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nickmcnutt
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so i had these (new soft model, not older park model) mounted up with salomon sth 12 bindings. i ride technica boots. i am 165lbs and ski pretty aggressivly, and i felt i pushed myslef pretty hard on these this year with cliffs and switch landings and what not.

anyways, i love this ski and its still in great shape, but my main problem was with ejecting all season. i figured it was because the ski is so soft that it must just flex in a way so my binding doesnt make proper contcat and i come out, but after 3/4 of the season i realized that my then brand new boots had been raped of all its toe and heelpiece squareness, if hyou know what i mean. baisically what had happened is because the ski is so wide, when i would force a hard turn on choppy snow the ski would tilt side-to-side and gnaw away at my boots. i think the main problem though, is that i made a bad choice mixing a salomon binding with a technica boot on a ski that soft.  the wear and tear seemed to be only in 4 specific spots on each boot, right on the 4 corners of the toe and heel peices.

so my question for you, educated newschoolers, it for next season i am looking at new boots for one, most likely technica or dalbello, depending on what makes my foot happy, but also im looking at new bindings. im considering marker jesters, or i may use my girfriends old p18 race bindings. has anyone else had a problem similar to this? and does anyone have any advice as to which boot/binding combination has preferable contact as to avoid another pair of wrecked boots? i only figured marker because for one, pollard himself uses them if im not mistaken, and they look like they have a pretty good contact setup especially with a sister company's boot.

thanks to anyone with helpful info!
May 4 2008 2:56AM
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Love_Wins.
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Never heard of such...pics?
May 4 2008 5:14AM
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zackblain
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I wish I had a girlfriend with p18 race bindings.
May 4 2008 10:34AM
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MEGAZORD
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The forward pressure will change when the ski flexes.  The older 916s used to come with a plate that attached the toe and heel and kept the pressure consistent when the ski flexed.
May 4 2008 10:53AM
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uni-corn
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I think that the 912's had ALOT to do with that.
May 4 2008 11:27AM
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phishfood
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ur girlfriend must be a beast
May 4 2008 12:07PM
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RtC.
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I wouldn't use the P18s - although they are a fantastic binding, they have a real small drill pattern, more chance of rip outs. and they are a bitch to get in to when you have snow all over the place.

You shouldn't have had a problem crossbreeding binding and boot, there are industry standards to stop issues like this.  I would talk to both companies though, see what they have to say.

I would honestly recommends Jesters for a ski with a wide waist, real wide drill pattern and just a superior binding at the moment. So so so light.
May 4 2008 12:45PM
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LINErep_JB
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i had the same thing happen to me when i was riding rosi bindings with salomon boots. the binding wouldn't release so i just yanked on it and my heel piece came off. im getting some new full tilt boots for next year. i later found out that my pants were getting caught in the binding so it wasn't releasing. might want to check that??
May 4 2008 3:28PM
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Caveman.
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May 4 2008 3:38PM
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huge-go
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Salomon bindings seem to have this problem.  It seems when skis flex real deep with salomon bindings, they eject.  I think it has something to do with the heel, and it not being able to rebound as quick compared to other bindings.  I have salomon bindings on one pair of my skis, and I found I could kick the ski off my foot, on a din of 7.  I have to kick hard, but a binding should not do that  It won't have anything to do with the fact that the boots and bindings are different brands. 
May 4 2008 10:48PM
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*542*
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I have never seen or heard of a boot being torn up in an binding.  Tele yes, but not alpine.  I was having this problem with my boots where my toe is rounded off enough that I was getting inconsistent releases.  My boots were grinded down so much because I was waking on concrete so much, I did a lot of hitchiking this season.  I dont think it should matter which boot you use in the binding, the binding shouldnt tear up a boot like that.  I think that you should look at what else you put your boots through (concrete, etc.)  As far as bindings next year, just make sure that they are adjusted correctly, or tighter than corret, by a shop.  I had a friend with lab 14s on ep pros who was popping out way too much.  His din was at 11 and the forward pressure was correct.  Anyways his toe wings and toe height were loose, and I put the forward pressure a little bit tighter.  He was still able to pop out of them, but the prerealease problem was gone. 

So, buy new boots, and make sure that they are set up correctly to the bindings.
May 4 2008 11:47PM
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Atheyman
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Like said above man there shouldn't be any problems at all with mixing and matching brands on boots and bindings. If your boots are still salvageable you should go into a good shop and have the bindings looked at and adjusted. Make sure you tell them to test your binding at your preferred din even if you have to go through some extra paper work. They should be able to tell you what to do better than we can without having the equipment in our hands.
Aug 19 2008 10:54PM
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hemlockjibber8
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Mixing brands does not make a difference. Don't worry.

Over flexing the ski could definitely be a concern, but you can't really change that about the ski.

There is no way that your edges (i presume thats what you meant) cut up all four corners of your toe and heel pieces. It is impossible. What exactly do you mean your skis moving side to side wrecked your boots? That made no sense.

Were your toes and heels worn out on the bottom? That's most likely from walking. I believe on most Tecnica boots aside from the race boots, you can replace the toe and heel piece and bring them back to DIN. Then they should be fine.

If somehow, you wore off the top of the toe and heel pieces (???) you can actually bring them into a shop. They will grind it down even and rebuild it with epoxy. Don't neccesarily need to buy new boots.

Those are entry to mid level bindings. If you ski them hard, you will pop out. Regardless of anything. What was your DIN set at?
Aug 19 2008 11:14PM
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Franny
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18 din..oh snap!
Aug 19 2008 11:46PM
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freeskimccoy
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i have heard of this exact same thing,  my buddy rides hellbents with solly bindings and there is 2 tabs in the front and 2 in the back under the boot and when they break it puts irregular contact on your boots.  at least thats what happened to my buddy
Aug 20 2008 1:51AM
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DangerToes
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me and my friend both have dukes and they kind of bite bits off the toe piece on both my dalbellos and his scarpas but it hasnt made a functional difference in the performance. I think tecnicas and markers are made to go together though, and maybe the jesters dont have that problem, just giving what i know.
Aug 20 2008 4:02AM
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