more i thought about it, i realized. everyones trying to help fix the planet right? but no one is REALLY researching for alternative fuel sources because theres no real money in it. Ethenol, great idea but farmers arent willing to exspand with no reward. Instead if prices go up people will be forced to come up with alternative fuel sources and really have to ration off when they get gas. Just an idea, im saying that nothing will really be put into effect until gas prices hit 10 bucks.
Jun 16 2008 10:28PM
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Shadows
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it would cripple society even more then it already is. not a good idea to keep raising gas prices at all until we have an affordable, easily accessible alternative.
i just saw a commercial for exxon mobil about a new lithium battery theyre developing for cars. kind of thought it was ironic coming from an oil company like that but whatever.
Jun 16 2008 10:32PM
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Caveman.
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No. Government needs to stay out of the energy crisis. Price setting will only hurt our economy more.
Jun 16 2008 10:38PM
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JSskier
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it sucks paying for the high prices but i could be good. less consumption, alternatives, etc. they are coming out with new technology (although gradual) and it's better for the environment. we need to make sacrifices if we want our earth to still be here and clean in 1000 years. and i think ethanol isn't good because it makes us import more corn since we're using it for ethanol i had to read an article about that for school
Jun 16 2008 10:39PM
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Swan_Solo
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I'm lovin' the prices

Jea
Jun 16 2008 10:40PM
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Dr_Feelgood
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yea not good. with the ridiculous increase in gas prices the american dollars value goes down the shitter. 1 euro is like almost 2 dollars now. with the increase in gas prices everything else goes up, which results in INFLATION, and INFLATION sucks. i hate to be political, but bush has had enough. he completely fucked up our economy with this extended war for oil. enough is enough. i hate paying $2.75 for a shake at stewarts when it was $2 last year. bullshit. wow im pissed off now for absolutely no reason. haha
Jun 16 2008 10:43PM
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asapCferg
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um no? the prices are already very unreasonable
Jun 16 2008 10:45PM
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Shadows
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well maybe thats a good thing then. if E/M thinks theres money in that market and wants to develop it, more power to them i say. who cares where its coming from as long as its a solution to a problem.
Jun 16 2008 10:45PM
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tribefan226
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how the fuck could it be good. seriously get off the environments imaginary dick for a moment. i realize burning fossil fuels is bad and everything but the economic consequences of rising gas prices while there is still no affordable alternative is far worse than any environmental problems.  gas affects the price of almost everything since transportation costs for goods are higher. we've been burning fossil fuels since the industrial revolution, i think the earth can take another couple decades until we have a cheap alternative 
Jun 16 2008 10:51PM
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babujib
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right but what im saying is if the prices are raised thats the only way to expedite the process of making alternative fuels
Jun 16 2008 10:52PM
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Shadows
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i hear what your saying man, but what your suggesting is basically to stop using gas for a while until we find another way. which might be 50 years before we reach a solution. we still need to be able to do things while we are researching/making a solution. and we need to be able to do them as cheap as possible. which means keeping gas prices down.
Jun 16 2008 11:11PM
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babujib
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yeah touche
Jun 16 2008 11:12PM
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-dva-
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false.  look at the rest of the world.  yes, they have higher taxes on it and whatever, but theres a reason that every other developed country does it except for us.  i think rising gas prices will be good in the long run from an environmental perspective.  even if you completely disregard alternative fuels which may or may not happen in the near future, it encourages people to drive less and possibly even utilize public transportation.  i can only hope that this inspires some investment in better buses and trains and more widespread use of these in the states. 
Jun 16 2008 11:19PM
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bermbuster49
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i vote that the gov. just comes out and states that we will be drilling in Alaska.  even if they dont do it at least say it, rumor has it that just stating that fact could drop gas .80 cents (because all the speculators who are shooting us in the foot will stop buying)
Jun 16 2008 11:22PM
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coolhandluke
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thankfully all of you are considering not just filling your own tanks, but how higher gas prices will raise the price on nearly every good and commodity in our economy......

higher prices all around ..........is inflation.  paying more for the same goods and services.  thats actually not good according to my bank account.


Jun 16 2008 11:25PM
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-dva-
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i really hope not.  its such a fucking cop out.  drilling in alaska is not a long term solution to our oil problems and will only result in a temporary drop in prices.  i think we as americans need to suck it up and start walking and riding our bikes.  who knows maybe we'll lose some weight while we're at it.
Jun 16 2008 11:26PM
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bermbuster49
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word, but we really need to do something about the faggots buying and selling the oil for profit. lets all get tourches and pitchforks
Jun 16 2008 11:28PM
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-dva-
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i'll be right behind you.

no homo
Jun 16 2008 11:32PM
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Grube
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it could be good in the sense if your in the city and taking the bus is fine but what if you have to drive long distances. like to the mountain and stuff. people need to be able to drive and there is just no way of getting around that.
Jun 17 2008 2:17AM
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Static
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you can't wakeboard behind a bike
Jun 17 2008 3:18AM
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marc_sncl
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hey gas prices have already hit 10 bucks around here, and it doesn't change as much as we hoped, but it's getting better, research is actually being done now
Jun 17 2008 8:18AM
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-Mugatu
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who cares if our planet is clean in 1000 years. you will be dead, your children and like 5 generations will be dead.
i hear what your saying and all but do you really care?  like thats very very very far away.
Jun 17 2008 8:22AM
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no_steeze
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i don't think it would work because alternative fuel isn't big enough of a concept. ethanol was a great IDEA but turns out it uses more oil to and energy to produce it than it saves. as for riding our bikes, it's like the vegetarian thing, all vegetarians think they can change the world but really a small majority will actually not eat meat where the rest will stuff their faces at mc donalds. so you can't force people to change, it would be great, but raising gas prices as said above would cripple our society even more and you would pay the price also (no pun) because if you want to go skiing somewhere sick are you gonna ride your bike let's say to tahoe in the snow? and in that case, don't you not want to have to spend 5 bucks a gallon? it'll make people miserable instead of generating change
Jun 17 2008 9:18AM
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switchskier206604
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i hope it doesnt go up too much higher, but i hope it reaches a point where it can't go up any longer without it being uneconomical for the oil companies to even produce the petrol because people will be unwilling to pay the price they'll ask.
Jun 17 2008 10:49AM
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Boodje.
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if gas is 10 dollars a gallon people will still buy it, we need it to survive. and people are just that retarted.
Jun 17 2008 10:52AM
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Dan.
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Ethanol was such a great idea that half the gas stations around here advertise how their fuel isn't polluted with any ethanol mixed in.
Jun 17 2008 11:36AM
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switchskier206604
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are you serious? they have that backwards dont you think?

hybrid poplar trees and electric motors are the futuuure
Jun 17 2008 11:39AM
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freestyler540
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Money should be forwarded towards research and not drilling. We are only delaying the inevitable, oil will run out.
Jun 17 2008 11:45AM
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Twinjibber77
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bump for a horrible idea. . . . . . . . .

i like cheap gas.......good thoery, but only in theory
Jun 17 2008 11:49AM
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deathcookie
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lets all ride horses.
Jun 17 2008 11:50AM
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no_steeze
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better yet, let's all just teleport, i heard wallisch can do it so why can't we?
Jun 17 2008 11:57AM
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krazykeegs
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Really?
You fucking shithead
higher gas prices???
NO
Jun 17 2008 12:07PM
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blindside
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actually ethanol isn't a good alternative at all. It was shown that it pollutes almost just as much as regular gas and is negligibly more fuel efficient.
Jun 17 2008 12:12PM
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babujib
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helpful post man really insightful
Jun 17 2008 12:14PM
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Karcher
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it is a good thing because people are forced to look for alternative fuel sources. thats a fact right there you are correct
Jun 17 2008 2:04PM
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ferrinski86
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rising gas prices wont help alternative fuels develop. it sounds good at first thought, even i thought that, but alternative fuels are being developed as we speak and have been for years. it takes time to develop and make these alternative fuels and energy work. the only thing that is going to happen when gas prices rise are pissed off lazy americans who will buy gas till new energy comes out (im not saying im not one of those ppl, i will be).

but i was watching good morning america this morning and ford was letting people drive their new hydrogen based car with only water emissions. thats badass. to bad it will be like 10 years, they said, until ford releases it to the public but people, dont worry, help is on the way. haha. The government is not the answer to pumping more money to fix the problem, it may help but the motive is already set in place and corporate america will come through.
Jun 17 2008 2:29PM
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*rkp*
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Legitimate alternative sources of fuel and power have already been developed for years. The patents have been monopolized by the oil companies and therefore we won't be seeing any of these ideas until the corporations feel that they can make a bigger profit from other means rather than from fossil fuels. They're going to milk it for all it's worth and keep filling out heads with scare tactics and other crap while they capitalize on man's dependance on oil.
Jun 17 2008 2:43PM
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ferrinski86
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your right, but frankly thats how business works pal. you don't change your ways or start something new in a business until you know that you will be making money. it makes no sense for a company to change just because the ability and the technology are here, it takes money. if i was the CEO of Ford or GE. there is no way i would start implementing new cars until i knew that they would make money (and dont read too far into my reasoning, of course i know the CEO does not control or make that drastic of a change. i just used that as an example).
as i said in my previous post, companies are already developing these cars.
Jun 17 2008 2:51PM
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Static
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you're crazy if you think people wouldn't buy electric cars if they cost the same as a gas operated car. Just wait, within 3 years we'll see electric cars around 30k, and guess what people are gona buy them like hot cakes, it's rediculous how much cheaper they are to drive per mile. Sure the power companys need to  burn fuels to generate electricity but the cost savings is there. And over time we'll move the power plants to the next step, weather it's nuclear, or weather based. So what ever car you have now, drive it till the day it dies because resale value is going to be nonexistant.
Jun 17 2008 8:02PM
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Caveman.
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You obviously live in an urban area where this idea will work. For most Americans who have jobs, go to school, or ever want to get out of their town they will still have to drive. I am not against biking and walking, I bike whenever I can. Today I drove about 30 miles for my job. Was I supposed to ride my bike? I have a pretty kick ass trailer I could have loaded all the lumber on that I needed and made about 30 trips... As gas prices go up most people will still need to drive and it will cause the price of EVERYTHING to increase.
Jun 17 2008 9:44PM
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bigwhite.steeze
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at the moment theres not really any better fuels to use except electricity...

if you actually read up on it ethanol isn't a viable fuel.
Jun 17 2008 9:58PM
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Caveman.
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Most electricity is generated from fossil fuels...
Jun 17 2008 10:02PM
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lloyd_christmas
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for the ethanol piece, it's not our best option right now
it is an alternative, but the Energy In vs. Energy Out perspective (to produce ethanol for a petroleum substitute) is almost worse, if not just as bad.  it costs way to much in terms of money, but mostly energy, to convert it to where we could use it for fuel.  we simply need better methods of conversion and production

as for electric, hopefully that may work out within a few years or a decade or so....let's hope someone figures it out.  until then, not much we can do

and yeah, higher gas prices wouldn't do much good economically, maybe cause the few stragglers who still don't notice the problem to sort of wake up and hopefully fund/find/exhaust ways to find energy-efficient fuel alternatives

Jun 17 2008 10:05PM
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bigwhite.steeze
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theres not near enough land for production of ethanol in the world to power the needs of the world^^

and while alot of electricity is produced by fossil fuels there are many other way's of makeing electricity that doenst require fossil fuels.
Jun 17 2008 10:09PM
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rusteezee
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raising gas prices is the most ridiculous thing ive ever heard. you're seriously taking the environment over cheap gas??!?!? wow.
Jun 17 2008 10:10PM
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Caveman.
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Yes but for the time being most are produced by fossil fuels.. maybe nuclear is the answer?
Jun 17 2008 10:12PM
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lloyd_christmas
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um, that's not really what i was talking about at all, not sure why you quoted me

Jun 17 2008 10:13PM
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shibby
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NO! Nuff fucking said.

/thread

P.S. I wish gas was still under 80 cents a liter, I'd be driving a nice fucking whip right now if it were.
Jun 17 2008 10:14PM
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Scharff
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solution is to drill in alaska
Jun 17 2008 11:00PM
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Caveman.
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agreed
Jun 17 2008 11:06PM
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