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Backflips Banned!

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[~_~]
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This year, my beloved home resort, Alyeska, was bought out by a new owner. He apparently owns another ski resort in Utah, but I don't know which one.

Anyway, yesterday we were doing backflip trains and having fun, and then a ski patrol comes and almost pulls our passes for doing inverts. My 12 year old friend came incredibly close to landing his first backflip, and the ski patrol bitched him out! You can interrupt a child's first time riding a bike, but their first backflip? Totally bogus...


Anyway, they said they HAD to ban inverts due to legal shit...does anybody know more about this?
Dec 2 2007 10:46PM
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jason...
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wow thats gaper, just do it when ski patrols not around i guess
Dec 2 2007 10:47PM
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iFlip
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That's common practice, at least at the mountains I ski at. There are signs posted that say "No Inverted Arials." Basically no one listens to them, but sometimes people get in trouble. I can understand the mountains doing it. With inverted stuff, the possibility of death or serious injury is much more likely than when just spinning.
Dec 2 2007 10:48PM
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mtbakerteacher
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That's actually pretty common in parks. I know of a lot of parks that ban inverts because they are too risky. It's similar to how a lot of swimming pools ban gainers and backflips.
Dec 2 2007 10:49PM
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EL_FINRE
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gay as aids
Dec 2 2007 10:50PM
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tjski
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ya my home mountain says "inverted arials not recomended" but it use to say "no inverted arials allowed" but even though the passes now say "inverted arilas not recomended" they still threaten to pull your pass if you do them, its bullshit..
Dec 2 2007 10:50PM
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skinnylove
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A small mountain can't afford to let people do it because if they ever got sued for someone breaking their neck, it could put them out of business.
Dec 2 2007 10:50PM
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DJSTEVEINNIAMIXX
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my hills the same thing. thats why you do them where they wont find you.
Dec 2 2007 10:52PM
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garrett.
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fucking varsity
Dec 2 2007 10:52PM
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Tinga
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my small hill used to be no inverts then they changed it to inverts not recommended. everyone used to do them anyway. we had our friends on the ski patrol who were cool with them and then there were the ones that would clip your ticket for jumping off the ground
Dec 2 2007 10:57PM
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shrEddie
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they are illegal at my hill too.  i want to learn them this year anyway
Dec 2 2007 11:02PM
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ConroyAK
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i was stoked about the new owner when he made opening days passes valid another time but that is pretty bogus. 
Dec 2 2007 11:09PM
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Caveman.
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my home mountain (showdown montana) used to say inverted aerials not allowed on our season passed but my friends and i would always scratch out the not so they would read inverted aerials allowed
Dec 2 2007 11:16PM
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562056961108
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and where does this legal precedent come from?

maybe RCR knows the answer to that...
Dec 2 2007 11:18PM
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RudyGarmisch
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Exactly, lots of resorts just dont want the extra risk. They look better off BC booters anyways.
Dec 2 2007 11:24PM
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Rippy087
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I'm pretty sure your not supposed to do inverted aerials in vail either, but people do them all the time still
Dec 2 2007 11:25PM
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Peach.
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yep same here and when i asked why thats exactly what he told me
Dec 2 2007 11:27PM
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KRAMPUSNTROLLZ
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dude my resort never lets you do backflips but that aint stoppin no one well i wouldn't do a backflip train.
Dec 2 2007 11:39PM
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JesseWest
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cant do backflips here. we just tell em it was an accident.
Dec 2 2007 11:45PM
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TTsummit
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Check out these articles, particularly for Colorado skiers:

    http://www.vailtrail.com/article/20030228/NEWS/302280363
    Near the bottom talks about inverted aerials.

    http://www.dora.state.co.us/Tramway/SkiSafetyAct.pdf
    This is the Colorado Ski Safety Act. Look especially at 34-44-109, 34-44-110, and interesting enough, the limitation of liability ("tort reform") section in 34-44-113.

From what I have learned and studied in my legal education, ski resorts are near untouchable (of course there are always exceptions). You assume the risk, but that does not mean they cannot put warnings up or limit activity on their property. Just as in warning signs talking about "avalanche danger", "non-patrolled area," etc. All this terrain is within their property, but they still have the right to limit it. They want us to have fun, but you got to remember the idiots out there that cause us to have our "rights" limited. It only takes one to screw it over for all of us. As y'all would call it, the gapers out there ruin it for us.
Dec 3 2007 12:41AM
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Alex_G
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^^And Kenny Salvini.
Dec 3 2007 12:45AM
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TTsummit
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Hate to add another link, but this article popped up when I searched to see who Kenny Salvini was. Good article, especially the part where the "Dark Territory" skiers talk about assuming the liability and not suing b/c you screwed up when all the conditions and engineering was perfect.

http://www.denverpost.com/skiing/ci_5682314
Dec 3 2007 12:58AM
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FUUUCK
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as stated above its pretty common to ban inverts, also a lot of gapers want to be cool and try back flips when they have no experience or training.
Dec 3 2007 1:01AM
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Rippy087
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completely off topic, but the rail in that article is insane
Dec 3 2007 1:03AM
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-Kieran-
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have they always been like that or did they make this gay rule after that one dip shit broke his neck 
Dec 3 2007 1:28AM
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Rippy087
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after this one guy broke his neck
Dec 3 2007 1:32AM
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[~_~]
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Ok, but what I don't understand is how they let racers (who have no air sense) fly off icy knolls going 60 mph, but when some kids are doing backflips like 10 feet off the ground, and NOT crashing, they flip shit.

Yes, I'm going to go backcountry more this year, but until the BC spots are good, I need to do some flips dammit!
Dec 3 2007 1:33AM
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mski
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Yah its super lame...mostly so gapers dont Become awestruck at such a phenomenon and clogg up the park with traffic.
Dec 3 2007 1:36AM
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Rippy087
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so that's why
Dec 3 2007 1:40AM
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[~_~]
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what is this park buisness you all speak of...there is no park right now. We're doing them off natural wind lips into soft snow, so its minimal risk.
Dec 3 2007 1:42AM
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Kungris
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^Nobody's going to get hurt that way...

I wish people could just dig the gravel out of their colon.
Dec 3 2007 1:52AM
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kristie
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Just say you are trying to learn how to do an iron cross helicopter, but you must have set your rotation the wrong way.
Dec 3 2007 2:05AM
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Tolz
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they're banned at my hill; anything straight back or straight forward is a no go...

however, you're allowed to do inverts if you're spinning (corked anything, etc, etc...)

makes sense, huh?
Dec 3 2007 2:06AM
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Rajna
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My hill is the same way...no inverts and ski patrol will give you a warning first  time and take your pass the second.

just wait till they see corked spins, last year we had a 30 minute debate that corks are not inverted and ski patrol has no right to take your pass with a patrol guy.
Dec 3 2007 8:07AM
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freestyleskiin
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the patrol at my hill wont say anything but if you r in a contest and do anything that looks inverted ur gone.  They tell us it has something to do with laws in NY
Dec 3 2007 8:12AM
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Treestman
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doesnt make sense.. inst a cork harder than a backflip?
Dec 3 2007 8:44AM
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zylstra
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i'd say
Dec 3 2007 9:02AM
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constpapa
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At Tremblant it's not a rule, it's a suggestion: "We do not recommend inverted aerials"
Dec 3 2007 9:24AM
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skiP.E.I.
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I know at Brookvale PEI and Wentworth NS pretty much the first thing it says on the park signs is "inverted aerial maneouvres prohibited" some snowboarder at Brookvale did a misty 3, landed it perfectly and teh ski patrol told him to go to the main office. The kid's like "why? do they want to sponsor me?"

Dec 3 2007 9:42AM
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ride-rider
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stevens pass says 'no inverted ariels,' but people do them anyway its just so they cant get sued if someone breaks their neck.
Dec 3 2007 10:00AM
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TTsummit
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The article is meant to give an insight into the legal ramifications that can arise against a ski resort. Colorado has taken a active step in protecting its ski resorts versus many other states. We can all complain about how its stupid, but look at it from their point of view. Who wants to fork up a few million $ b/c of some idiot. LOL, other people could write their state legislatures to move for limiting the liability of ski resorts. Of course there are pros and cons to that.
Dec 3 2007 10:07AM
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jhackbeez
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my home hill in wisconsin was like that, there insurance wouldnt cover it, so they banned any inverts.  it sucked.
Dec 3 2007 10:25AM
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skiminnesota
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not allowed at my home hill..... but i cant do them anyway
Dec 3 2007 10:31AM
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dave44
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not really, cause a cork isn't inverted. but i get what your saying.


Dec 3 2007 11:17AM
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leone
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better start working on you dinner rolls
Dec 3 2007 11:40AM
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I-Ski-AK
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pretty much sums it up for me. i dislike the new rules on our hill this year...i got bitched at on saturday for skiing switch through the line...(no one in line) last run of the day
Dec 3 2007 11:42AM
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joly.sp
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That is so gay its not even funny. All of the passes have tthose "ski at your OWN risk" things right? If so then you should be able to try flips and if you do hurt yourself its only your fault. What I'm saying is that you should be free to do it but you take the risk.
Dec 3 2007 12:04PM
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miroz
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that sucks dude, just keep doing it and when the ski patrol comes ski away real fast, then keep doing it and eventually they'll give in...or not, i don't know, i kinda just made that up
Dec 3 2007 12:13PM
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Shorton
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i wanna learn them this year, cant wait, and as far as i know anything goes in europe so it'll be awsome, i say you just do them anyway, just watch out for ski patrol
Dec 3 2007 12:24PM
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Gharf
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come to france. you can do anything oyu want here.
the ski patrol is not a slope police. they are just here to help you out, not to rule.
Dec 3 2007 12:39PM
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Anti-Hero
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at my mountain inverted aerials are just "not reccomended," it sucks how much legal action bullshit has taken place that everyone needs to protect their asses against dumb assholes going out and wrecking themself and sueing, when they should have no case at all. its just like the rcr bullshit
Dec 3 2007 12:44PM
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