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16mm montage

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SteezyMcDizzle
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saw this..thought it was sweet:




Jun 13 2008 1:24AM
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eheath
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Would be cool the see a better quality version of that, 16mm is way sick.
Jun 13 2008 1:33AM
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ForestryIs8nice
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twas okay
Jun 13 2008 2:06AM
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Krush
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how do you even get 16mm onto a computer?
Jun 13 2008 2:14AM
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dave...
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i have a magical friend...let's call him "arriflex film scanner"
Jun 13 2008 2:36AM
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I would kill to shoot 16mm.
Jun 13 2008 1:33PM
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thejackal1177
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same
Jun 13 2008 1:42PM
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dave...
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i'm gonna be selling my 16 mm cam soon
Jun 13 2008 1:43PM
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naturally, it isn't a matter of finding a 16mm camera...
Jun 13 2008 1:44PM
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eastAR5
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or you can ghetto rig it like i do and film it right off the projector with a high end 3chip
Jun 13 2008 1:50PM
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bernard.saucier
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hm hmm
Jun 13 2008 2:32PM
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what? some people don't give a shit about res...
Jun 13 2008 2:39PM
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XtRemE11
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yup, i actually like the image it makes when you film the image from a projector, kinda like that old home video look. id rather watch super 8 footage over any same old HD footage any day. people care wayyy too much about having the highest resolution, sharpest, clearest image possible.
Jun 13 2008 4:22PM
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eastAR5
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ok i could also bring it to my dads developer and have them transpose it to mini dv and shipped to my front door in full quality.... but that takes time
Jun 13 2008 4:32PM
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bsmith01
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^and more money

I love 16mm tho, probably the best medium out there, much better than hd.  Kinda wish nimbus was filming 16mm but then I suppose the processing would take to long to be able to come out with one every 2 months while still skiing.
Jun 13 2008 5:28PM
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rusteezee
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shooting in 16mm seems like a huge waste when you can shoot in HD
Jun 13 2008 6:11PM
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Bentley@DOSMedia
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Its all about the look. People shooting in 16mm dont really care about hd and like it better.
For me it definitely depends on the mood you are trying to set. An HD look is going to set a different mood for something than a 16mm look. Just look at this edit and the mood.
Also everyone is going away from HD cuz MOST young people would rather see hd, and yeah they dont have to spend 150 grand just on film in one season.
Jun 13 2008 6:31PM
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richards
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lookin good
Jun 13 2008 8:37PM
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bsmith01
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I knew film was expensive but 150 Gs for one year, damn thats so many hvxs.  I still would prefer if some companies shot in 16mm but I do agree it depends on what mood they are trying to set, like I could never see poorboyz shooting in 16mm.  BTW he means everyone is going away from 16mm not hd if anyone didnt realize that.
Jun 13 2008 11:30PM
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how is it full quality if it's on miniDV? Wouldn't harddrive be the full quality option? It's impossible to get HD footage onto DV tape...
Jun 14 2008 4:20PM
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First of all, 16mm has about the same resolution as consumer HD cameras (HVX specifically). the HD cameras just stretch the pixels to make it 16:9 aspect ratio.

Another plus side to film is shooting tree skiing. There is nothing I hate more than filming in 6' of fresh snow and being stuck with a digital camera to baby so that it doesnt get wet. 16mm cameras are built like tanks. Plus film is much better at processing flat light because you have different film speeds to work with, and higher contrast. With digi, you have one image that you can slightly tweak, but in the end, you will end up stretching the color data just to get a good exposure/contrast balence, and even then, the image will either be grainy or flat. A good example of this is to compare JP's tree skiing shots in Ski Porn (16mm) vs. the tree skiing in Yeah Dude (HVX).

Also, the HVX cams seem to shoot their moderate slow motion at a higher shutter than the 16mm cams. This is one of the things that makes it look so "real". It almost looks "too real" for some people to the point where it looks almost fake. In some instances though, I like it. Picture This is a perfect example of this; I think they did an amazing job using their HVXs.

Unless it's a bluebird day out, it's pretty damn easy to tell when something is shot digitally. Personally, I think it looks like shit, but that's only because I like the film look. And like it was stated earlier, it's all about preference. Film vs. digi is like blonde vs. brunette. Most people like this whole digi-craze right now so since I'm the minority here, I think it's a good idea for all these companies to shoot their HVX's.
Jun 14 2008 4:33PM
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Jun 14 2008 4:35PM
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eastAR5
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well as full quality as you get for mini dv....and yes harddrive would be the best option
Jun 14 2008 4:44PM
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no_steeze
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we're gonna need a montage
montage
a sports training montage
Jun 14 2008 4:53PM
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SteezyMcDizzle
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anyone know what a good 16 mm camera goes for these days?
Jun 14 2008 5:54PM
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You can get a solid Arri 16 s/b setup with maybe a telephoto or a few primes and basic necessities for around $2,500 - $3,000 on ebay.
Jun 14 2008 6:18PM
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eastAR5
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ive never actually messed with regular 16.... just super 16mm
Jun 14 2008 6:30PM
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switchskier206604
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HEEELLLLLAAA MONEYY basically. wish it was higher quality export but it's sick either way. some good style in that good skiin
Jun 14 2008 6:36PM
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JamesR
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^classic. liked the vid
Jun 14 2008 6:47PM
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bsmith01
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what i ment was going back to shooting 16mm, i know they used to shoot it.
Jun 14 2008 7:57PM
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SteezyMcDizzle
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I think some Polish guy made this video, and he probably doesnt even know about newschoolers
Jun 14 2008 8:18PM
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SteezyMcDizzle
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i just watched the video again, and at 3:51-4:00 min I like that effect of the skier leaving the screen and then dropping out of it..it was probably an accident, but I like how it stalls on the mountains..cant really explain why but its a cool kinda trippy effect. maybe its meant to break our focus off of the skier for a moment and see where he is and how amazing that environment is.. would do you guys think?
Jun 14 2008 8:23PM
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JuliusJ
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i liked it a lot. i don't know much about 16mm but i like it when i've watched it. i also liked that guys style. just kinda clean and relaxed looking
Jun 14 2008 9:49PM
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Bentley@DOSMedia
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crews like mack dawg and standard would literally buy 120 gs worth of film to start off the year in october and then work from there. thanks for correcting that, haha.

There are some guys out there that have been around for a while and never ever shot in film. Good example is Berman. Hes never made a level one movie with film before.
Its all kinda just personal preference.

Landis is right. A decent 16mm set up is about the same price as a DVX now a days.
To bad a roll of film is basically the equivalent to never re using a P2 card and just buying a new one once one fills up.

Jun 14 2008 9:57PM
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dave...
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I'm assuming that you're calculating developing into that 120g's....film stock is expensive, but I wouldn't say it costs that much, a roll of 400 foot color which is one of the standard sizes to buy, is about 200$, and that gives you 13 mins of footage...now if you're buying in bulk, which I do with my film guy, I get my rolls of 50D for about 30$ for 400 feet...but if you are counting in developing, it will run you about 50$ per minute of footage filmed
Jun 15 2008 12:23PM
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