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All Americans are drug users

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kepler.
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I can walk into my school on any given morning and see hundreds, yes hundreds, of young high school students drinking caffeinated beverages like it was water. What these people and the rest of America don’t realize is that they have all become drug users. It doesn’t just stop at caffeine fiends; it extends to everyone who thinks they are using prescription drugs safely. Safe prescription drugs, an oxymoron if I ever saw one.

 

These people go about their days so overly “medicated” with pills, soda, coffee, and sugar, that if they were to cut out these substances they would go through withdrawal. So why is it that these people can walk among society and blend in, yet when people discover I am a marijuana smoker, I am labeled a pariah and looked upon differently?

 

I smoke as a means of spiritual discovery, relaxation, and a way to alter my mood. I do I responsibly as most marijuana smokers do. Some give us a bad wrap (those who smoke to get fucked up and make stupid decisions) but most are people who have made the decision to smoke in life and wouldn’t change it. Why am I looked down on even though I can function the same if not better than most people in this nation?

 

Can one truly still say that in this day and age that people are still brainwashed by Nancy Reagan and William Randolph Hurst? How can a country that is so accepting of people having their own opinion still continues to feed bullshit to its denizens about the “dangers of cannabis”? If we as a whole are able to look past all the lies fed to us years ago about women being weaker and black Americans being less of a person and have two candidates of these categories prepared to lead the country, then we should be able to look past the lies and prejudices of marijuana.

 

What I am asking of anyone who reads this is to look past what you have been told. Think for yourself and decide what is right for you and judge no one other than that. Stand up for something even though you might not be right you, because you realize that everyone has a different set of values. For some tobacco and alcohol is perfectly acceptable, others it might be wrong. One might find marijuana and healthy foods grown from this earth naturally the only way to live, another can live on fast food. Get out of your mind set that your way of living is the only way to experience life and support others who follow a different path.

Apr 24 2008 12:00PM
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D^evils
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excellent point, now if people would just see it as the truth.

Apr 24 2008 12:05PM
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BRMN
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haha spiritual discovery. LIfes a bitch and then u die thats why i get high, cuz u never know when ur gonna go.
Apr 24 2008 12:32PM
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eastAR5
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the average parent's bathroom cabinet has enough substances to keep a child under the influence for weeks if not months
Apr 24 2008 12:41PM
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ATLskier
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seriously? Drinking coke and pot are completely different. People getting withdraw from pepsi and sugar and shit? not that bad. And the deal with prescription meds. People need that shit. If anyone told me I was being a drug abuser because if i stopped taking my migraine prevention medication i would be in withdrawl, i would prob punch right in the face. People need that medication to live their lives. You dont need pot.

with that being said, I dont smoke and I dont care that people smoke, but I think your first paragraph sucked and didn't help your point at all.
Apr 24 2008 1:26PM
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Mr.LemonPie
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People lived before migraine medicine, canabis(sp) has been used to heal since as early as Jesus Christ,  most likely earlier I just can't think of when...
Apr 24 2008 1:39PM
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samskisalot
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caffeine and sugar addiction are actually much more powerful than many people realize. I discovered this firsthand while on a trip to the Boundary Waters Canoe Area. There was another kid there who after a day became violently sick, and wasn't even able to function normally. when we were trying to figure out what was the matter with him, we asked him about his diet, as he had been vomiting, and apparently, this kid had a daily mountain dew for breakfast, and several more throughout the day. I never really thought caffeine and sugar could have such an effect on people, but i as i found out, it really does. It was really an interesting experience to witness.
Apr 24 2008 1:42PM
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lazyguy
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there is a big difference between what you mentioned Americans use on a daily basis and pot. Its called pot is illegal and the others are not. Laws are based on values of society. As values change laws change. Please take medicinal prescribed out of this argument. It has no place in it. People need that stuff in order to survive. Unless you are being presribed medicinal marijuana from a doctor you do not need it. Sure you could argue that pot makes your life better and that caffeine and alcohol also can have negative impacts on your life as well. Fair enough. But societal values dictate that pot is illegal and caffeine and alcohol are legal if you use it responsibly and meet the guidelines. You are also forgetting how society looks down on drunks (alcoholics, and those who drink wrecklessly and disturb others - please dont make me define this - you know what i mean) and people who drink and drive. That is because they are breaking the law. Society often looks down on those who do not comply with social norms or laws because they seem rebelious and deviant.

We all know there is good and bad in everyone but this is why there is a negative stereotype against pot smokers.
Apr 24 2008 1:49PM
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kepler.
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Thanks, I'm going to put it in 420 forum in a little bit. That should get more debate going.

But I have had the same experience with caffeine which let me come to the conclusion just how terrible it is. If I drink a coke I won't sleep the whole night and I can feel my heart race after an hour or so of ingestion. Prescription and otc drugs are the same for me. I can almost feel the bad things they are doing to my body. I'll only take a single tylenol if I have a really bad headache but I hate to do it.
Apr 24 2008 1:50PM
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rockymountainmilitia
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Wow. Are you fucking serious? Who cares pal. Just go hit your bong and be quiet. You fucking enlightened pot heads are ridiculous.
Apr 24 2008 2:04PM
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GhostfaceKillah
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did you know that pot was prescribed by doctors for a large percentage of illnesses back in the day?

i feel a lot more comfortable smoking weed than i do taking over-the-counter prescriptions and drugs that were chemically engineered in a lab
Apr 24 2008 2:24PM
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pmills
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you lost me, people  need caffeine to live their lives? 

you're argument went from drinking caffeine is different from pot to people need migraine medication. thats what we call incoherency.

Even if marijuana does not provide any medical benifit (whether it does or doesn't  is irrelevant to this argument) consumption of caffeine and consumption of THC is based on one's desire for an altered state of being. Some want an energy buzz, some might want to get high, is there really something significantly different between this alteration of mental states? One makes you 'energetic', the other makes you 'happy'  but really it's just same concept. You're going to have to show me that there is something significantly different between smoking a bowl and drinking a redbull.  


If necessity is your basis for legality, you've got a lot of explaining to do, our markets are filled with things we dont need.
Apr 24 2008 2:34PM
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ATLskier
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first off, read what i wrote. Yes, i could have written it more clearly and yes i have gotten 3 hours of sleep in the last 3 days due to an architecture project.
I never said people needed caffine.

I said that there is hardly any withdrawl from caffine, sugar. He is suggesting that people using prescription drugs are drug abusers because the medications cause withdrawl. He is putting precription drugs, caffine and sugar, on the same level as any illegal drug.

I didn't mean that people needed migraine medication. I wrote that poorly. But people do need other medications. antibiotics anyone? They've been saving people from dying for many years, but oh, wait, safe prescription drugs is an oxymoron. I guess we shouldnt have them.

you may want an altered state of mind when you drink a redbull or smoke a blunt, but the health effects from the two are very different. And many prescription medications dont alter your state of mind and are necessary for people to live and/or live happy lives. And I dont know about you, I dont get a buzz or energy buzz for red bull, it just helps me stay up after 3 days straight of designing stuff for architecture(and yes I dont need it to stay up. I didn't use any caffine on my third day when I ran out.) So you may use stuff for an altered state of mind, fine, but just because something causes an altered state of mind doesn't put it on the same playing field as marijuana. The health effects from both are very different.

I also said nothing about legality. I just meant some people need prescription meds to live, and suggesting that drinking a redbull and smoking a blunt is on the same playing field.



btw, i do think weed should be legalized. I just think the first argument is retarded.
Apr 24 2008 3:25PM
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skithebert
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those of you who drink a few cups of coffee/redbulls a day, try to give it up and see how it affects you.  i can promise you, you will go thru withdrawls.
Apr 24 2008 3:30PM
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dmc12380
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the reason you smoke is why weed is looked down upon by most people
Apr 24 2008 3:46PM
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tribefan226
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amen to that dude. im usually between 24 and 60 oz of dew per day. i cant live w/o the stuff. if by about 2 i havent had any the headaches will start
Apr 24 2008 4:03PM
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steezyjibber
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my dad knows william randolph hearst's son
he lives near us
Apr 24 2008 4:06PM
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kepler.
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Thank you for putting that. It seems like people don't even think about all the side affects of prescription drugs or caffeine. They just don't care because they abuse the hell out of it.

And thank you sweetness for your comment. Like you said it's people like him that make teachers at my school think less of me (even though I'm top 10  in my class of 400) and kids believe I'm just a stoner looking for a high.

I have people almost on a weekly basis talk to me about my smoking. They tell me how bad it is apparently. It's almost disgusting.

Apr 24 2008 4:07PM
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freeze_pooter
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sometimes i get so high. thats how i cope with life whenthings aint goin right. im frustrated.

brotha lynch!
Apr 24 2008 4:15PM
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Scolson
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haha why would there be debate over this in the 420 forum??

Debater1- weed i good and hypocritical politicians and parents are bad.  jea dank nugs etc. etc.

Debater2- x2 now i gotta go pack another bowl.  hey did you guys know i smoke.  im soo cool.
Apr 24 2008 4:59PM
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Scolson
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and in case anyone doesn't figure this out, im not bagging on people who smoke, im bagging on poeple who smoke then come online to brag about it, or the ones who think it makes them superior somehow.
Apr 24 2008 5:05PM
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bangarangmules
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i stay away from caffiene as a runner. and alocohol and illicit drugs. but i do however use my acne medicine. sorry if i am at fault
Apr 24 2008 5:08PM
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dman1260
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prescription medication and caffeine are a different beasts than marijuana.  Prescription medication is generally prescribed to people suffering from ailments or sickness which are currently or chronically affecting there lives.  Without these prescriptions they would be living a life which isn't as comfortable or in extreme cases not living at all.  Caffeine, while not used to help or save peoples life is different from marijuana and other illegal drugs in the fact it does not impair a persons motor and mental functions.  While someone may be addicted to caffeine, they will not perform worse on their job, risk injuring others by getting behind a wheel, or flunk out of college because of a lack of focus. 

Marijuana in most cases is purely a recreational drug which adds no value other than a good time.  If marijuana is used for medical purposes thats fine, but in nearly all cases its not.  Now, i am for the legalization of marijuana, but I think that by arguing that people are addicted to other so therefor marijuana should be ok is flawed in nature.  As your mommy said, two wrongs don't make a right. 
Apr 24 2008 5:15PM
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*freeskierpj*
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First off there are withdrawls from caffine. I need it to get through the day and if I don´t have it I´m having a bad day and I´m really cranky and tired and basically an asshole. Yes I´m addicted but that´s not the point. Weed is on exactly the same level as caffine and technically prescription drugs because it isn´t a necessity...What do you think people did before we had scientist capable of producing medicine to help sustain life? They died and the human race went on. That makes prescription drugs not a necessity which is why I said technically because yes they are a necessity to the single person but to the human race they are trivial. So basically weed isn´t needed but to one single person it makes a difference, caffine and prescription drugs are the same way. And if it was you that said something about health effects of weed then I´m not sure if you know that prescription drugs are bad aswell along with caffine...Adderall (ADD medication) is prescribed for many people and helps a lot of them but it also has the chance to add a lot of problems which result in the need for them to take more meds just to keep them from depression among other things. Caffine/sugar can cause diabetes which puts you on other meds...Weed can cause lung damage from the smoke among other things but really if you think about it none of these things are needed. Think of third world countries which have none of these things and live on simply the necessary food, shelter, and clothing if that and then say that they are on a completely different levels...

Wow after reading that it seems I went on a tangent talking about necessity rather than whether they are drugs or not but I took too much time to think about it and type it out to delete it but I still don´t think that they are different levels in most any situtaion besides the single being needing something or wanting something so take it how you wish and smoke if you chose to and if you don´t then leave those who chose to alone...
Apr 24 2008 5:39PM
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dman1260
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how does necessity dictate whether or not these substances are on the same level?  The fact that something isn't a necessity doesn't lower its value.  Yes, we could let people die or be in pain but we would be neglecting the value of every humans life in doing so.  The bottom line is there are many more factors in determining somethings worth than whether or not it is an absolute necessity.  If we were to determine worth based purely on necessity, the world would be a very strange place.
Apr 24 2008 5:53PM
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*freeskierpj*
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If you were to read the last paragraph I said that I realized I went on a complete tangent and that it doesn´t dictate whether they are on the same level but I felt like putting my thoughts out there cause they were already written and I didn´t feel like erasing what I spent 10 minutes-ish putting together...
Apr 24 2008 5:56PM
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dman1260
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i understand, it just seems like that has been an underlying theme and I wanted point out how I felt about the people beliefs that necessity dictates the level of a substance. 
Apr 24 2008 6:01PM
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kepler.
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My aplologies, I misspoke using the word "debate" I should have used discuss. And believe it or not not everyone in the 420 forums have the same values as each other. So different opinions are prevalent in that cult.
Apr 24 2008 6:02PM
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slashquatch
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yea man i completely agree and not just coffee but look how many smarmy bastards just walk around with thier cigarettes and think that they are doing nothing wrong to themsevles and are not addicted because its accepted in society
Apr 24 2008 6:14PM
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pmills
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i'm not sure you're point is true though...

how did you come to the conclusion that people have a right to die free of pain?   It just seems like if something is deemed as a basic right, it is done so necesarily. So we do base our values of things on necessity, you can argue 'what is necessity' , how else would you create a values system?
Apr 24 2008 6:40PM
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dman1260
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i guess the way i was looking at it is by someone saying that something isn't a necessity he is kind of creating a slippery slope which allows him to discredit or put things on the same level despite obvious differences because in actuality little to nothing is essential in human survival. 
Apr 24 2008 7:14PM
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Journey
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"So why is it that these people can walk among society and blend in, yet when people discover I am a marijuana smoker, I am labeled a pariah and looked upon differently?"

Newsflash: taking advil and drinking coffee is legal and normal for almost everybody. being a pot head is not....how can you complain about being looked upon differently???


Apr 24 2008 7:22PM
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Caveman.
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I have to disagree, most people use prescription drugs as a crutch, or to heal ailments that cannabis could
Apr 24 2008 7:26PM
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TheQuailman
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Don't blame other people for eating sugar and caffiene in order to feel less guilty about smoking pot.

Not only is inhaling smoke bad for you, but the drug changes people.  You don't notice it probably but people that smoke change; they start caring less and less about school and relationships.  They can't have a good night without drinking or getting high.  They'd rather sit on their couch and smoke than go out with friends.

^And yes, this is ofcourse not everyone (only chronic users), but I can garuantee you all know people like this.

I don't care what other people do, but don't shift blame on America, too feel less guilty about what you do.

There are plenty of other ways to have fun in life.
Apr 24 2008 7:27PM
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pmills
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just seperate survival and need, you're allowed to do that. The slippery slope isn't all that slippery, you may run into confrontations along the path, but you have footholds for arguments with logic, and can continue to trudge along.

Apr 24 2008 7:31PM
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MotherFuckaJones
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This is sooo true. I don't care if anyone else believes it or not, but i've seen it happen to my uncle, and my brother. My uncle quit awhile back, so he actually cares about things. My brother on the other hand dropped out of school, and does nothing productive anymore.
Could just be coincidence, I don't know. But I believe what I believe, and people who smoke believe what they believe.
Apr 24 2008 7:39PM
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skijunkiedtm
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this from a D.A.R.E. pamphlet?
Apr 24 2008 7:41PM
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Scolson
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I was just basing it off of what I see waaay too much in this one
Apr 24 2008 7:47PM
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pmills
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because the premise on which advil and drinking coffee's legaility are predicated on also applies to marijuana, yet marijuana remains illigal. 
Apr 24 2008 7:58PM
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dman1260
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who are you to say who is allowed to make arguments and in what fashion?  I know you are trying to point out fallacies and what not but I think you are acting a little pretentious in doing so.  You are making judgments in this statement just as I was in my prior statement. 
Apr 24 2008 8:05PM
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Caveman.
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We could argue for years about what drugs are OK and what aren't. Personally I think drinking, cigarettes, and many prescription drugs destroy you way worse than weed. But the real question I have and that everyone should be shouting injustice about is why is what me or someone does to our bodies the responsibility of someone else. Americans need to grow up and make their own decisions, not legislate their views on the masses. /RANT
Apr 24 2008 8:14PM
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hank_hill
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i think many people who dont smoke and label us different dont realize that thats not all we do. we dont just go home and get high all the time.
Apr 24 2008 8:20PM
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skijunkiedtm
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but thats what dare says you do...
Apr 24 2008 8:22PM
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Hungry-Sloth
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The definition of a "drug" is a chemical that is intentionally applied that alters your state, be it mental or physical.

Technically, since our bodies run on all sorts of natural chemicals that maintain our internal/external conditions, it is impossible to be drug free. Even for the non-sentient beings like plants.


By your definition, does this mean that a kid eating a cucumber is a drug addict eating a drug addict?
Apr 24 2008 8:37PM
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pmills
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i havent said anyone can't make an argument and the only fashion you have to adhere to when making an argument is that you stick to logic (that just makes everything easeir)

god forbid we make judgmets, i thought when someone offers up their oppinion it opens the floor for talking about what you say. You say something, we listen, then someone says no wait that dosnt make sense you mean 'x', you listen, you think, you say either ya you're right i made a mistake, or no you missed a point of mine, i meant 'y' not 'x' and conversation continues.

i'm not acting pretentious, i just pointed out how one thing you said didn't make sense, asked you for clarification, then when you explained what you were doing i saw the mistake you made and let you know what i saw.  you can either say oh right, makes sense survival and need aren't the same thing or you say wait a second i do think need and survival are the same thing, here is why they are the same thing.


it's never a personal attack, so don't take it as one, it's just how we talk about things



Apr 24 2008 9:54PM
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user098123
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Haha you guys are so ignorant.
Apr 24 2008 10:08PM
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pmills
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stop a second.

a cucumber isn't a drug.

a cucumber isn't a drug addict.


a drug is a substance that when consumed/injected/inhaled alters your mind state, it does this by initiating a release of neurotransmiters, blocking the transfer of neurotransmiters or blocking the re-uptake of neurotransmiters.

the chemicals them selves are not drugs


a cucumber isn't a drug, maybe you're refering to a euupohria you get from eating or something (i really don't know what you're talking about). But well ya sure eating changes your mind state, but that comes from eating anything, not eating a cucumber in specific. 

and a cucumber can't be a drug addict, because an addiction is a habit, a behavior, a cucumber dosn't exhibit 'behaviors' at least in the psychological manner 

Apr 24 2008 10:10PM
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Scolson
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oooh
Apr 24 2008 10:10PM
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bangarangmules
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haha that made me chuckle
Apr 24 2008 10:26PM
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pmills
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because you'd get stoned and forget about god

haven't you read the constitution, rule number 4 thou shalt be a christian and honor thine God by not smoking the reefer.
Apr 24 2008 10:32PM
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jsaya_SagStraps
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but think: relatively little people die of weed a year, and many die because of alcohol and cigarettes, which are more socially acceptable. what???
Apr 24 2008 10:39PM
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