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Marker still sucks - Broken Duke 2nd run

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=FLO=
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Second run on the new (suposedly bomber) Marker Duke, the middle screw, which is right under the boot, pulled out and the plastic snapped in half.  I did a little 180 to pow, felt a pop, looked down and i was in freeheel touring mode. 

I feel that this could happen to others, especially if hucking.  If a ski flexes reverse camber, the binding will naturally pull away from the ski.  There is a plate on the Duke that connects the toe and heel for touring, there is ONE screw in the middle that holds the lever down to switch from locked to free.  One fucking screw that keeps the whole thing locked.  If this screw pulls out, there is nothing that keeps it from moving, and snapping in half in my case.  So basically, fuck you Marker, your bindings still suck.

Dec 17 2007 12:18PM
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waynewong
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Oh BOY,

Another Marker sucks thread...how original and uninformed

So your touring binding broke while jumping and landing switch...AND??

To top it all off, all these other uninformed "skiers" are hopping on the "oh the suck" band wagon...

Why is it that nearly EVERY top world cup speed event racer uses marker bindings? Why is it that most big name big mountain killers use marker bindings?

Must be that they suck huh?

My personal experience - the past fifteen of my nearly 30 years of on snow experience have been spent skiing about 100 days a year ON MARKERS - although I go through several pairs of skis a year, my bindings typically last two seasons or MORE and only get cycled out because the reps kick down some new shiny ones when mine get too beat up.

mY ADVICE -

Dec 18 2007 11:14PM
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waynewong
Posts: 1359 - Karma: 23
iF YOU ARE GOING TO JUMP YOUR SHIT IS GOING TO BREAK

Dec 18 2007 11:15PM
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THEDICKBUTCHER
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haha 2 bad i loove my marker bindings :D
Dec 18 2007 11:19PM
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skifofun
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Damn dude that sux big time.  I held off on those and i think its good i did contact marker though maybe thell give you some new ones.  They are designed for that stuff after all I heard it straigt from the reps mouth "yea the Dukes were designed to be a downhill binding that toured so they should take all the abuse a normal alpine binding does."
Dec 18 2007 11:35PM
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AKFREERIDE
Posts: 1718 - Karma: 11
listen to this guys, seriously.

dude, it sucks about your binding. really. and in all reality, maybe it should have been designed better, with a metal piece there instead, but to take it out on marker is just silly.

i skied on a frieds the other day, both touring and in the downhill mode, and loved em. if you have ever skied the Freerides or the Silvrettas, youd be glad that people now have a lower laying touring binding that really does stand up to abuse.

switch landings is something different though. its a bomb-proof binding. really, i trust them in downhill mode just as much as my 914s. solid. but going switch...thats not what its meant for. for there designed intent, they kill it. if you want to push them in different directions, go for it, thats how skiers progress.

on the topic of progression, marker really has progressed the touring line this year. with a growing number of side-country skiers, no one has really catered to their needs. marker did, and they did a good job at it. a solid resort binding for freeriders and front-country skiers. maybe you needed trekkers instead of these, i dunno.
Dec 18 2007 11:42PM
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powder_weasel
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Just wondering what skis you had the dukes on?
Dec 19 2007 12:53AM
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Casey
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looks like a bad mount if the screw came out after two runs, no wonder your shit broke.

Dec 19 2007 1:41AM
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Tross
Posts: 951 - Karma: 117
I'm definitely not the hardest skier out there. I've blown through tree pair of Marker bindings and suffered a nasty knee injury cause the last pair I had didn't release when it should. I'm not about dogging companies or products, but I will never ride a pair of Marker bindings. I was hopeful about these dukes. This is a major bummer. They used to make such great bindings. I was riding the 12 DIN bindings at about 7. Just to clear that up. I got turned on to the Look P15 and haven't looked back. Soooo solid on my feet and never pre-release - only when they should.
Dec 19 2007 2:26AM
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hemlockjibber8
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I would not say that most big name big mountain killers use marker bindings. try salomon 916s or p18s. hell even seth wont touch markers, he will only use 916s.

I'm not saying that this kid is right in bashing the duke for misusing it, but to say that most big mountain skiers use marker is a crock of shit. and there is a reason why they dont
Dec 19 2007 2:33AM
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Static
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touring bindings? I thought everyone had snowmobiles.
Dec 19 2007 2:35AM
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Aenigma
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You can access a lot more terrain on skis than you can on a sled.  Not to mention they don't cost thousands of dollars and break down every month.
Dec 19 2007 10:02AM
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iggyskier
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hahah or everyday.

This is a bit disappointing, but some breakage was to be expected.  Most people seem to be enjoying them a lot.

Seems like switch landings is a bad idea and there is room for improvement, but still a pretty solid binding from marker.

Now if someone who just make a touring version of the s916 I would be set.
Dec 19 2007 10:12AM
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slashquatch
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my jesters have been fine so far. i think the jesters are good this year
Dec 19 2007 11:34AM
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=FLO=
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I am getting pretty sick of everyone saying it is'nt meant to be landed switch on - IT WAS AN 8 FOOT AIR - and it broke.  Markers whole marketing strategy is that the Duke is a bomber freeride binding that can handle anything.  At SIA the rep was selling everyone on the fact that the heel and toe are at even heights for riding switch.  The fact is it has too much plastic, and we all know when plastic gets cold, it breaks. 

Dec 19 2007 11:36AM
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Elijah.
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Nothing against Marker, all I was trying to state in my previous posts is that my looks on my old old sticks have been through hell (130 days+, a lot of park and more switch than not) and I have yet to find one thing wrong with them.
Dec 19 2007 11:40AM
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FrostyBro
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i sold a pair of these to a kid last week and he brought them back to the shop yesterday with a similar break: the plastic plate that the upper part locks into cracked longitudinally through the screw holes and then of course the metal strip that connects the binding to the lever tore.  so yeah marker should have make those plates out of METAL not cheap plastic. -and this guy was no hard hitter...   but the rest of the binding looks good =go with the jesters until they make a better plate
Feb 1 2008 12:10PM
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Benhamine
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you just said that salomon sucks...SO why would you put a sth16 on your ski??

some people on this site confuse me
Feb 1 2008 3:13PM
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lepp0012
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So the Jesters seem to be holding up?
Feb 1 2008 5:21PM
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powderdrunkie
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i've skied on my markers for 2 year now and i love em. never had a problem. even with the pair before that. marker is my friend
Feb 1 2008 5:23PM
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Aenigma
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Start reading five words into the post you quoted, then come back.


I'm just going to reiterate what everyone including myself has already said--somehow it looks like this is still necessary.  Check out the heel mechanism on a touring binding, which you do every time you go into the backcountry, and you'll see that it's a really terrible idea to try landing switch on them.  It's a bar held to the ski by a dinky little switch, which allows the binding to really twist around when you torque on it wrong.  It doesn't take any sort of crazy physics to figure this out, just think for about two seconds before you waste $400 again.  Marker has been having problems with one screw on the toe causing problems, but you have to keep in mind that this is the first year they've been doing AT bindings so they were bound to have at least one issue.

Conclusion:  Don't do stupid shit and make threads blaming other people for it.   
Feb 1 2008 6:39PM
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Treestman
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one anecdote is not evidence that marker sucks , im things like this have happened on rossi/looks, or salomons
Feb 1 2008 6:42PM
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=FLO=
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Update:  They sent me another one way back when i made this thread, and i have hammered them hard, hucked fronts off cliffs, some 7's, and YES LANDED SWITCH, with no problems.  We will see if they will make it the rest of the season
Feb 1 2008 6:44PM
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Benhamine
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I think you should read what i wrote, Because it said unless its the 916. Which last time i checked is not the sth16
Feb 1 2008 11:40PM
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Caveman.
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thats good to hear, i got a pair 2 weeks ago and haven't had a chance to take them touring but i have skied on them hard for a day at the resort. once the snow settles a little i will test them for what theyre made for in the backcountry
Feb 1 2008 11:48PM
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Love_Wins.
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Brakes are completely off topic...all brakes break, marker or otherwise.
Feb 2 2008 4:38AM
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rgff
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I have never rocked markers because I've heard such bad things about them... All my friends have broken them really easily, and they always release at really ridiculous times
Feb 2 2008 3:18PM
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