a few years ago, i saw a snowboard teaser which included double corks in and out of the backcountry, many gnarly rails and jibs that i deemed close to impossible for skiers, as well as a generally better tricks. however, with all the massive updates, the new atomic movie trailer, rage trailer, as well as pbp trailer, i felt that skiers have caught up to some degree-tanner's wall jib 900? nuts-cosco's double cork 1260 in the backcountry? off the hook! there are other things that have caught my eye but i think that skiers have kinda "caught up" to snowboarders.
Agree and Disagree. I agree with what Eric Pollard said, snowboarding in a lot of ways has hit its peak. Not completely. I think skiing still has things it will do in the future that are different. Snowboarding now is to a point where its about more creative and different jibs because the limits are getting maxed out. I don't think many NS guys and gals will agree that skiers are behind, because for the most part skiers go bigger and with the whole Nimbus Independent movement, theres a new realm of skiing to be explored.
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now skiing being stagnant gave birth to snowboarding.
are we still stagnant? partly. as much as we were 20 years ago? by no means.
the biggest step, is all you kids need to stop thinking along the same vein and get creative. stop trying to be the same person. stop supporting the pros that think progression is just 1 more 180, that much more tweak on your leading mute grab, or tapdancing 720 more degrees in various directions on rails.
i asked a kid what his signature trick was.
he told me it was a 630 off.
i asked him what set his 630 off apart from everyone elses.
i asked another friend the same question, i dont remember the answer, but it was some pretzel combo of some sort.
a asked him the same follow up.
he was like ummm nothing i guess.
see where i'm going?
now some of you people that have witnessed my shenanigens might just say, stop trying to make skiing ito rollerblading, fruitbooting is for fags. no, thats not what i want. if my grinds dont do it for you, fine. my agenda is to open peoples minds up to how one dimensional our trick base is now. do some presses, find more creative ways to get onto rails that dont involve rodeo 450s. dont approach your day as a checklist. dont throw a fs change back 2 out on the dub kink in your local rail jam. dont fucking throw a kangaroo flip with a japan grab to win a big air head to head against a cab shifty 7 with a double grab no one else has done before.
so you know what snowboarding has over us? more styles than you can count on your extremeties.
and if your response to this is rollerblading is gay, or weezy is the best rapper alive, you will further proove my point.
its all about taking your jibbing skills in the park and applying it to your all mtn excursions. Tree taps, jibbing bamboo poles to 180 out, butterin off catracks, hand plants off cattracks, buttering off walls on cattracks, stalling on rocks, hand drag 360's off natural drops.
The only thing i think snowboarding has on us is the ability to be creative with natural features on your average ski hill. The latter part of this season at steamboat, i spent most of my time riding with snowboarders who were doing all that shit and in part helped influence my skiing to where I'm not concerned about being tech in the air or on rails, rather I'm more concerned about how can i express my own personal style and essence on these natural features that nature or the resort has inadvertantly placed for our jibbing disposal.
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what are people in my situation supposed to do? jib a ski school kid? i got 150 feet of vert and a tow rope park to go with, and no money to leave.
you suggested one route you can take your skiing with, and people have been doing that for a couple seasons. funny you should mention hand drags though. thats an example of the big fad of the year. its sad when the sport as a whole can be so heavily influenced by one super cropped picture of pep hand dragging... something. yes it was sick, but that was the trick of the year hands down. nothing else reached out to the community that influenced it so hugely. there should have been like a dozen super bangers that should made you go, when can i learn that and make it my own. not i want to hand drag something right the fuck now then take it to 3, then 5, then 7, the do it switch, then do it rightside.
why do we need to be in competition with snowboarding? pretty sure we have learned a lot from them and they are starting to learn some things from us. it doesnt have to be a competition. it should be more of a partnership. i mean sure some snowboarding kids are fags but there are a lot of skiers that are fags as well. ski with a boarder and learn something new and try to teach them something new. go have fun on that white stuff that falls fromt he sky when it is cold.
Sorry i suck at communicating so if what i just said doesnt make any sense to you youre not alone.
You can't make people change, and you can't force them to create their own style.
It is naive to suggest that because anyone in an internet forum tells them to, anyone will change their riding style or what they enjoy doing.
Being creative is just one aspect of skiing. There will always be room for copying whatever everyone else or your favorite pro is doing, and there are many people that will always be in this mode. If that is what fun is for you in skiing, then please, carry on.
Having not done a whole lot of hand plants/drags before, I had quite a bit of fun doing them this year. Anyone is free to hate on what I did, they didn't look the prettiest, and they certainly weren't unique. But I had fun doing them all the same, which to me, is all that really matters in skiing.
Nothing good will come of this sort of "People need to wake up and get creative" debate. Just go ski, and forget about the silly shit.
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dude you sound pretentious. realize that skiing has grown to the point where we can have niches. there are a lot of boxes, and you're in one just as much as anyone else. why else do you think people can put you in a box so easily? because you're in the "no poles, roller style, line skis and copy andy parry box." if you really want to claim creativity, stop copying things you saw in rolling and think up something truly new.
or don't, i don't really care. all i'm saying is that you should stop claiming to be one of the few creative skiers when you are just as influenced, just as much in a (admittedly smaller) box as everyone else.
honestly i dont think skiing is quite there yet, plus there is alot more possibiliites on a snowboard, and people have been getting wayyyy creative. check out some trailers and snip bits from "thanks Brain" from think thank on youtube, you will see what im talking about
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and he changes For Jamaica Plain,
the conductor says skinhead I need a nickel,
skinhead punches him in the brain! oi!
gotta say the ceiling for skiing is much lower than boarding and a 1000 times lower than skateboarding for the sole fact that we have two planks and they are connected to our feet unlike a skateboard. But it will be very interesting to see the direction our sport goes in because its gonna be pretty hard to go bigger or spin faster than the top pros are right now
as long as people are having fun who who cares if their trick is not original. I ski to have fun and assume you do the same and trying to be creative may be fun more you and 630s off may be fun for somebody else.
man, all my words always get so damn misinterpreted. im not trying to claim, im not saying im better or more special than anyone else, im just putting a commentary out there... why does everyone always think im just claiming my shit. i pretty much suck at skiing ok? im not coordinated enough to ski with poles and have them not get in the way. i have a flailing shaolin monk steeze problem. im afraid of heights so i only hit small jumps. i am not good at skiing, at all, fuck, i ski in minnesota ok?
if i said all this controversial bullshit on a different account name i dont think it would generate this type of response. i cant be outspoken or voice a harsh opinion without someone jumping down my throat. to sum everything up, rollerblade grind or no rollerblade grinds is not the point, the point is snowboarders are more tech than us on rails and we should be pushing the envelope on what is done on them.
ps, one of the things im advocating the the developement of niches in skiing so i dont know what the first part of your rebuttle was all getting at....
I agree with mostly all your points. Once skiers get out of their 450's all 18 ways then they might consider your opinion, but until then they'll just shoot it down. Your ahead of them though, in thought progression anyway. you'll be the way skiing hopefully goes, maybe not too much rollerblade sliding, but enough to switch something up. Maybe once people actually start throwing presses they will realize what your talking about.
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alright i guess i must have "misinterpreted." it sounded like you were speaking from a pedestal telling folks to be creative. maybe i missed it.
but it does sound like we're saying relatively similar things. the difference is that you're telling people to look outside the box, while i'm saying that those alternative niches you're speaking of have already become boxes in themselves, and you're in one just as much as anyone else. i can't tell you how many people i've seen rocking around on hellbents no poles wearing sessions gear just buttering and pressing and such, or how many folks i've seen roller grinding with lines and no poles and all that jazz. it seems like we're not generating independent thought like you talk about, but more and more segregated boxes of closeminded style in and of themselves. not that i necessarily think it's a bad thing. but i was just trying to say that you should realize that as we get more and more niches, we get more segregated groups of people all pushing their own "cookie cutter" style relative to that group. so before you start telling folks to get creative, realize that your style is as much a product of your niche as anyone else's.
i think we're saying more or less the same thing. am i one of those no pole line kids doing rollerblade grinds? yeah. i suck at jumps. i can barely pretzel. i have no pow to ski. i freak out if i get to ski a park with a legit flat rail. i suppose at this point only my terrain and inexperience is holding me back.
i agree with asian allen. snowboarding is a bit ahead of skiing. i realized this when i was watching a snowboard movie with my friend the other day and i just realized, "shit, why can't skiers be this creative?" snowboarding has so many different styles and shit, and most park skiers are very similar. pretzels, spins, and whatnot. we need to branch out more, do new stuff. rollerblade grinds anyone?
at the beginning of this post, i really felt as though you were being a douche... but your last two posts have made me retract my previous feelings... i realize now that your just stuck in some 300 vert shit hole of a ski resort, but hopefully will one day move out west... (i grew up in jersey, skiing a 600 vert shithole [mt creek represent!!] and as soon as i could, i moved out to utah, dropped out of school, and have now managed to become a ski bum skiing as much as i possibly can.... now back to the actually post.... i feel like your opinion may be slightly skewed... you dont get to ski pow, huge jumps, slay cliffs; all of which i have been blessed with by moving here. I feel like us as skiers are pulling even with snowboarding (in a broader aspect then just rails and jibs) and will soon be surpassing them.. projects like hunting yeti and the massive are changing our sport for the good and for the long run i feel... im so stoked to be a skier in 10 years... i mean even with something as simple as introducing a rockered ski, which im assuming you havent had the fun to play with, but i had about 60 days on my ep pros this year and about 40 of them were in amazing powder... and i cant tell you how much more "progressive" i feel with those skis on, they really truly change the way i ski. i feel like our sport is headed in the right direction, but i feel that kids like you, that think on your mind-track, are the one who will change the sport for the better.. all im saying is move out west as soon as you can and take that creativity to the big mtn...
sorry for this ridiculous post... and for those of you wondering... no homo
I don't really see why the argument is to diverge from our normal skiing. I really don't see why we need to have any competition with snowboarding at all. And why should we need to make skiing into anything more progressive than its been so far? If you haven't noticed, the most outstanding progression that's been made is style. Compare a majority of the pros from early 2000's to some of the new up and comers like sammy, wallisch, schiller, and such. You'll see a huge difference. At this point theres no need to copy snowboarding and try and do tricks in playgrounds or do wallrides everywhere, because thats not setting us apart in any way at all. Everyone says we need to "think outside the box" but honestly, we aren't constricted in any way to a box. I respect all of you who do rollerblade grinds and such, but thats not thinking outside the "box." I'm pretty tired of everyone getting flustered because everyone is doing the same thing, but what the hell do you expect. Not everyone is going to be so liberal and approach skiing in an artsy sort of way. You ask anyone about their "signature tricks" and how they're different
than everyone else, but honestly, how can anyone's trick be different? If you were expecting a response that somehow entailed the rider had a trick that no one else has ever done in such a way, you're expecting way too much. I do agree that numerous tricks (kangflips and such) are very well played out, but hating on such people doing them is not the answer. If anything, the standard of skiing is slowly rising higher and higher, and I don't see any reason to change what we're doing.
thanks man. i dont think i would be able to do anything "creative" on the mountain though. thats not how my head works.
on the other hand though, i have no desire to ever move out west.
minnesota is my home. i want
to make skiing better for us here, so we dont have to resort to moving
elsewhere to get our fix. moving away doesnt solve anything for anyone
but yourself. it almost seems selfish. i wrote up a pretty lengthy packet for our hills board
of directors to improve our park. a local kid handed it out to all the
heads up there for me at a board meeting. they liked how stoked we
were on improvement. we're never gonna turn into the next colorado,
but we can get a little closer.
theres other people leading the charge in the big mountain and bc jib scenes. its not for me, and i would be a cocky douchenozzle if i thought i could bring a new element to it.
I completely agree with asian allen. The mainstream park rat idea seems to be about how many spins off and on rails people can do. I really like to see skiing when it is all creative and not normal. Sure, that's a personal opinion, but I really do think that is something holding skiing back. That is why I find watching snowboarders more appealing, except for skiing like Hunting Yeti or Believe or Idea, etc. If I really want to see something that makes me go "Holy shit that's extreme and so hard to do" I watch mountain biking. I really think that skiing on average will drift this way, but maybe not. I just personally like being creative with the mountain more than clone copied tricks in the park.